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Title: SRP back?
Post by: Gonztah on 04-12-2013
Sooo...
Quote
11:26 - ReichCaptain: Yes
11:26 - Gonztah: and how fast would it be up
11:26 - ReichCaptain: practically instant
11:26 - ReichCaptain: same script as before
11:26 - ReichCaptain: same content

How many would be interested playing on the server if SRP was to be brought back? All we basically need are players interested in playing on the server, everything else is practically ready. (According to Silver anyway)

So if we get enough players interested it'll be put back up, just post here if you're interested or have something to say about it.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: lolKieck on 04-12-2013
Quote
11:26 - ReichCaptain: Yes
11:26 - Gonztah: and how fast would it be up
11:26 - ReichCaptain: practically instant
11:26 - ReichCaptain: same script as before
11:26 - ReichCaptain: same content
Honestly, it would be better to work on something for a good while and release it in a good shape instead of releasing something bad quickly.
And please, no same script as before.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Gonztah on 04-12-2013
The only thing I didn't like in the script was the hunger and thirst shit. Take those away and it's decent I suppose. (Apart from the ammo not saving.)
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: INA7HAN on 04-12-2013
I like SRP and all that loved it when I first joined but the recent script wasn't finished or what ever and so I left so if it's like it used to be and working and all that I'll rejoin but if it's just going to be the same then there's no point me redownloading all the content and playing again :(
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Picto Wolf on 04-12-2013
I think SRP has dragged on and done well in the past. But after each retry it seems to end up the same way. What would be different this time for it not to go down that road?
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: nKe on 04-12-2013
I would play because its srp for gods sake.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Dark Scar on 04-12-2013
I'd like to see SRP again
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Gonztah on 04-12-2013
I think SRP has dragged on and done well in the past. But after each retry it seems to end up the same way. What would be different this time for it not to go down that road?

I suppose every server dies at some point. But there are some things that seem to be quite important to get SRP going well again. We'd need interested admins who care about the server, we need them from different timezones. (US and Europe that is) And we'd need some fresh players, I'd say there's quite a few people interested in Stalker RP but who don't want to get on TnB out there. To keep them on the server we need the admin team to be active, not an easy thing to do I admit. But if we can kick it off well it should last.

Also someone to "lead" the SRP stuff, make all the decisions about the canon and so on, preferably either a single person or a small team(2-4 people). Too many members and it'll be a mess, decisions would take ages etc.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: lolKieck on 04-12-2013
SRP will need much more love given to it if we're supposed to get all the people who don't want to play on TnB coming to HGN.
And no Goose on the admin team. Never again.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: INA7HAN on 04-12-2013
Nathan for Admin 2k13
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Silver Knight on 04-12-2013
I think SRP has dragged on and done well in the past. But after each retry it seems to end up the same way. What would be different this time for it not to go down that road?

It took SRP 5 years before it was truely let go, with only 1 or two hiccups along the way, including Garry's shit updates. That's an amazing length of time, especially for a gmod server (See average life expectancy of a gmod server)

TnB only exists because it's a way for Dave and friends to make money.
I suppose every server dies at some point. But there are some things that seem to be quite important to get SRP going well again. We'd need interested admins who care about the server, we need them from different timezones. (US and Europe that is) And we'd need some fresh players, I'd say there's quite a few people interested in Stalker RP but who don't want to get on TnB out there. To keep them on the server we need the admin team to be active, not an easy thing to do I admit. But if we can kick it off well it should last.

Also someone to "lead" the SRP stuff, make all the decisions about the canon and so on, preferably either a single person or a small team(2-4 people). Too many members and it'll be a mess, decisions would take ages etc.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Lucky Pig on 04-12-2013
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE GONZTAH?!
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Iam333 on 04-12-2013
I'd play again if it had anything but that beta stage script. Unless it got massive overhaul / update.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: nKe on 04-12-2013
Dont want to derail the thread but I seriously think that every single vision-based debuff should be removed/have the effect removed from the script. That's basically what was the most annoying part in the script.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Gonztah on 04-12-2013
Dont want to derail the thread but I seriously think that every single vision-based debuff should be removed/have the effect removed from the script. That's basically what was the most annoying part in the script.

Pretty much this.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: jaik on 04-12-2013
what is missing from this post from it being the /thread'er, is that the demand for things listed cannot be met, therefore making srp/any kind of roleplay server irrational.

I suppose every server dies at some point. But there are some things that seem to be quite important to get SRP going well again. We'd need interested admins who care about the server, we need them from different timezones. (US and Europe that is) And we'd need some fresh players, I'd say there's quite a few people interested in Stalker RP but who don't want to get on TnB out there. To keep them on the server we need the admin team to be active, not an easy thing to do I admit. But if we can kick it off well it should last.
Also someone to "lead" the SRP stuff, make all the decisions about the canon and so on, preferably either a single person or a small team(2-4 people). Too many members and it'll be a mess, decisions would take ages etc.

for any kind of roleplay server we lack the following:
interested admins who care about the server
fresh players
someone to "lead" the SRP stuff and leaders in general

along with a script that everybody does not hate because it's so god damn uncomfortable compared to clockwork.
just look at this realistically -- nobody will play on hgn's srp EVER and theres nothing we can do to change this. HGN is outdated, boring and unpopular. yes you might ask random people if they will play or not, but what they really mean is that they a) don't want offend you or b) just willing to try once and never give a shit again. sorry guys, but let's accept the fact that HGN is over. our core playerbase(mostly those from 2008, 2009, early 2010) has grown up and abandoned gmod forever and the rest(2010-2012) is circlejerking in tnb. you might ask if we can get the hgn-tnbers back. the answer is no we can't because they're entirely different now and tnb is doing far too well for its playerbase to just start deserting to hgn(why the fuck would they do that is another issue).
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: nKe on 04-12-2013
TL;DR
 
I think HGN's SRP will never be good anymore.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: CC on 04-12-2013
I'm all for SRP for the sake of nostalgia, but once that wears off; we'll be back to where we left SRP. We all loved SRP for the moments we had on it and the fun we had with some pretty cool dudes 'n shit. But it's probably best we let the metaphorical sleeping dog lie.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: jaik on 04-12-2013
TL;DR
 
I think HGN's SRP will never be good anymore.

uh do you have anything that would back up the opposite?
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Picto Wolf on 04-12-2013
TL;DR
 
I think HGN's SRP will never be good anymore.

uh do you have anything that would back up the opposite?

Promising young admins?
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: nKe on 04-12-2013
uh do you have anything that would back up the opposite?
It's your opinion. I dont care, you pessimistic bastard.
I do, however think that HGN's SRP could be good if it was treated properly, for example have a competent SV for once.

There are new players in gmod tho. You'll never know if someone new decides to join if you dont have the server up.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: jaik on 04-12-2013
TL;DR
I think HGN's SRP will never be good anymore.

uh do you have anything that would back up the opposite?

It's your opinion.

(http://i.imgur.com/nWP0FzQ.jpg)
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: nKe on 04-12-2013
...And your point is?
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: jaik on 04-12-2013
...And your point is?

read my initial post
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: INA7HAN on 04-12-2013
uh do you have anything that would back up the opposite?
It's your opinion. I dont care, you pessimistic bastard.
I do, however think that HGN's SRP could be good if it was treated properly, for example have a competent SV for once.

There are new players in gmod tho. You'll never know if someone new decides to join if you dont have the server up.
Wasn't Dark Scar an SV? I mean he did a pretty good job
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: nKe on 04-12-2013
uh do you have anything that would back up the opposite?
It's your opinion. I dont care, you pessimistic bastard.
I do, however think that HGN's SRP could be good if it was treated properly, for example have a competent SV for once.

There are new players in gmod tho. You'll never know if someone new decides to join if you dont have the server up.
Wasn't Dark Scar an SV? I mean he did a pretty good job

I thought he was only a regular admin
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Gonztah on 04-12-2013
As far as I know he was just a regular admin
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Dragon on 04-12-2013
Did someone say SRP? That's a little ambitious.
Would be cool to see it, though. Even if it may or may not be as good as the SRP we knew, with all of its technical faults and whatnot. Despite that though, 'twas fun.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Silver Knight on 04-12-2013
Did someone say SRP? That's a little ambitious.
Would be cool to see it, though. Even if it may or may not be as good as the SRP we knew, with all of its technical faults and whatnot. Despite that though, 'twas fun.

