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S.T.A.L.K.E.R Roleplay Wipe

You are voting for a partial wipe (Wiping the database) This means your gear\characters will be lost, you may remake them however.

Please vote on this, either yes/no if you want it to be wiped.

No reason to wipe, sure there are wealthy people.
But bandits will do the job..but the lack nowdays.

Quote from: knife_cz on 22-03-2012
No reason to wipe, sure there are wealthy people.
But bandits will do the job..but the lack nowdays.

You say that, but there are underlying problems such as problem being too rich and once you get that far up the ladder it gets boring for people and the economy just becomes non-existant.

I would support a wipe, but don't you think it would be best to first identify the problems with the economy so we may fix it? What exactly is causing us to have a weak economy?

Crutch of pay checks. I'll work with the admin team and traders to make it so that eventually we won't need them at all.

I voted yes for a gear & money wipe, but no reason for the characters.

/me shrugs
I have upwards of 100k rubles, 15+ rifles in my inventory + safebox, a SKAT, and an entire group of people in Sunrises.
Just on one character.
Even I want a wipe.
Stalker RP is rather stale, and I want to experience the entire thing again.
Also, no character wipe please, though.
I'd rather not be a rookie again, rather get the gear again.

I think what he meant as far as characters wipe is that we wipe the data. Not the actuall character or backstorys of said characters.

I know that the simplest wipe would be to literally wipe the SQL and make everybody create characters all over. I know that this won't affect the character, but still, It would seem kind of awkward to log on one day and say "Hey.. my name is Adam Chronovich. I'm a rookie."

I agree on gear wipe, but character wipe is not needed.

I'm not going to vote simply as myself along with some others, aren't that rich.. nor do we have the best equipment that others might have. Whatever is best to gain back SRP population, I'd say.

Wouldn't mind having a gear wipe though...

I would like gear only wipe aswell, and since its only to fix economy I dont think it would be necessary to wipe characters.
EDIT:
Maybe some big event day or two before wipe to let us enjoy last moments with our gear? :>

Well fine. Looks like there will be a wipe so I guess ill reveal some of my items lol.
290k/ILostHalfOfIt/, recon merc suit, 2x merc suit, urban merc suit, brown trenchcoat, blue sunrise.
Three goldfishes. (On my 'Knife' character only)
So yeah, the economy is somewhat screwed.

HOWEVER

I do agree to wipe all the items/money/suits
But not my character :C

Quote from: knife_cz on 22-03-2012
Well fine. Looks like there will be a wipe so I guess ill reveal some of my items lol.
290k/ILostHalfOfIt/, recon merc suit, 2x merc suit, urban merc suit, brown trenchcoat, blue sunrise.
Three goldfishes. (On my 'Knife' character only)

we don't care.

and obviously voted for yes.

Imo this sucks, it took for absolute forever for me to get from a rookie to having a modded sunrise and some good weapons. I build on my character making friends etc doing jobs and helping people. I must have played SRP for about 6 months or more now and i only have modded sunrise some guns and about 15K, that's not alot for 6 months. I'm not a bad rper and rp to a good standard with the gear i have. I don't think im a pro meat headed super soldier, i don't take lots of un needed risk and fear rp against things like blood suckers. And i'm not a item whore before someone starts saying i am, I just put lots of effort into my character and would hate to watch my whole time on SRP wiped. When FRP was wiped i was bothered then due to having a pretty good character in the outcasts which i had worked on, but i had only played FRP for a few months not as long as i've played on SRP. SRP was the first thing i played when i joined HGN 9+ months ago or so, there should be some more thought put into finding why the economy is as it is said to be than just voting on a wipe.
Not that anyone cares for my opinion or what i say.

Quote from: Lent23 on 22-03-2012
I know that the simplest wipe would be to literally wipe the SQL and make everybody create characters all over. I know that this won't affect the character, but still, It would seem kind of awkward to log on one day and say "Hey.. my name is Adam Chronovich. I'm a rookie."

This is what is going to happen, you can remake your characters after, but don't expect free gear. Auth rosters for exo's and such will be wiped too. It's a clean slate gear-wise.

Gear + Money wipe, please! Character? No thanks. Characters are why most people stay here, their peoples pride and joy. Anyhow i'll vote yes

It's like me and LE are speaking Spanish. Your gear/money/stats will be lost (because the SQL) will be cleared) you can remake your characters and continue their respective stories. Ie: not a CHARACTER wipe.

Quote from: Tom on 22-03-2012
It's like me and LE are speaking Spanish. Your gear/money/stats will be lost (because the SQL) will be cleared) you can remake your characters and continue their respective stories. Ie: not a CHARACTER wipe.

Hmm okay, sorry I just skipped the replies.

Think of the wipe as if the zone got drunk one night and everyone woke up the next day in the buff.




And I still don't know how people get so much damn cash on the server anyways. I never made it over 20k.

As for the economy. Between Equipment Sales and nearly next to no reprocussions at death, the economy slipped out of control. If you recall, I had implemented a temporary mandatory increase of the base prices a trader had to sell any and all items for, which had slowly leveled the economy back out. However, within a month span of me reversing this change the economy was back in a cest pit. So this issue has very heavily been studied and approached by the admin team, behind the scenes. This is the best course of action for the server currently.

Its because the rich get richer, and if you dont know the right people you dont get shit.

Gear wipe. The barrier to entry right now for a new player is too high because all the old players butt fuck them with the Skats and Exos and 500k rubles. If the old players/factions actually fought each other this problem would probably solve itself but it seems people are incapable of getting into fair fights and only gang up to stomp on bandit groups/newbies. A wipe might help.

Keep paychecks for STALKERs and remove them for factions to prevent Freedom from getting 50000000000000 rubles again.

Quote from: Paintcheck on 22-03-2012
Gear wipe. The barrier to entry right now for a new player is too high because all the old players butt fuck them with the Skats and Exos and 500k rubles. If the old players/factions actually fought each other this problem would probably solve itself but it seems people are incapable of getting into fair fights and only gang up to stomp on bandit groups/newbies. A wipe might help.

Keep paychecks for STALKERs and remove them for factions to prevent Freedom from getting 50000000000000 rubles again.

So how does freedom pay STALKERs for doing jobs?

As long as people still treat the wipe as a fresh start (IE your character's backstory before getting onto the server) and not just, "Hey, for some reason all our gear is gone. Lol, we should do EXACTLY WHAT WE DID BEFORE THE WIPE." Because, that ruins the creativity and originality of starting a new!

Whens this wipe happening?

Quote from: StickyWicket on 22-03-2012
As long as people still treat the wipe as a fresh start (IE your character's backstory before getting onto the server) and not just, "Hey, for some reason all our gear is gone. Lol, we should do EXACTLY WHAT WE DID BEFORE THE WIPE." Because, that ruins the creativity and originality of starting a new!

I'm keeping my character the same just making him again after wipe. Ic reasons i have no gear, I left the zone selling all my stuff before i left. I went gambling and lost all my money so I return to the zone to make money again hopefully, and because my character misses the zone, as the outside life now feels strange to him as he's acustomed to all the fighting and excitement the zone had to offer. He basicaly finds the outside life to be dull

Quote from: INA7HAN on 22-03-2012

Quote from: Paintcheck on 22-03-2012
Gear wipe. The barrier to entry right now for a new player is too high because all the old players butt fuck them with the Skats and Exos and 500k rubles. If the old players/factions actually fought each other this problem would probably solve itself but it seems people are incapable of getting into fair fights and only gang up to stomp on bandit groups/newbies. A wipe might help.

Keep paychecks for STALKERs and remove them for factions to prevent Freedom from getting 50000000000000 rubles again.

So how does freedom pay STALKERs for doing jobs?

Have an admin give the faction leader a lump sum for that every few weeks or so. This way a faction cannot paycheck farm and horde rubles/gear and shit on factions that aren't as active (which causes those factions to go more inactive due to them constantly being stomped on) because the factions would get the same amount of money to keep them equal.

Also you could adjust the value given. IE if Duty is having a hard time and Freedom has 15 active players, Freedom's lump sum would be decreased and Duty's increased so Duty could run more missions and get some more outside players.

Quote from: Paintcheck on 22-03-2012

Quote from: INA7HAN on 22-03-2012

Quote from: Paintcheck on 22-03-2012
Gear wipe. The barrier to entry right now for a new player is too high because all the old players butt fuck them with the Skats and Exos and 500k rubles. If the old players/factions actually fought each other this problem would probably solve itself but it seems people are incapable of getting into fair fights and only gang up to stomp on bandit groups/newbies. A wipe might help.