A wild headcrabs appears.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Gonztah on 05-12-2013
Well, it would seem that for SRP to last a little longer than a few weeks it would need work on the script. Unless stuff from the Metro RP that is being currently worked on can be integrated into SRP easily, I doubt anyone's going to divert major attention from that to improve the current script, at least not before Metro RP is done.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: TheAndyShandy on 05-12-2013
Oh boy.
Strap yourselves in, it's time for the great 'obligatory' SRP resurrection of 2013/14.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Picto Wolf on 05-12-2013
I think it's time to just let it die. TnB are now doing it. And well i guess due to the amount of players.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: INA7HAN on 05-12-2013
I'll get SRP up and running like it used to be if you give me twenty twenty dollars
Twenty Twenty Dollars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un5OckofEOA#)
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Rebel6609 on 07-12-2013
For the sake of everyone, it's best to let SRP rest in its coffin. people want it up, they play for a little bit, problems arise as per usual, and then everyone stops playing. It's like wanting to play that old game you used to play, and then by the time you walk over to the CD collection, and walk back, you don't feel like playing it anymore. That's SRP's revival in a nutshell.

Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Tom on 07-12-2013
I don't want to see HGN host SRP again because its been done so many times here and it ends all the same, and TnB is also already super successful at it. The only way someone could compete with TnB in SRPs is if a new community or a new name appeared with same/same amount of cool flashy content/scripts that TnB has. Anouther community did it, made a SRP with all of TnBs content and it had a lot of players on it for a while. Probably because it was something fresh, it was a new community. Unfortunately that community died cause the community leader appointed an incompetent autist as server regulator. Otherwise it would've been nice.

I guess I'd play for a little bit for nostalgia's sake.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Rarr on 07-12-2013
Do..I...Even. Waste 3000 more hours on SRP?

Meh I wouldent mind it again I suppose, have some more... interesting times.....
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Frostee on 07-12-2013
“Finding it, though, that's not the hard part."
(http://images.wikia.com/fallout/images/0/0f/DM_Elijah_ItsLettingGo.ogg)
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: jaik on 07-12-2013
“Finding it, though, that's not the hard part."

(http://images.wikia.com/fallout/images/0/0f/DM_Elijah_ItsLettingGo.ogg)

"Straight outta edgeville, I see." (http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111120154426/runescape/images/d/df/Edgeville_map.png)
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Silver Knight on 07-12-2013
“Finding it, though, that's not the hard part."

(http://images.wikia.com/fallout/images/0/0f/DM_Elijah_ItsLettingGo.ogg)

Yuno Gasai: Crazy Moments (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl09jOBQF5s#)

Don't worry about it Frosty.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Cutch on 07-12-2013
I'm honestly impressed that any of you can so quickly forget every time we brought SRP back, each time the same thing happened: A bunch of old players(and most of those were not the type of players you want in a healthy community) come back, they screw around on the server for maybe a couple weeks-two months max, then they go back to wherever hell they came from. SRP was innovative in its time, it had its day, now its time to move on to bigger and better things. Gmod RP itself has gone downhill over the past 3 years, any sort of new scripting or model/map-making is a waste of time.

Also servers require money, and whoever wants to donate to an old crusty SRP server when there is a far healthier, fresh one is absolutely stupid. Its nothing against HGN, its just a simple consumer mindset: why not buy the better product if its the same cost?

What doesn't surprise me at all is how everyone says "Oh yeah we need better admins." We had excellent admins once-upon-a-time. Then they realized that SRP had outlived its potential and it was time to put the dog down. Now the only people left that would actually play and/or administrate are those too foolish to see the truth.

SRP is dead. Let the dead be dead, put your effort towards something new.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: INA7HAN on 08-12-2013
Well Stalker hype has pretty much gone seen as the aren't any news one being made etc so players who played stalker upon release of the games and thought wouldn't it be fun to RP this have dissappeared with basically zero chance of getting news players so it'd just be all the old players really. Let's just all move onto something else Starbound anyone?
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: jaik on 08-12-2013
Well Stalker hype has pretty much gone seen as the aren't any news one being made etc so players who played stalker upon release of the games and thought wouldn't it be fun to RP this have dissappeared with basically zero chance of getting news players so it'd just be all the old players really. Let's just all move onto something else Starbound anyone?

No, no and...no.

Stalker hype has pretty much gone
(http://i.imgur.com/jlDWMnh.png)
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Cutch on 08-12-2013
Why wouldn't you just keep working on a metro RP server rather than continue the monotony of SRP that we've had over the past five years.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: jaik on 08-12-2013
Why wouldn't you just keep working on a metro RP server

lack of motivation, time and a boatload of competition.
stalker rp takes no effort to set up and little effort to maintain.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Frostee on 08-12-2013
Just let it die.

Fuck.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: nKe on 08-12-2013
Starbound anyone?

Yes.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: lolKieck on 08-12-2013
lack of motivation, time and a boatload of competition.
will we get MRP in 2016?

stalker rp takes no effort to set up and little effort to maintain.
fourth deadly sin - sloth
besides from what I deduce from nearly everyones writing, SRP is going to use the old script silver made
which is bad
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Tom on 08-12-2013
Oh boy.
Strap yourselves in, it's time for the great 'obligatory' SRP resurrection of 2013/14.

This describes the thread nicely.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: SGT-Spartans on 08-12-2013
ill see if yorty cc and sticky will give it a try, we were reminiscing about it the other day.



that being said I hardly have time to play games anymore and the nostalgia will wear off rather fast.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Tom on 08-12-2013
Stalker hype has pretty much gone

(http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p496/apomeroy0001/SRPhypeover_zps99b69f3c.jpg)
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: jaik on 08-12-2013
will we get MRP in 2016?

when it's done. ;)

SRP is going to use the old script silver made
which is bad

the script isn't bad. it's just some of the features need to be edited/removed like hunger/thirst, headbobbing and every other unnecessary bullshit.

Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: CC on 08-12-2013
TnB has most of the SRP playerbase. . I don't really see a reason why they/any new people would come to HGN; unless they're the exiles/banned from the TnB servers. There needs to be a reason for people to come to the server and even bother playing it in the first place. I still stick to my previous statement though.


(As much as I'd like to have a trip down nostalgia lane. But if you decide to get it back up, hey; I'll give it a try.)
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: INA7HAN on 08-12-2013
Nice to see everyone avoided the point I was making. There are no new SRP players, well not many anyway and all of these players are on TnB or go to TnB. Hence why I stated we'd not get any new players as the hype is gone from Stalker and so there will be no fresh blood
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: jaik on 08-12-2013
Nice to see everyone avoided the point I was making. There are no new SRP players, well not many anyway and all of these players are on TnB or go to TnB. Hence why I stated we'd not get any new players as the hype is gone from Stalker and so there will be no fresh blood

We didn't get any new players due to CoP's release, so you're missing the point entirely. I would also like to remind you that TnB launched its SRP when stalker was already old and almost forgotten and that new HL2RP servers are made weekly with new players, so I really don't think there was a point to avoid in first place.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: nKe on 08-12-2013
All hail the great big ape.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Frostee on 08-12-2013
The True Story of HGN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCUrAG0PMtY#ws)
Relevant.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Rebel6609 on 08-12-2013
For the sake of everyone, it's best to let SRP rest in its coffin. people want it up, they play for a little bit, problems arise as per usual, and then everyone stops playing. It's like wanting to play that old game you used to play, and then by the time you walk over to the CD collection, and walk back, you don't feel like playing it anymore. That's SRP's revival in a nutshell.



Just let it die.

Fuck.

Why wouldn't you just keep working on a metro RP server rather than continue the monotony of SRP that we've had over the past five years.

Well Stalker hype has pretty much gone seen as the aren't any news one being made etc so players who played stalker upon release of the games and thought wouldn't it be fun to RP this have dissappeared with basically zero chance of getting news players so it'd just be all the old players really.

Stop while you're ahead.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: HitMan5523 on 08-12-2013
You still owe me that fucking donation, Frosty.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Silver Knight on 09-12-2013
If we do go ahead with a SRP reform, donations won't be a major factor anymore, infact, most donation schemes will be done away with entirely as the costs for hosting are now 1/10 of what they were and i am in a very healthy position financially to upkeep the server.

We will need around £30 pounds a month to keep our servers\website\misc running. Any excess would go to motivation towards development. But time for myself is very limited these days. I wanted to get Metro RP up but there's no time\motivation on my side, and no one has really "chipped" in to help either with that project. I only get weekends to do stuff and even then, i am very busy with other things that i would normally do throughout the week.

So in short, donation packages most likely won't exist, it will just be rubles you can buy, some donation weapons and some nice donation skins. Mutants will be awarded upon roleplay skills. I don't want to piss off former donators so they could get some free, one time starter gear or something.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Silver Knight on 09-12-2013
Nice to see everyone avoided the point I was making. There are no new SRP players, well not many anyway and all of these players are on TnB or go to TnB. Hence why I stated we'd not get any new players as the hype is gone from Stalker and so there will be no fresh blood

Maybe we could use Survarium and have STALKER lore incorporated as part of that basis, so abit into the future. To attract new (Survarium fans) and old players (STALKER\Metro) Fans.

So a cross-breed of STALKER, Survarium and Metro, this could be done since:

Stalker = chernobyl\ukraine (2011)
Metro = Russia (2033 onwards)
Survarium = World (2026 onwards)

STALKER = The chernobyl zone, the expansion of the zone, Survarium are other zones popping up around the world and metro is focused on it's own kind of nuclear desolation, it fundamentally could all be linked together and work which would mean a merger of assets, timelines\lore and bring up something fresh\new. But of course, this is just a concept\idea of retaining what everyone liked about stalker, keeping it stalkerish and involving fresh idea's into the mix.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: INA7HAN on 09-12-2013
Well in about 10 minutes i came up with this shit idea.

The zone begins to expand at an increasing rate, Russia wishes to send in teams of scientists to try and solve the problem desperately to save the world. America seeing the zone as the expanding threat decides to nuke it. Nukes are launched at the zone but it's protected by a large bubble like anomalie causing the Nukes (More than one?) to explode spreading radiation and ash and all that other jazz around, Russia retaliates with Nuclear weapons causing the world to be fucked up. With one to stop the zone spreading it spreads across the world and gas anomalies sprout out everywhere causing the surface to be unbreathable without specalised equipment/gasmask. Mutants evolve to survive in the harsh enviroments or they go underground where people fled to survive the underbreathable atmosphere and radiation.

To include survairum simply new plant life begins to grow everywhere breathing in the gases and exhaling some oxygen meaning you're simply not filtering gases with your gasmask and that there is in fact oxygen above just the gases would kill you without it being filtered.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Rarr on 09-12-2013
Ohh..Dear lord...don't do it... Please... Don't don't do it. I don't want Duty vs Nazis and Freedom vs Commies it would be... Ohh god...
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Tom on 09-12-2013
Omg please dont mix games lore

And i read up until "America shoots nukes at zone" yeah man, remeber that huricane america shot nukes at to stop? Yeah me neither, cause shooting an ecological disaster with explosives is dumb, shooting nukes is dumb and shooting nukes at a nuclear disaster zone to stop it from spreading is autistic.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: INA7HAN on 09-12-2013
Omg please dont mix games lore

And i read up until "America shoots nukes at zone" yeah man, remeber that huricane america shot nukes at to stop? Yeah me neither, cause shooting an ecological disaster with explosives is dumb, shooting nukes is dumb and shooting nukes at a nuclear disaster zone to stop it from spreading is autistic.
I did say was shit idea also 'Murica
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Gonztah on 09-12-2013
I'd rather not have them mixed, would take a bit of work to make it not conflict with itself, and it'd still most likely be confusing as hell (More so to the possible new players)

If we do go ahead with a SRP reform, donations won't be a major factor anymore, infact, most donation schemes will be done away with entirely as the costs for hosting are now 1/10 of what they were and i am in a very healthy position financially to upkeep the server.

We will need around £30 pounds a month to keep our servers\website\misc running. Any excess would go to motivation towards development. But time for myself is very limited these days. I wanted to get Metro RP up but there's no time\motivation on my side, and no one has really "chipped" in to help either with that project. I only get weekends to do stuff and even then, i am very busy with other things that i would normally do throughout the week.


And seeing as this is the case I don't see a reason why not to give it a try at least. Metro isn't going anywhere/moving very slowly and it seems SRP is the only Gmod RP server HGN could put up at the moment without requiring too much effort, just some fixes to the script (Basically the stuff Jake said). I don't see what the people who're saying "No." are losing if it is indeed put up, not like you HAVE to play there or anything.

If it is put up, I'll play there and try to get other people to play on it.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: nKe on 09-12-2013
Omg please dont mix games lore

And i read up until "America shoots nukes at zone" yeah man, remeber that huricane america shot nukes at to stop? Yeah me neither, cause shooting an ecological disaster with explosives is dumb, shooting nukes is dumb and shooting nukes at a nuclear disaster zone to stop it from spreading is autistic.

Pretty much what 'muricans would do.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Cutch on 09-12-2013
Fine, put the server back up if it makes you feel better.  Just don't be surprised when the initial hype wears off and the server empties out after a couple weeks.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: jaik on 09-12-2013
America seeing the zone as the expanding threat decides to nuke it.

wwwhhhaaat

hahahahahahaha good god stopped reading there
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Gonztah on 10-12-2013
Fine, put the server back up if it makes you feel better.  Just don't be surprised when the initial hype wears off and the server empties out after a couple weeks.

I'd like to know why you're so against it that you'll bother to post comments like this on the forums, what's your take on this really?

I'm just worried that if new people do visit the forums they'll just read posts like this and come to the conclusion of: "Oh it'll die away then, wont bother even trying."
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy if you ask me.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: nKe on 10-12-2013
I'd like to know why you're so against it that you'll bother to post comments like this on the forums, what's your take on this really?

I'm just worried that if new people do visit the forums they'll just read posts like this and come to the conclusion of: "Oh it'll die away then, wont bother even trying."
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy if you ask me.
Being pessimistic is easy.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: KillSlim on 10-12-2013
Hi all,

Lots of new faces here, some old ones too. I thought I would come back to the forums as I heard word from a few friends that HGN was being revived. Seeing as I spent an incredible amount of time on SRP from 2009 onwards, spending time with legends like Bagelz, Ganedor, Locke, Doomburger, and many other skilled RP'ers, I would be hard pressed not to make a response to the topic. In my absence I've continued RP'ing in an assortment of different communities, and I'm all too familiar with the concept of reviving on old (but much loved) RP scenario. Stagnation is the biggest issue, people get bored of the scenario, and timeline isn't necessarily considered when it is based upon a game which has it's own timeline. Advancing the RP scenario's timeline would be advancing through the game's timeline, and that would include some massive and impossible changes.

The way HGN did Stalker RP was to create a world, throw everyone into it, and see what happened afterwards. Individual group / player actions were not very influential, which gave the atmosphere a very still feeling of non-progression. There were events and many people and their characters would remember them for a long while, especially if it involved major factions. But there was still a sense of meaningless to their actions. If Stalker RP was to ever return and be successful when it must feel like everything has been tried, I propose the following:

1.) Create a Narrative
"But we're in a Narrative! We're in Stalker!"--Well, yes. However the server had HL2 syndrome in which the RP scenario remained permanently fixed. There needs to be an aspect of story telling, a story of this particular region of the zone that advances, arcs, twists, and most importantly, is influenced by the players which is then detailed on the forums to keep everyone updated of what is actually going on. Simultaneously, it would be a part of the 'greater plot' of Stalker, but simply wouldn't progress through the game's timeline. The server timeline progresses, but the overall scenario doesn't. Characters need to be involved in the story telling to reassure us that we are all influential. Like the zone, heroes and villains of all creeds, loyalties, and backgrounds become well known.