Keep paychecks for STALKERs and remove them for factions to prevent Freedom from getting 50000000000000 rubles again.

So how does freedom pay STALKERs for doing jobs?

Have an admin give the faction leader a lump sum for that every few weeks or so. This way a faction cannot paycheck farm and horde rubles/gear and shit on factions that aren't as active (which causes those factions to go more inactive due to them constantly being stomped on) because the factions would get the same amount of money to keep them equal.

Also you could adjust the value given. IE if Duty is having a hard time and Freedom has 15 active players, Freedom's lump sum would be decreased and Duty's increased so Duty could run more missions and get some more outside players.

That's a good idea

Question is what about traders that have been around for a long time and have contacts for high class equipment, Would the traders still have their teirs or is it a wipe of all rosters. Also concerning the eco's what would they lose their paychecks?

Quote from: darkzerxx on 22-03-2012
Question is what about traders that have been around for a long time and have contacts for high class equipment, Would the traders still have their teirs or is it a wipe of all rosters. Also concerning the eco's what would they lose their paychecks?

Traders is up to IronDiety and the SRP admins.

One idea thats been tossed around is giving Eco's a LARGE lump sum and giving traders 10K to start out with when they get trader.

*ecos all stroll around in exos*
"Why eellooo there stalker, come in, we have experiments."

And as for the gear, I don't entirely care, Exo or G-String your still gonna die one way or another.

Quote from: Tom on 22-03-2012

Quote from: darkzerxx on 22-03-2012
Question is what about traders that have been around for a long time and have contacts for high class equipment, Would the traders still have their teirs or is it a wipe of all rosters. Also concerning the eco's what would they lose their paychecks?

Traders is up to IronDiety and the SRP admins.

One idea thats been tossed around is giving Eco's a LARGE lump sum and giving traders 10K to start out with when they get trader.

Sounds like eco is gonna be more active now, and the traders start money is a good idea, but I will miss lions 200k... took me a year of trading...
Now for the traders, I think getting the levels sorted out and maybe give high level traders a starting a higher starting cash. that way they can afford the gear they sell.

Quote from: darkzerxx on 22-03-2012

Quote from: Tom on 22-03-2012

Quote from: darkzerxx on 22-03-2012
Question is what about traders that have been around for a long time and have contacts for high class equipment, Would the traders still have their teirs or is it a wipe of all rosters. Also concerning the eco's what would they lose their paychecks?

Traders is up to IronDiety and the SRP admins.

One idea thats been tossed around is giving Eco's a LARGE lump sum and giving traders 10K to start out with when they get trader.

Sounds like eco is gonna be more active now, and the traders start money is a good idea, but I will miss lions 200k... took me a year of trading...
Now for the traders, I think getting the levels sorted out and maybe give high level traders a starting a higher starting cash. that way they can afford the gear they sell.

Well in theory (should be practice) a trader shouldn't want to buy gear that they personally sell.

I'm fine with the wipe. Server economy seems pretty inflated as it is, even I've noticed as a rookie who joined the server 2 weeks ago that everyone seems to be rich as fuck and that sadly there are also no jobs being handed out.

Wipe it please, a fresh restart would be very nice.

Like I said, I think it should be a total restart. No one is left behind.


As in, every trader, ecologist, faction member, and stalker out there will start out as if they had just joined the game.

Quote from: StickyWicket on 22-03-2012
As in, every trader, ecologist, faction member, and stalker out there will start out as if they had just joined the game.

This is something I don't really agree with.  It's a bit annoying when you've worked on a character for a long ass time only to have its memory wiped or however you wanna put it.

Just to be clear, are you talking about gear or backstory here?

** Everybody wakes up one day and realizes.. What they had done before was all in their minds.. The Zone does mysterious things to Stalkers.. Everybody they had ever met.. The Zone had sent straight into their heads. Were they all crazy? Hell, they all came to a closed off area full of mutants and anomalies.. One can only assume..

Traders, the roster will be hacked like a slab of meat when the wipe happens. Those whom have been active and doing their roles will be reaffirmed to the roster. Do not bug Yorty or myself with "I am one of the ones being added back?", or you absolutely will not be. It is something he and I will discuss together. If you are not added back, that simply means you had not done enough, or had been to inactive to cause us to look to you as a potential, though you may reapply if you have not been blacklisted from the Trader flag.