2.) Promote and emphasize passive RP
Passive RP can be boring, and we all know it, however it's your fault if it's boring. If your character is a boring one and doesn't have a personality, mannerisms, history, ambitions, likes & dislikes, and so on, your character is a drone. Passive RP has the potential to be some of the best RP you will ever experience if you put effort into your character and RP. Soon it will become second nature and will be thoroughly enjoyable. Inside the zone is the perfect setting for passive RP. A small while ago I went on an airsoft weekend in the winter to a big site. We spent the night in a -5 degrees freezing cold warehouse, the luxuries we had were warm clothes, alcohol, and food. 5 hours passed as we ate, drank, joked, took the piss, told stories, and it was great. My friend was also trying to fix one of his guns in the dark. I also slept in the back of a van. Images:

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp329/KillSlim/DSCN1157_zps19af4f61.jpg
http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp329/KillSlim/DSCN1155_zps3ea7f9e2.jpg (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp329/KillSlim/DSCN1155_zps3ea7f9e2.jpg)
http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp329/KillSlim/DSCN1152_zpscfebc88f.jpg (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp329/KillSlim/DSCN1152_zpscfebc88f.jpg)
http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp329/KillSlim/DSCN1154_zps0bf6b852.jpg (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp329/KillSlim/DSCN1154_zps0bf6b852.jpg)


Those are the two big ones and I'm sure we can all think of minor improvements to the scenario and to the server itself, however what I listed above is probably the most important to make a revived scenario successful. We don't need to combine scenarios, just build upon the already fruitful Stalker scenario with the servers own story.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: jaik on 10-12-2013
Stagnation is the biggest issue, people get bored of the scenario, and timeline isn't necessarily considered when it is based upon a game which has it's own timeline. Advancing the RP scenario's timeline would be advancing through the game's timeline, and that would include some massive and impossible changes.

1.) Create a Narrative
"But we're in a Narrative! We're in Stalker!"--Well, yes. However the server had HL2 syndrome in which the RP scenario remained permanently fixed. There needs to be an aspect of story telling, a story of this particular region of the zone that advances, arcs, twists, and most importantly, is influenced by the players which is then detailed on the forums to keep everyone updated of what is actually going on. Simultaneously, it would be a part of the 'greater plot' of Stalker, but simply wouldn't progress through the game's timeline. The server timeline progresses, but the overall scenario doesn't. Characters need to be involved in the story telling to reassure us that we are all influential. Like the zone, heroes and villains of all creeds, loyalties, and backgrounds become well known.

You're being very vague about an 'advancing story'. Describe in detail what it would look like. Right now it looks as if you just want someone to document the in-game change on the forum. HGN has always had a dynamic "story" as the balance of power swayed quite often(ie Duty being the superpower, then loners, then Military, etc) -- probably more than a half a hundred times, if not more, during my stay here. Playerbased groups have been founded and disbanded, loners and bandits got PKed, events and missions were made, admins were banned and recruited, new features were added and removed, legends came and went. I absolutely don't understand what the hell do you mean by "advancing timeline" when this is NOT a singleplayer game with static/predictable dynamic variables, but a roleplay server with constantly changing environment(less so when it's inactive, but you get my point). Timeline depends on the players themselves, not the administration, because at the end -- if players don't care, then whatever change you make won't matter.
Name a public server/community in GMod where such policy would prove itself fruitful -- where the proposed changing of timeline and the interest of the playerbase are in a direct causal relationship.

Individual group / player actions were not very influential, which gave the atmosphere a very still feeling of non-progression. There were events and many people and their characters would remember them for a long while, especially if it involved major factions.

Major factions have always been the core part of HGN Stalker RP. Once more, you're being very general -- how can you artificially make an individual action matter?

2.) Promote and emphasize passive RP
Passive RP can be boring, and we all know it, however it's your fault if it's boring. If your character is a boring one and doesn't have a personality, mannerisms, history, ambitions, likes & dislikes, and so on, your character is a drone. Passive RP has the potential to be some of the best RP you will ever experience if you put effort into your character and RP. Soon it will become second nature and will be thoroughly enjoyable. Inside the zone is the perfect setting for passive RP.
Those are the two big ones and I'm sure we can all think of minor improvements to the scenario and to the server itself, however what I listed above is probably the most important to make a revived scenario successful. We don't need to combine scenarios, just build upon the already fruitful Stalker scenario with the servers own story.

Sadly you've managed to make a rather poor generalization of the entire HGN playerbase and went on about a rather moderately relevant aspect of HGN's SRP that has little to do with the reviving process itself. First of all, you're trying to instill guilt for not prioritizing the elements of RP that you personally prefer. HGN has never been the temple of passive RP and it has never been the deciding factor of our success. There has never been a time in HGN where passive RP was different, ever. You're literally trying to change the way people want to play -- the entire reason they've ever come to HGN.
Now what I mean by that is that the average HGNer has always been interested in gear(which is fine by me), the currency of the character's physical strength, and money. Then come other factors like a collective, where the main objective is to earn that currency through various means for the entire collective(major factions use gear as a means to get influence, their primary IC objective, and more gear, minor collectives usually work towards dividing the currency evenly, not seeking influence that much). Gear is the ultimate incentive to roleplay. This is proven by dissatisfaction/anger of a person when they don't receive the reward that would be worth as much as the effort(roleplay) they put into completing a task.
RPG element has always been the core of HGN and nobody can do anything to change that. Not a single guide, tutorial, admin, rule or script feature will ever change that. Is there anything wrong with that? No, there isn't, or I wouldn't have spent so many years here, it's simply the face of this community and you shall learn to accept that, or keep unsuccessfully trying to pursue a roleplaying utopia that HGN will not become for its own good.

On a final note, as HGN has always been hosting RPGs, the characters are almost always developed in-game. Everybody earns their unique character features during the gameplay. It has never been the tradition of our playerbase to create paragraphs long backstories in order to play and frankly I look down on the people who think that it's a necessity and bring it over here. I wouldn't say that the characters are drones/bland/boring(that's the generalization I was speaking of earlier). Yes, compared to the well-thought out characters elsewhere, they may seem bland and indeed, the quality of roleplay may not be of the same standard as elsewhere, but HGN compensates with other features that make it unique.

A small while ago I went on an airsoft weekend in the winter to a big site. We spent the night in a -5 degrees freezing cold warehouse, the luxuries we had were warm clothes, alcohol, and food. 5 hours passed as we ate, drank, joked, took the piss, told stories, and it was great. My friend was also trying to fix one of his guns in the dark. I also slept in the back of a van. Images:

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp329/KillSlim/DSCN1157_zps19af4f61.jpg
http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp329/KillSlim/DSCN1155_zps3ea7f9e2.jpg (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp329/KillSlim/DSCN1155_zps3ea7f9e2.jpg)
http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp329/KillSlim/DSCN1152_zpscfebc88f.jpg (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp329/KillSlim/DSCN1152_zpscfebc88f.jpg)
http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp329/KillSlim/DSCN1154_zps0bf6b852.jpg (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp329/KillSlim/DSCN1154_zps0bf6b852.jpg)


um...
cool story bro
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: INA7HAN on 10-12-2013
Gear and wealth is main feature of SRP so when people say why everyone only cares about gear is because gear = power and power allows you to get more money and what's one of the main reasons people are in the zone? To make money, also on the Passive RP thing and blandness I haven't been here as long as everyone else really but I've seen many characters of interest which passive roleplaying with them was fun, mainly 'Hydra' 'Dragon' 'Syfer' (Crosshair) Alek (Duty guy) Ivanov? All were good characters there was also probably one of my favourite traders 'Night' who I bought most of my stuff from. Most people were interesting to know and Roleplay. It's the zone after all people may seem bland because no one just blurts out their life story to every tom dick and harry that says hi to them, you have to earn the trust of that person and brefriend them over time to get such information about someones history.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: KillSlim on 10-12-2013
I was being very general as I've been absent for several years and made points based upon both my own experience in HGN when SRP was up, and based upon friends experiences who were here when I wasn't. It was general because I don't know how HGN was in it's closing time. Although what hasn't changed is the impression of HGN from players outside the community, that being that it is a TNB clone, a community that puts character equipment over RP.

I don't understand how you don't know what an advancing plot is. Your description is of a sandbox server, where as I said, things are left alone to happen. An advancing plot introduces some control on behalf of the admin team, but an actual plot is introduced instead of letting things slowly develop and then stagnate over time.

My generalization on passive RP was also based upon my experiences in the past, that being, I didn't see much passive RP (Although the little passive RP I had was great). My RL example was in relation to passive RP and showed that passive activity can be equally fun as active .. activity?

I don't understand your hostilities to change. If SRP were to ever return as standard as it was before, it would die again. Change is necessary in this instance. You don't see politicians wanting people's votes and promising to change or improve absolutely nothing, it would get them no where.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: jaik on 10-12-2013
Although what hasn't changed is the impression of HGN from players outside the community, that being that it is a TNB clone, a community that puts character equipment over RP.

There has never been any need to change that impression nor is there a need for such action. There's no point in trying to change as to what somebody assumes based on hearsay. I can't comprehend how can this be relevant anymore since this has been a matter of discussion since 2008 and obviously this pseudo problem needs even less attention at times like these. But if you want to prove that this is a problem then I'd wish you to gather at least some sort of evidence(of at least 15-25 random people at various communities that would have this predisposition towards HGN(screenshot of the entire chat, names with steam profiles included).


I don't understand how you don't know what an advancing plot is. Your description is of a sandbox server, where as I said, things are left alone to happen. An advancing plot introduces some control on behalf of the admin team, but an actual plot is introduced instead of letting things slowly develop and then stagnate over time.

The admin team has always had very extensive control over the roleplay. HGN is much more authoritarian(which is a positive trait) than TnB and other communities, where roleplay is almost never checked for its consistency or critically judged. There are exceptions where retarded roleplay occurs despite complaints, but that usually comes from a party which doesn't care about RP at all or has more authority(usually both). I don't remember SRP ever being a sandbox and I don't know where did you catch the idea that it is such. Most of the non-small time roleplay is started by admins and usually requires their presence to continue it properly. Almost always when there's a conflict RP between (groups of) characters, there's a major shitstorm if an admin doesn't come to guide/restrict the conflict.
I don't understand what you're suggesting, because there cannot be one plot that every player on the server would like to follow, people make their own sub-plots(which is usually led by a participant that happens to be an admin) to RP in  as not every character is in the position to participate in the biggest on-going conflict in the server.

My generalization on passive RP was also based upon my experiences in the past, that being, I didn't see much passive RP (Although the little passive RP I had was great). My RL example was in relation to passive RP and showed that passive activity can be equally fun as active .. activity?

Seems like you didn't read my post at all.
Your generalizations are based on experience, but you fail to comprehend that this experience is exactly the genuine HGN experience and there's no need in changing it. Your real life example is absolutely random and doesn't relate to discussion at all. Are you then saying that for proper passive RP you're required to sit in a garage at -5c and fix weapons in the dark? How you even try to compare real life and an RPG is laughable.

I don't understand your hostilities to change. If SRP were to ever return as standard as it was before, it would die again. Change is necessary in this instance.

Yet another generalization from our passive KillSlim -- by your logic I'm opposed to all kind of change based on my reaction to your inappropriate proposals. I never said we don't need to differ from what we used to be.

You don't see politicians wanting people's votes and promising to change or improve absolutely nothing.

I hereby introduce you to conservatism.

(http://i.imgur.com/1bpSX2X.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/y5WMVGG.png)
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: lolKieck on 10-12-2013
Because in the Zone, Loners come only to talk and share a kielbasa with each other.
Because in the Zone, Loners don't care about money, artifacts which bring money or equipment which ensures survival.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Silver Knight on 10-12-2013
Because in the Zone, Loners come only to talk and share a kielbasa with each other.
Because in the Zone, Loners don't care about money, artifacts which bring money or equipment which ensures survival.

No, according to tnb they care about weeabooness, golden ak74's, rape and sexual intercourse (both heterosexual and homosexual) and of course let's not forget their most recent muslim faction of jihad terrorists in the zone.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Tom on 10-12-2013
Because in the Zone, Loners come only to talk and share a kielbasa with each other.
Because in the Zone, Loners don't care about money, artifacts which bring money or equipment which ensures survival.

No, according to tnb they care about weeabooness, golden ak74's, rape and sexual intercourse (both heterosexual and homosexual) and of course let's not forget their most recent muslim faction of jihad terrorists in the zone.

So far all I've seen at TnB is shoddy PKs and crazy gear whoring. Oh and admins having aneurysms over "muh economee" when there are tons of duping glitches that make any measure they put to "fix" the "economy" pointless.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: jaik on 10-12-2013
Because in the Zone, Loners come only to talk and share a kielbasa with each other.
Because in the Zone, Loners don't care about money, artifacts which bring money or equipment which ensures survival.

No, according to tnb they care about weeabooness, golden ak74's, rape and sexual intercourse (both heterosexual and homosexual) and of course let's not forget their most recent muslim faction of jihad terrorists in the zone.

So far all I've seen at TnB is shoddy PKs and crazy gear whoring. Oh and admins having aneurysms over "muh economee" when there are tons of duping glitches that make any measure they put to "fix" the "economy" pointless.

(http://i.imgur.com/hKPzVc6.png)
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Frostee on 10-12-2013
The main issue I see is the players. What is the point of having a server up if only 10 people are going to play on it, if even?
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Silver Knight on 10-12-2013
The main issue I see is the players. What is the point of having a server up if only 10 people are going to play on it, if even?

So you can make me another anime video or maybe to make you play, oh wait, frostee, i forget your beyond rpee these days!
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: CC on 10-12-2013
Who cares how many people are on the server? As long as you are having a good time and there are no problems, who gives a shit?
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: lolKieck on 11-12-2013
Because in the Zone, Loners come only to talk and share a kielbasa with each other.
Because in the Zone, Loners don't care about money, artifacts which bring money or equipment which ensures survival.

No, according to tnb they care about weeabooness, golden ak74's, rape and sexual intercourse (both heterosexual and homosexual) and of course let's not forget their most recent muslim faction of jihad terrorists in the zone.
This kind of server defamation is just low. Also...
>implying HGN had no cyberers, especially on the administrator team
Here. Even greentexted it for you.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: jaik on 11-12-2013
>implying HGN had no cyberers, especially on the administrator team

b-but that's just TnB propaganda!!

look they even managed to make a realistic screenshot photoshop

(http://i.imgur.com/MGKL83q.jpg)

the irony of this picture is that both admins in the picture are ex-TnBers. Not sure about Ness Tea now, but he cybered at TnB all the time as far as I remember and 19 Years Old Lesbian is Dark Angel, no further explanation required.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Silver Knight on 11-12-2013
>implying HGN had no cyberers, especially on the administrator team
the irony of this picture is that both admins in the picture are ex-TnBers. Not sure about Ness Tea now, but he cybered at TnB all the time as far as I remember and 19 Years Old Lesbian is Dark Angel, no further explanation required.

Ness tea did not get past TO before i removed him from admin, he was lazy and was unfit for admin service.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: jaik on 11-12-2013
>implying HGN had no cyberers, especially on the administrator team
the irony of this picture is that both admins in the picture are ex-TnBers. Not sure about Ness Tea now, but he cybered at TnB all the time as far as I remember and 19 Years Old Lesbian is Dark Angel, no further explanation required.

Ness tea did not get past TO before i removed him from admin, he was lazy and was unfit for admin service.
for a good reason
I remember the day he became an admin he was walking around in an exo and roleplaying like he was the center of the world.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: themutatedman on 11-12-2013
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Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Silver Knight on 12-12-2013
>implying HGN had no cyberers, especially on the administrator team
the irony of this picture is that both admins in the picture are ex-TnBers. Not sure about Ness Tea now, but he cybered at TnB all the time as far as I remember and 19 Years Old Lesbian is Dark Angel, no further explanation required.

Ness tea did not get past TO before i removed him from admin, he was lazy and was unfit for admin service.
for a good reason
I remember the day he became an admin he was walking around in an exo and roleplaying like he was the center of the world.

Mad Combat Syndrome.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Tom on 12-12-2013
>implying HGN had no cyberers, especially on the administrator team
the irony of this picture is that both admins in the picture are ex-TnBers. Not sure about Ness Tea now, but he cybered at TnB all the time as far as I remember and 19 Years Old Lesbian is Dark Angel, no further explanation required.

Ness tea did not get past TO before i removed him from admin, he was lazy and was unfit for admin service.
for a good reason
I remember the day he became an admin he was walking around in an exo and roleplaying like he was the center of the world.

Moodcoombert Syndrome.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Rarr on 13-12-2013
Sooo uh... Whats the plan then..?
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Thanatos on 15-12-2013
Oh, God... Why?
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Steven :D on 15-12-2013
Oh, God... Why?