On another note: I agree that faction paychecks need dissolved entirely and in turn, the leader be given a set 'salary' from their  factions main headquarters once a week. This should help control the major faction economic situation and keep them on a near equal field in terms of equipment grades.

Quote from: Lent23 on 22-03-2012
** Everybody wakes up one day and realizes.. What they had done before was all in their minds.. The Zone does mysterious things to Stalkers.. Everybody they had ever met.. The Zone had sent straight into their heads. Were they all crazy? Hell, they all came to a closed off area full of mutants and anomalies.. One can only assume..

my god

If you wipe the server, most players will quit stalker roleplay because they've worked so hard for all their items and now your saying your going to delete it all. People will refrain from joining if this happens. The server is empty already and if you want to do a server wipe your just sending the server to it's destruction. I don't see how this would help the regular active players want to join the server if you wipe there items/chars. They would rather just go on another srp server that isn't HGN and that is more populated and active. Donators who donated their money for rubles would lose there rubles that they bought with rubles. That's pretty fucked up. It's your server, so you should decide if it's worth losing many regular players that usually come on. New players only join because the regular ones are on the server pretty often.

Quote from: Lent23 on 22-03-2012
** Everybody wakes up one day and realizes.. What they had done before was all in their minds.. The Zone does mysterious things to Stalkers.. Everybody they had ever met.. The Zone had sent straight into their heads. Were they all crazy? Hell, they all came to a closed off area full of mutants and anomalies.. One can only assume..

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Also, why not just remove the cash and gear from all factioners, traders, and those who have extreme buttloads of cash and reduce everyone to a similar amount of funds or give out quite a bit of jobs on the day of the wipe.

Quote from: XenosLokios on 22-03-2012
If you wipe the server, most players will quit stalker roleplay because they've worked so hard for all their items and now your saying your going to delete it all. People will refrain from joining if this happens. The server is empty already and if you want to do a server wipe your just sending the server to it's destruction. I don't see how this would help the regular active players want to join the server if you wipe there items/chars. They would rather just go on another srp server that isn't HGN and that is more populated and active. Donators who donated their money for rubles would lose there rubles that they bought with rubles. That's pretty fucked up. It's your server, so you should decide if it's worth losing many regular players that usually come on. New players only join because the regular ones are on the server pretty often.

If you're only here for gear and not the roleplay, then leave. We don't want gear hunters. This is a way of weeding people like that out.
Don't buy rubles.
People will still play. People are voting for the wipe.
If you don't want to personally play, you don't have to.

Honestly, most people here seem to be okay with a wipe anyways.

Quote from: Khorn on 22-03-2012
Honestly, most people here seem to be okay with a wipe anyways.

http://www.forums.hypergamer.net/special-weapons-and-suits/fn2000-exo-and-modified-suit-roster/ (http://www.forums.hypergamer.net/special-weapons-and-suits/fn2000-exo-and-modified-suit-roster/)
People who have high tier suits want the wipe more than people that don't.
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I guess since I got a low tier suit, I should swap votes, right?

I'm somewhat against this because a lot of the SRP community will be VERY butthurt to lose everything, personally, I don't care either way making money is easy. I know of at least five people that are going to leave HGN all together if the vote passes.

Quote from: Corocan on 22-03-2012
I'm somewhat against this because a lot of the SRP community will be VERY butthurt to lose everything, personally, I don't care either way making money is easy. I know of at least five people that are going to leave HGN all together if the vote passes.

Then they're all gearhungry and very silly. The more people that leave for the sake of a wipe leaves people who are devoted to HGN who want roleplay more than items. Leaving only means that you weren't right to stay in the first place.

As put correctly by Lent, if you are here simply to get gear and try to win the game, and the wipe is going to make you mad, then theres the door. This is a place to RP and have fun, the wipe opens up new avenues for players to approach under the pure and simple fact that everyone will be on the same level with one another. If you want to win the game, go play the trilogy and knock yourself out.

Also. . . Maybe I wasn't clear about this earlier. . . BUT

We AREN'T WIPING CHARACTER BACKSTORYS/Zone experiences. Players may choose to "start fresh" and act like there characters are new. But we aren't forcing them to do so. IE: Joel Reibel will still be the same Joel Reibel after the wipe.

That being said. Please stop getting your panties in a bunch over "Losing backstorys/zone experiences" cause you aren't. You are just losing Gear/Rubles/Stats.