Because our lord decrees it.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Cutch on 15-12-2013
Oh, God... Why?

Because our lord decrees it.
I think I just pissed myself.
 
Also, if you think being such an optimist is excellent, I have but one quote for you.
Quote from: Oscar Wilde
"If you pretend to be good, the world takes you very seriously. If you pretend to be bad, it doesn't. Such is the astounding stupidity of optimism."
Seems to fit very well with this topic. But I'm not saying that SRP will lead to a definite death. Its more than able to succeed if the proper actions are taken to guarantee its success. However, I believe it was Einstein who said that doing the exact same thing over again and expecting different results was the definition of insanity.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: kropfi on 15-12-2013
I'll play if there is gear.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: deluxulous on 15-12-2013
RIP in peace

also holy shit it's killslim
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Frostee on 15-12-2013
Oh, God... Why?

Because our lord decrees it.
I think I just pissed myself.
 
Also, if you think being such an optimist is excellent, I have but one quote for you.
Quote from: Oscar Wilde
"If you pretend to be good, the world takes you very seriously. If you pretend to be bad, it doesn't. Such is the astounding stupidity of optimism."
Seems to fit very well with this topic. But I'm not saying that SRP will lead to a definite death. Its more than able to succeed if the proper actions are taken to guarantee its success. However, I believe it was Einstein who said that doing the exact same thing over again and expecting different results was the definition of insanity.

Did i ever tell you the definition of "Insanity"?? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBDi0iM2kcU#ws)
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Poler on 15-12-2013
Did someone say...... GEAR?!
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: nKe on 15-12-2013
Nobody is forcing you people to play.

If you find SRP not enjoyable, it doesnt mean that other people cant have fun in it.
If SRP gets back up, I'm gonna play and have fun with whoever happens to be on the server.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Khorn on 16-12-2013
SRP

Saloon Role Play.


Live out your fantasies of standing around in a bar with other awkward people.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: jaik on 16-12-2013
SRP

Saloon Role Play.


Live out your fantasies of standing around in a bar with other awkward people.

well arent you a comedian

(http://i.imgur.com/UxvwQNm.gif)
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Rarr on 16-12-2013
Nobody is forcing you people to play.

If you find SRP not enjoyable, it doesnt mean that other people cant have fun in it.
If SRP gets back up, I'm gonna play and have fun with whoever happens to be on the server.

I agree, but hey guess What? Its the internet lol, peoples be hatin 4 dayz!</<
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Blake.H on 16-12-2013
101
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Cutch on 16-12-2013
Nobody is forcing you people to play.

If you find SRP not enjoyable, it doesnt mean that other people cant have fun in it.
If SRP gets back up, I'm gonna play and have fun with whoever happens to be on the server.
I still don't understand how much clearer I can be when I say that I'm not against SRP relaunching. SK has every right to spend his money as he wishes. All I mean is for people to have reasonable expectations. There is a community that currently has a server with an established playerbase. Albeit their script is broke as fuck, they hold the majority of the players, and players would be hardpressed to start somewhere else unless that somewhere has something better to offer.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Plunger on 16-12-2013
This thread pretty much sums up why SRP isn't going to be successful if it relaunches. Five pages in, and the community is already being immature towards each other, posting gifs, soundbytes, and arguments towards each other.

Also, for the people claiming HGN SRP doesn't need to change, clearly it would have to since the server did die after all, so something had to have gone wrong. If I thought the playerbase, or what's left of it, could handle a relaunch I would support it, but in it's current state I can't in good faith give that support.

Also, why the fuck are people attacking KillSlim, someone who's been here a lot longer then most people, for actually trying to help the community? That's about as inept as you can get.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: jaik on 17-12-2013
This thread pretty much sums up why SRP isn't going to be successful if it relaunches. Five pages in, and the community is already being immature towards each other, posting gifs, soundbytes, and arguments towards each other.

Frosty isn't part of the community, he's just here to troll and shitpost.

Also, for the people claiming HGN SRP doesn't need to change, clearly it would have to since the server did die after all, so something had to have gone wrong. If I thought the playerbase, or what's left of it, could handle a relaunch I would support it, but in it's current state I can't in good faith give that support.

So you focus on the thing that has gone wrong, but not setting about on a crusade to bring your enlightened passive RP(which yet still needs to be justified) here. The change must be in accordance to the things that have indeed gone wrong, it must not be whatever looks best on paper just for the sake of it being something different.

Also, why the fuck are people attacking KillSlim, someone who's been here a lot longer then most people, for actually trying to help the community? That's about as inept as you can get.

Eh? I don't see where an attack has been performed on KillSlim. His registration date means nothing if he skipped 2-3 years of SRP yet he attempts to speak about problems he simply doesn't even know anything about. As Killslim didn't even bother to defend his own critical view of HGN, I'm not sure how can you call anyone inept but yourself Plunger as I would've expected you to see at least that much.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Silver Knight on 17-12-2013
Also, for the people claiming HGN SRP doesn't need to change, clearly it would have to since the server did die after all, so something had to have gone wrong. If I thought the playerbase, or what's left of it, could handle a relaunch I would support it, but in it's current state I can't in good faith give that support.

Technically, SRP lived for 5 years without going down and still maintained a decent sized playerbase. So something must have worked during said time. Besides a few flaws, change in the content\script and the major factor of compeititon and TnB becoming the spotlight for srp is what really put this SRP into disarray. We could have the best server in the world, but if no one knows we exist, we won't be popular so we won't be successful, this has been very much the case with all our servers in the last few years (Fallout, Crussaria), especially with SRP since duplicate servers have popped up so we are no longer unique.

Advertising and community (GMOD) pressence is very important to any asset's success (Product, server, person etc)
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Plunger on 17-12-2013
This thread pretty much sums up why SRP isn't going to be successful if it relaunches. Five pages in, and the community is already being immature towards each other, posting gifs, soundbytes, and arguments towards each other.

Frosty isn't part of the community, he's just here to troll and shitpost.

Also, for the people claiming HGN SRP doesn't need to change, clearly it would have to since the server did die after all, so something had to have gone wrong. If I thought the playerbase, or what's left of it, could handle a relaunch I would support it, but in it's current state I can't in good faith give that support.

So you focus on the thing that has gone wrong, but not setting about on a crusade to bring your enlightened passive RP(which yet still needs to be justified) here. The change must be in accordance to the things that have indeed gone wrong, it must not be whatever looks best on paper just for the sake of it being something different.

Also, why the fuck are people attacking KillSlim, someone who's been here a lot longer then most people, for actually trying to help the community? That's about as inept as you can get.

Eh? I don't see where an attack has been performed on KillSlim. His registration date means nothing if he skipped 2-3 years of SRP yet he attempts to speak about problems he simply doesn't even know anything about. As Killslim didn't even bother to defend his own critical view of HGN, I'm not sure how can you call anyone inept but yourself Plunger as I would've expected you to see at least that much.

Passive RP isn't a special kind of RP that I've made up, it's a necessary part of any RP server. It provides the server with longevity, increased character development, and an over arching narrative. If you can't see why it's needed then that sums up one of the communities problems pretty well. People place to much emphasis on action RP, or use simplified RP a vehicle for gaining gear. Both of which aren't the main focus of the server.

And on attacking KillSlim, your posts in reply to him were dripping in passive-aggression. Even if you didn't directly insult him, you did belittle him and try to invalidate his points by pointing out a registration date. I'm annoyed by it because he brought up some pretty important issues the community has and at least tried to find ways to solve them.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: jaik on 18-12-2013
Passive RP isn't a special kind of RP that I've made up, it's a necessary part of any RP server. It provides the server with longevity, increased character development, and an over arching narrative. If you can't see why it's needed then that sums up one of the communities problems pretty well. People place to much emphasis on action RP.
I don't know where you're getting that I said it's special. If you actually read my post, you'd see that I only pointed out that it always had a moderate level of importance in HGN, at any moment of its existence.

Passive RP isn't a static server variable that you can just take from -10 to 30. You can't systematically improve passive RP like lowering the crime rate by expanding state security and law enforcement institutions. You cannot claim that apparently longevity, character development and an over arching narrative will be somehow magically much more better if we focus on trying to change something that's completely individual. The quality and amount of passive RP do not depend on the actions of admins, the rules, the script or its features. It's completely an individual matter, which is why we see different people at different servers, for example TnB playerbase tends to prefer passive RP, but outright shits on the canon, while HGNers are more critical of bullshit but not as active in passive.
What you're essentially proposing is a systematic mass-teaching of passive RP through...making more missions. You realize this has been conceptually tried in HGN several times before? I've witnessed such an attempt at FRP and we all know how that turned out. This is never going to work as you're trying to make people do what they don't want to do(how many here actually are willing to give up gear as the main aspect of character development?) and you will end up alienating an already tiny playerbase.

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use simplified RP a vehicle for gaining gear. Both of which aren't the main focus of the server.
Fortunately you're not the one to decide what's the main focus, because the 5 year tradition of HGN has always been about gear+RP.

And on attacking KillSlim, your posts in reply to him were dripping in passive-aggression. Even if you didn't directly insult him, you did belittle him and try to invalidate his points by pointing out a registration date. I'm annoyed by it because he brought up some pretty important issues the community has and at least tried to find ways to solve them.

Seeing as you're referring directly to my 2 posts directed at KillSlim, assuming you read them, I'd expect you to at least point out the exact part where I was 'belittling' him. Your lack of reading comprehension is rather terrifying to me as I expected something more impressive from you Plunger, because you were the one to attempt to validate his 'points' by claiming he's been here longer than others.
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On a related note, I'd love if you addressed the arguments in the replies to KillSlim, seeing as you're defending his arguments indirectly and he never bothered to respond.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Cutch on 18-12-2013
I didn't realize the topic of the thread was "Cockfight: Jake v Plunger"

SK, if its really that easy to do, just put SRP back up so people will be satisfied.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Tom on 18-12-2013
I didn't realize the topic of the thread was "Cockfight: Jake v Plunger"

SK, if its really that easy to do, just put SRP back up so people will be satisfied.

More like "Cockfight: Jake V anyone who thinks this is a bad idea/anyone that thinks doing the same bullshit we've been doing for years is a bad idea"
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: jaik on 18-12-2013
I didn't realize the topic of the thread was "Cockfight: Jake v Plunger"

SK, if its really that easy to do, just put SRP back up so people will be satisfied.

More like "Cockfight: Jake V anyone who thinks this is a bad idea/anyone that thinks doing the same bullshit we've been doing for years is a bad idea"

That's not nice. You're over-reacting when you think I'm opposed to any kind of change/update based on literally one disagreement. There's nothing else to talk about right now as the only thing that's been brought up by KillSlim(and subsequently Plunger) is that you can upgrade passive RP like a CPU(also implying that there's anything wrong with passive RP in HGN). So because I oppose the certain approach Plunger has for SRP, this automatically nullifies and invalidates everything I've said(that yet has to be addressed) on the basis that this isn't progressive enough for you? The notion that there's literally only one way to fix the condition of HGN's SRP is absolutely ridiculous. You might ask why am I so determined to prove Plunger wrong instead of proposing new ideas? "Plunger: And like I said before, whether you disagree or not, we will be trying it."

Might as well as drop it at this point since obviously Passive RP is a graphics card and HGN's current one is simply old and we'll just replace it xdddddd.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Rebel6609 on 18-12-2013
Oh man, let me just step over all this.. and.. ah here. I found the Reply button.

*ahem* Now since I don't care enough to read the additional 3 pages of anger that have popped up since I last replied, I'm going to go ahead and just throw it out there again.

We can sit here and argue what the issue was, our ways of fixing it, and we can all point fingers on whos the blame, and why it won't work and why it will work and such, but we should just take a step back and evaluate things. Putting the server up will feed the urge to play SRP on a server that TnB doesn't own. However, It'll also be down in a short while after that because people will find a fault in it and we don't have a functioning team of active admins and devs to keep things going. Our playerbase will achieve victory status within a short time, and it'll be what it was before it went down last time.

HGN is comprised of cliques that play together and when you try to mix them with passive, it turns into an awkward stare at each other and fuck around in TS hour. Which in turn makes it hard for RP to actually happen, and it makes it difficult for new people to become apart of the community. When we don't get new people, it gets old.

Try to understand that I'm not trying to be pessimistic about this situation here, I'm only taking in account history.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Cutch on 18-12-2013
Oh man, let me just step over all this.. and.. ah here. I found the Reply button.

*ahem* Now since I don't care enough to read the additional 3 pages of anger that have popped up since I last replied, I'm going to go ahead and just throw it out there again.

We can sit here and argue what the issue was, our ways of fixing it, and we can all point fingers on whos the blame, and why it won't work and why it will work and such, but we should just take a step back and evaluate things. Putting the server up will feed the urge to play SRP on a server that TnB doesn't own. However, It'll also be down in a short while after that because people will find a fault in it and we don't have a functioning team of active admins and devs to keep things going. Our playerbase will achieve victory status within a short time, and it'll be what it was before it went down last time.

HGN is comprised of cliques that play together and when you try to mix them with passive, it turns into an awkward stare at each other and fuck around in TS hour. Which in turn makes it hard for RP to actually happen, and it makes it difficult for new people to become apart of the community. When we don't get new people, it gets old.

Try to understand that I'm not trying to be pessimistic about this situation here, I'm only taking in account history.
Well said.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Duranblackraven on 19-12-2013
Oh man, let me just step over all this.. and.. ah here. I found the Reply button.

*ahem* Now since I don't care enough to read the additional 3 pages of anger that have popped up since I last replied, I'm going to go ahead and just throw it out there again.

We can sit here and argue what the issue was, our ways of fixing it, and we can all point fingers on whos the blame, and why it won't work and why it will work and such, but we should just take a step back and evaluate things. Putting the server up will feed the urge to play SRP on a server that TnB doesn't own. However, It'll also be down in a short while after that because people will find a fault in it and we don't have a functioning team of active admins and devs to keep things going. Our playerbase will achieve victory status within a short time, and it'll be what it was before it went down last time.

HGN is comprised of cliques that play together and when you try to mix them with passive, it turns into an awkward stare at each other and fuck around in TS hour. Which in turn makes it hard for RP to actually happen, and it makes it difficult for new people to become apart of the community. When we don't get new people, it gets old.

Try to understand that I'm not trying to be pessimistic about this situation here, I'm only taking in account history.

Going the same route and not even going to bother with a lot of the 'wha-wha', so excuse me if I mirror something already said.

When I had first joined HGN and started playing on the SRP server it was a time when the script was barely together. As such, if you didn't take exact measures, or if the server just fucking hated you, you'd lose your equipped items or just your entire inventory.

As the script got better, we received real functions like inventory saving, new models for everything, a betting inventory system, ect.

I noticed a shift in mentality somewhere in the middle of my time here. Where losing your items was no longer laughed off as 'part of the experience'. More emphasis was put on protecting the 'common' players items, and their character. To the point taking something from someone was a monumental task. Hell you had to basically go through a pre-flight check just to make sure you could shoot someone -in the Zone-. These new rules just reinforced the mentality that everyone and everything was special and should be handled with the care you'd give to a rare piece of pottery.

Whatever you change game play wise isn't going to help anything with the mentality of the players that think they should be untouchable, and the administration that would make sure they also felt that way to not 'hurt their feelings'. Player retention at the cost of everything else became the modus operandi and as you can see the servers died. Repeatably.

Until an administration is brought in that can actually work together to help change the mentality of the player base, or at the least keep it in check, without people starting behind-the-scenes(Which never stayed there, be honest) drama that is never put in check itself, the server -will- continue to be brought up and go back down over and over again.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Rebel6609 on 19-12-2013
Ah, Duran. Didn't think you'd still remember your account info! Though yes, what he stated is truth. Nothing will change unless capable people are put in place, and changes are made that stick. At this point, you're trying to put a square into a circle, and instead of picking up a different shape, you're just trying it at different angles.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Paintcheck on 19-12-2013

When I had first joined HGN and started playing on the SRP server it was a time when the script was barely together. As such, if you didn't take exact measures, or if the server just fucking hated you, you'd lose your equipped items or just your entire inventory.

I noticed a shift in mentality somewhere in the middle of my time here. Where losing your items was no longer laughed off as 'part of the experience'. More emphasis was put on protecting the 'common' players items, and their character. To the point taking something from someone was a monumental task.