Quote from: Tom on 22-03-2012
Also. . . Maybe I wasn't clear about this earlier. . . BUT

We AREN'T WIPING CHARACTER BACKSTORYS/Zone experiences. Players may choose to "start fresh" and act like there characters are new. But we aren't forcing them to do so. IE: Joel Reibel will still be the same Joel Reibel after the wipe.

That being said. Please stop getting your panties in a bunch over "Losing backstorys/zone experiences" cause you aren't. You are just losing Gear/Rubles/Stats.

But...
GEAR GEAR GEAR GEAR GEAR

It just seems so fucking goofy to have all of your characters' experiences. There's no IC explanation for everyone in the fucking land to suddenly have all their material items turned into dust. And the confusion between people starting fresh and people wanting to keep all of their zone experiences with other characters will be too stupid and goofy.

Last time we had a Wipe I made a reason to lose the gear "Blowout, Dropped my gun and lost my stash of money and weapons n' stuff. Also lost my suit for X reason."

Quote from: Tom on 22-03-2012
Last time we had a Wipe I made a reason to lose the gear "Blowout, Dropped my gun and lost my stash of money and weapons n' stuff. Also lost my suit for X reason."

Suddenly, Brick loses his exo and fn2000 for the second time.

Wipes are nice.

** Bandits knock you the fuck out and take all your stuff and leave you for dead.

Happy?

BanditMonoGeddon.

Everyone wakes up with no gear, and a sore arse.

Can't it be blamed on the Ecologist Scientist working on a Project with the artifacts and anomalies, suddenly an unsuspected abject occurs which combines both substances which causes a major Psi-Wave knocking out many. After waking up, your items were looted and stolen by a stalker/bandit. You weren't exactly sure still in fact having a major hangover.

Bandits would be doing their job just fine if people didn't cry and whine and moan and bitch and sob and stall RP about losing their shiny toys until an admin shows up, someone backs them up, or they ragequit. Whatever happens first.

Plus, it's impossible to do anything bandit related on the new map. It's too small. I really dislike this map, hence my own inactivity. I liked Chernobyl more. Though, call me a hipster, but I thought Chernobyl was the best.

Quote from: Spades_Neil on 22-03-2012
Bandits would be doing their job just fine if people didn't cry and whine and moan and bitch and sob and stall RP about losing their shiny toys until an admin shows up, someone backs them up, or they ragequit. Whatever happens first.

Plus, it's impossible to do anything bandit related on the new map. It's too small. I really dislike this map, hence my own inactivity. I liked Chernobyl more. Though, call me a hipster, but I thought Chernobyl was the best.

Then why did you get so mad at me robbing people on FRP...?

Go back to the Garbage :L

Quote from: Plunger on 22-03-2012

Quote from: Spades_Neil on 22-03-2012
Bandits would be doing their job just fine if people didn't cry and whine and moan and bitch and sob and stall RP about losing their shiny toys until an admin shows up, someone backs them up, or they ragequit. Whatever happens first.

Plus, it's impossible to do anything bandit related on the new map. It's too small. I really dislike this map, hence my own inactivity. I liked Chernobyl more. Though, call me a hipster, but I thought Chernobyl was the best.

Then why did you get so mad at me robbing people on FRP...?

You don't see me trying to rob someone in front of Duty base now do you? Even if no Dutier is online. That's just silly. ICly, who would be so stupid?

I'm going to be a radical and say not only should we have a server wipe but we should change the canon either a few years back or a year ahead. That way we can restart factions and groups and traders. This way people can start tasting different kinds of roleplay.

Quote from: meetdadoom on 22-03-2012
I'm going to be a radical and say not only should we have a server wipe but we should change the canon either a few years back or a year ahead. That way we can restart factions and groups and traders. This way people can start tasting different kinds of roleplay.

That would work to mix up our servers rp a little if it weren't for the problem of their being no leaders, no traders , Ect. for the first couple days till people start apping. I say its easy to deal with the wipe if we get it sorted out first. And let the player decide if they want to start fresh or just got knocked out and stripped of everything to wake up at the cordon like you just got in zone again... Such is life in the zone.
Leading to a suggestion at the end of the voting some one post final say with new changes Ect.

Exactly, if you want to wipe you might as well make it so people do something more original and more fun.