Whatever you change game play wise isn't going to help anything with the mentality of the players that think they should be untouchable, and the administration that would make sure they also felt that way to not 'hurt their feelings'. Player retention at the cost of everything else became the modus operandi and as you can see the servers died. Repeatably.


In 2009 when Cakescript barely did anything right other than having different ways to talk and /me everything was better because gear was irrelevant.

There's an inverse relationship between RP quality and script quality and while it is entirely possible to have things work with "fragile" players (DayZ's inexplicable popularity proves that people have no problems getting ganked repeatedly nonstop if they can recover quickly...at least I assume they can recover quickly, having never played DayZ and having no desire to play it I don't know for sure) it requires a more advanced script to let players recover without needing to be babysat by admins 24/7. Current Gmod scripts are at the exact level of competence as to be incredibly off-putting.

For the most part scripts are good at inventories and managing individuals but cannot manage entire servers. As far as I know (granted this knowledge is like a year old so maybe I'm entirely wrong) there are no scripts dynamically generating things for players to do. That means you have to rely on admins to set up everything related to getting the all-mighty gear. Admins who probably don't have the time or energy to do that 24/7 like a computer can. This makes gear especially precious because no only does the player need to endure some sort of grind to acquire it, but the grind is not a known path. If we look at an MMORPG which is also almost entirely reliant on gear progression to keep people playing, people keep playing because they know what they have to do to get the gear. They can have goals, they have some idea of how long it will take them to achieve those goals, and they can tell when they are making progress towards those goals.

Gmod does not have that. Yes there's a currency system but you can only buy from other human traders and those human players can set the prices to be whatever they want (though HGN was usually pretty good at traders not jacking prices up absurdly high from what I remember despite the relative scarcity of them and NPC traders could also remove that bit of uncertainty but that's not at all the biggest problem here) so there's a feeling of uncertainty there. Then of course currency is incredibly hard to come by because it's reliant on admins who have their own lives to live and cannot always guarantee content at a timely matter. So you try to fix that with paychecks, but that doesn't encourage participation in the game or roleplay because you get the paycheck regardless of if you're doing anything or not which makes the gear grind not very fun.

So in Gmod players can have a set goal ("I want this piece of gear") but they don't know how achievable that goal is unless they were content to just grind paychecks (which is boring for everyone involved). Progress is usually in the forward direction but unlike most other games in Gmod you can lose your items. So you might grind shit out for a week, get your shiny deathlaser 2000, then get ganked by a bunch of oldfag bandits and lose it 10 minutes later. If you can't be secure in your property, why the fuck would you waste so much time acquiring it, especially when the only reliable way of advancement is literally to do nothing and collect paychecks?

Gmod is incredibly reliant on players making their own stories because that's the only way the grind is tolerable. That's why Plunger and others (including me) believe that passive is so important. Without passive there is literally no point in playing because I could spend 5 hours sitting on Gmod praying an event or an admin comes on so I can earn my shiny loot, or I can spend 5 hours playing Borderlands 2 and get all manner of shiny loot in the same 5 hours without being reliant on somebody else.

If you make your gamemode reliant on loot, then there needs to be a known way to acquire loot. A script that dynamically generated missions or spawned stuff would help. Players that knew how to passive and weren't entirely driven by loot would also help because they would be forgiving of the lack of things to do if they could make their own fun.

Putting the server up will feed the urge to play SRP on a server that TnB doesn't own. However, It'll also be down in a short while after that because people will find a fault in it and we don't have a functioning team of active admins and devs to keep things going. Our playerbase will achieve victory status within a short time, and it'll be what it was before it went down last time.

That. Everyone here is saying they want it back so bad, but it's not going to be any different from the last 47 times because there's just no way for admins to keep up with the demand for gear by themselves and the script isn't of any help.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Rarr on 21-12-2013
Mhmm, Gear,gear,gear,gear,gear. All about ze Gear
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Silver Knight on 02-05-2014
Soooo, if i put srp up tomorrow, who would play?
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: jaik on 03-05-2014
Soooo, if i put srp up tomorrow, who would play?

You could have all of my disappointment if you did do the same kind of thing over again.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Silver Knight on 04-05-2014
Soooo, if i put srp up tomorrow, who would play?

You could have all of my disappointment if you did do the same kind of thing over again.

Script works fine, same bugs back then are still present like the gui for sprint involves just - values as it uses stages.

I have tomorrow off so i can commit some time to bug fixes.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Zstan on 04-05-2014
Soooo, if i put srp up tomorrow, who would play?
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Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Blackflunk on 04-05-2014
Nah, haven't got the time. I feel like I gave it too many shots already.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Predu on 04-05-2014
I'm not going to say no or yes. But, you can basically see what the playerbase has shrunk to by just looking at the people who replied in this topic: the same people as before. If that is a sufficient playerbase to start up and maintain SRP again then , hell, I'm not going to stop you. But not being too pessimistic about it, SRP didn't start with a playerbase as large as some of the most popular RP server hosters (well I wasn't there on the starting day but I'm quite sure of this).

Oh, and hi HGN.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Zen on 04-05-2014
I made a lot of great suggestions in teamspeak as to what the next roleplay should be. I think it should be Counter Strike Global Offensive roleplay, I mean you could have Terrorists and Counter Terrorists and also Civilians which could act as hostages and there is great PVP potentional. Really I think that you should take that idea on board and tell me what you think because I think that it is a great idea. Oh and if that fails we could do Far cry 3 roleplay because that is really goooooodd!
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Knife_cz on 04-05-2014
I made a lot of great suggestions in teamspeak as to what the next roleplay should be. I think it should be Counter Strike Global Offensive roleplay, I mean you could have Terrorists and Counter Terrorists and also Civilians which could act as hostages and there is great PVP potentional. Really I think that you should take that idea on board and tell me what you think because I think that it is a great idea. Oh and if that fails we could do Far cry 3 roleplay because that is really goooooodd!
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Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Zstan on 04-05-2014
I made a lot of great suggestions in teamspeak as to what the next roleplay should be. I think it should be Counter Strike Global Offensive roleplay, I mean you could have Terrorists and Counter Terrorists and also Civilians which could act as hostages and there is great PVP potentional. Really I think that you should take that idea on board and tell me what you think because I think that it is a great idea. Oh and if that fails we could do Far cry 3 roleplay because that is really goooooodd!

no offense m8 but that sounds like shit/unfun
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: nKe on 04-05-2014
Counter Strike Global Offensive roleplay
Holy shit that was a bad suggestion.

Anyways, I would probably hop on because I don't have anything better to do.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: TheAndyShandy on 04-05-2014
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Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Silver Knight on 04-05-2014
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Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Zen on 05-05-2014
no offense m8 but that sounds like shit/unfun
Holy shit that was a bad suggestion.

Anyways, I would probably hop on because I don't have anything better to do.

I hope you realized that I was joking.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Zstan on 06-05-2014
no offense m8 but that sounds like shit/unfun
Holy shit that was a bad suggestion.

Anyways, I would probably hop on because I don't have anything better to do.

I hope you realized that I was joking.

no i can't detect sarcasm through text
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Zen on 06-05-2014
no offense m8 but that sounds like shit/unfun
Holy shit that was a bad suggestion.

Anyways, I would probably hop on because I don't have anything better to do.

I hope you realized that I was joking.

no i can't detect sarcasm through text

Pls stop.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Gonztah on 07-05-2014
I'd probably hop on I guess, depending on the state of the script and how many others were on.
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: lolKieck on 07-05-2014
no offense m8 but that sounds like shit/unfun
Holy shit that was a bad suggestion.

Anyways, I would probably hop on because I don't have anything better to do.

I hope you realized that I was joking.

no i can't detect sarcasm through text

Pls stop.
I'd ask you to do the same with your sarcasm
really
it's bad
Title: Re: SRP back?
Post by: Zen on 07-05-2014
no offense m8 but that sounds like shit/unfun
Holy shit that was a bad suggestion.

Anyways, I would probably hop on because I don't have anything better to do.

I hope you realized that I was joking.

no i can't detect sarcasm through text

Pls stop.
I'd ask you to do the same with your sarcasm
really
it's bad

This is getting bad, I can't tell who this is being directed too. I mean why cant be just all be friends?