Complete wipe + change map to garbage.

You know what, I think we should also have a canon change while we are at it.

Well one idea would be to RP it as though it is "based" on the stalker universe but not the specific canon. IE: if we do roll back, the main characters of factions, the games, ect, would be replaced with player like groups. I will explain more when I am not exhausted

I think all we need to do is either
A) Nothing in the Zone ever happened to any of our characters. We can still have the same characters, the same personalities, but they don't have the experiences
B) Jump forward or back in time a bit...
  a) with memories
  b) without memories

We should have a closure sort of event before this wipe if anything.
EDIT: Or a dm fest.

Quote from: Steven :D on 23-03-2012
We should have a closure sort of event before this wipe if anything.
EDIT: Or a dm fest.

Russian Rap disco + helicopters + guns :D?

Quote from: ThY on 23-03-2012

Quote from: Steven :D on 23-03-2012
We should have a closure sort of event before this wipe if anything.
EDIT: Or a dm fest.

Russian Rap disco + helicopters + guns :D?

Tots

Quote from: ThY on 23-03-2012

Quote from: Steven :D on 23-03-2012
We should have a closure sort of event before this wipe if anything.
EDIT: Or a dm fest.

Russian Rap disco + helicopters + guns :D?

I was thinking of a large stk fight. Everybody versus a gigantic monolith squad.

PK mode on.

Quote from: Spades_Neil on 22-03-2012

Quote from: Plunger on 22-03-2012

Quote from: Spades_Neil on 22-03-2012
Bandits would be doing their job just fine if people didn't cry and whine and moan and bitch and sob and stall RP about losing their shiny toys until an admin shows up, someone backs them up, or they ragequit. Whatever happens first.

Plus, it's impossible to do anything bandit related on the new map. It's too small. I really dislike this map, hence my own inactivity. I liked Chernobyl more. Though, call me a hipster, but I thought Chernobyl was the best.

Then why did you get so mad at me robbing people on FRP...?

You don't see me trying to rob someone in front of Duty base now do you? Even if no Dutier is online. That's just silly. ICly, who would be so stupid?

Blake seems to think it's very IC, considering he backed a guy who robbed me in the Duty's Bar.

But along the topic, I don't think we should have IC reason made FOR us why we lost our gear, instead let us make our own.

Quote from: Corocan on 23-03-2012

Quote from: Spades_Neil on 22-03-2012

Quote from: Plunger on 22-03-2012

Quote from: Spades_Neil on 22-03-2012
Bandits would be doing their job just fine if people didn't cry and whine and moan and bitch and sob and stall RP about losing their shiny toys until an admin shows up, someone backs them up, or they ragequit. Whatever happens first.

Plus, it's impossible to do anything bandit related on the new map. It's too small. I really dislike this map, hence my own inactivity. I liked Chernobyl more. Though, call me a hipster, but I thought Chernobyl was the best.

Then why did you get so mad at me robbing people on FRP...?

You don't see me trying to rob someone in front of Duty base now do you? Even if no Dutier is online. That's just silly. ICly, who would be so stupid?

Blake seems to think it's very IC, considering he backed a guy who robbed me in the Duty's Bar.

But along the topic, I don't think we should have IC reason made FOR us why we lost our gear, instead let us make our own.

Someone seems angry they got bandited.

Quote from: Steven :D on 23-03-2012

Quote from: Corocan on 23-03-2012

Quote from: Spades_Neil on 22-03-2012

Quote from: Plunger on 22-03-2012

Quote from: Spades_Neil on 22-03-2012
Bandits would be doing their job just fine if people didn't cry and whine and moan and bitch and sob and stall RP about losing their shiny toys until an admin shows up, someone backs them up, or they ragequit. Whatever happens first.

Plus, it's impossible to do anything bandit related on the new map. It's too small. I really dislike this map, hence my own inactivity. I liked Chernobyl more. Though, call me a hipster, but I thought Chernobyl was the best.

Then why did you get so mad at me robbing people on FRP...?

You don't see me trying to rob someone in front of Duty base now do you? Even if no Dutier is online. That's just silly. ICly, who would be so stupid?

Blake seems to think it's very IC, considering he backed a guy who robbed me in the Duty's Bar.

But along the topic, I don't think we should have IC reason made FOR us why we lost our gear, instead let us make our own.

Someone seems angry they got bandited.

Someone seems exosuit that they got donate money

Quote from: Lent23 on 23-03-2012
Someone seems exosuit that they got donate money

Offtopic and incorrect.

I still think we should go out with a bang before the wipe, any other ideas?

Duty and Freedom clash, Monolith is harassing stalkers and the army is flying around in choppers shooting anything that moves.

I'm waiting...

Quote from: Steven :D on 23-03-2012

Quote from: Corocan on 23-03-2012

Quote from: Spades_Neil on 22-03-2012

Quote from: Plunger on 22-03-2012

Quote from: Spades_Neil on 22-03-2012
Bandits would be doing their job just fine if people didn't cry and whine and moan and bitch and sob and stall RP about losing their shiny toys until an admin shows up, someone backs them up, or they ragequit. Whatever happens first.

Plus, it's impossible to do anything bandit related on the new map. It's too small. I really dislike this map, hence my own inactivity. I liked Chernobyl more. Though, call me a hipster, but I thought Chernobyl was the best.

Then why did you get so mad at me robbing people on FRP...?

You don't see me trying to rob someone in front of Duty base now do you? Even if no Dutier is online. That's just silly. ICly, who would be so stupid?

Blake seems to think it's very IC, considering he backed a guy who robbed me in the Duty's Bar.

But along the topic, I don't think we should have IC reason made FOR us why we lost our gear, instead let us make our own.

Someone seems angry they got bandited.

That'd be clever if it weren't so off topic.

If we go back in time we will then have an excuse. Like back in CS time or either further in time like in CoP time.

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Quote from: meetdadoom on 23-03-2012
If we go back in time we will then have an excuse. Like back in CS time or either further in time like in CoP time.

This is specifically what people want to avoid.

We're removing our gear because our economy is more out of whack than Last Exile's sexuality, not our experiences.

You can take my gear, but when you take my history and wipe it, that's where I draw the line.

when did we ever mention removing/wiping characters' backstories...

Quote from: Corocan on 24-03-2012

Quote from: meetdadoom on 23-03-2012
If we go back in time we will then have an excuse. Like back in CS time or either further in time like in CoP time.

This is specifically what people want to avoid.

We're removing our gear because our economy is more out of whack than Last Exile's sexuality, not our experiences.

You can take my gear, but when you take my history and wipe it, that's where I draw the line.

My sexuality is just fine. I like women, that's all there is too it.

Comeoon wipe dat shit already.

Wiping character backstories/stories would be by choice.

Unless we the admins decide otherwise.

Huge event to end SRP before wipe. People start getting rumours about a huge mutant wave coming in from the scorcher. Everyone puts aside there differences like Duty and Freeomd, bandits etc and all regroup on one location where the last stand is held. It would be most likely at Duty the last stand would be. The mutants would move down from the barrier killing everything in it's path. The military would try to escape by helicopter due to them thinking the mutant wave would kill all Stalkers etc. After the huge event we get wipe and the timeline is forwarded by 5 years or so when STALKERS return to the zone to seek their fortunes again. Previous characters and backstories can still be used but the character would be 5 years older. Just an idea to finish off before wipe. 

Quote from: INA7HAN on 24-03-2012
Huge event to end SRP before wipe. People start getting rumours about a huge mutant wave coming in from the scorcher. Everyone puts aside there differences like Duty and Freeomd, bandits etc and all regroup on one location where the last stand is held. It would be most likely at Duty the last stand would be. The mutants would move down from the barrier killing everything in it's path. The military would try to escape by helicopter due to them thinking the mutant wave would kill all Stalkers etc. After the huge event we get wipe and the timeline is forwarded by 5 years or so when STALKERS return to the zone to seek their fortunes again. Previous characters and backstories can still be used but the character would be 5 years older. Just an idea to finish off before wipe. 

And everyone just left all their stuff home before returning to zone?

Quote from: Nik3 on 24-03-2012

Quote from: INA7HAN on 24-03-2012
Huge event to end SRP before wipe. People start getting rumours about a huge mutant wave coming in from the scorcher. Everyone puts aside there differences like Duty and Freeomd, bandits etc and all regroup on one location where the last stand is held. It would be most likely at Duty the last stand would be. The mutants would move down from the barrier killing everything in it's path. The military would try to escape by helicopter due to them thinking the mutant wave would kill all Stalkers etc. After the huge event we get wipe and the timeline is forwarded by 5 years or so when STALKERS return to the zone to seek their fortunes again. Previous characters and backstories can still be used but the character would be 5 years older. Just an idea to finish off before wipe. 

And everyone just left all their stuff home before returning to zone?

Sold it all off to afford living outside the Zone?

Either they lost it, sold it to someone to escape the zone or sold it for money to buy your way out of the zone.

Quote from: INA7HAN on 24-03-2012
Either they lost it, sold it to someone to escape the zone or sold it for money to buy your way out of the zone.

Or just wipe everything.

Holy shit where is the fucking problem in all this?

Theres going to be a wipe because people like me and others are up the ass richer than some factions and its completely dull.

There won't be any character wipes regarding back stories or experiences. We've had this a million times over and there has never been a problem with gear. You just regard it as normal. Suits get broken, guns get jammed, gear is lost in anomalies, you get robbed. If you are that hurt or offended by the fact you are going to have to work for it, then go RP shopping for another SRP server. We will all be in the same boat and working to get our scraps.

This will be better because!
1) Bandits will be more active because they want to get richer
2) People won't be curb stomped into the ground the second they try to oppose another PBG with FN's and Exos
3) Mutants will actually be scary and not blown away by 20 eliminators
4) Older SRP players will probably come back to seek the thrill that was there when we used to play stalker RP
5) You actually have somthing to work for again, not just how to spend the 1,000,000 rubles I have saved in my pocket.

As for factions, I already voiced my opinion with the other admins, and hopefully they will get X amount of rubles per week or month.

As for the canon, I don't know but we'll probably keep it as.

Im going to blast every last person through a spacial ripfield, in which the quantum polarity will dissolve any and all physical, non-biological equipment and drop you off back in time... by one second. /Done.

Quote from: irondeity on 24-03-2012
Im going to blast every last person through a spacial ripfield, in which the quantum polarity will dissolve any and all physical, non-biological equipment and drop you off back in time... by one second. /Done.

Nice, I say lets do thew wipe now. Srp is dead as a brick cause people are waiting on wipe(Which makes no sence, you can still rp and gain exprinces) so why not do it today.

Quote from: irondeity on 24-03-2012
Im going to blast every last person through a spacial ripfield, in which the quantum polarity will dissolve any and all physical, non-biological equipment and drop you off back in time... by one second. /Done.

Mike Tyson is already booked for the entire week. Sorry.

Quote from: darkzerxx on 24-03-2012

Quote from: irondeity on 24-03-2012
Im going to blast every last person through a spacial ripfield, in which the quantum polarity will dissolve any and all physical, non-biological equipment and drop you off back in time... by one second. /Done.

Nice, I say lets do thew wipe now. Srp is dead as a brick cause people are waiting on wipe(Which makes no sence, you can still rp and gain exprinces) so why not do it today.

Admins need to prepare things for post-wipe so the economy isn't fucked out of all proportions.

Quote from: Lent23 on 24-03-2012

Quote from: darkzerxx on 24-03-2012

Quote from: irondeity on 24-03-2012
Im going to blast every last person through a spacial ripfield, in which the quantum polarity will dissolve any and all physical, non-biological equipment and drop you off back in time... by one second. /Done.

Nice, I say lets do thew wipe now. Srp is dead as a brick cause people are waiting on wipe(Which makes no sence, you can still rp and gain exprinces) so why not do it today.

Admins need to prepare things for post-wipe so the economy isn't fucked out of all proportions.

That's gonna be fun.

Rumor has it paychecks are being disabled. Anyone know about this?

Quote from: Spades_Neil on 24-03-2012
Rumor has it paychecks are being disabled. Anyone know about this?

It's definently something being considered. In deeper thought there are much more benifits than the old system, although in light thought it seems like a radical change.

Wipe it, just change the map after you do it so its not the exact same thing.

I'd like to see some action on sector 42, it's simply perfect.

I'm not sure though...

Quote from: StickyWicket on 24-03-2012
I'd like to see some action on sector 42, it's simply perfect.

iirc the reasons we stopped using it was cause it was huge and also iirc people had troubles rendering it.

Quote from: ThY on 24-03-2012

Quote from: Spades_Neil on 24-03-2012
Rumor has it paychecks are being disabled. Anyone know about this?

It's definently something being considered. In deeper thought there are much more benifits than the old system, although in light thought it seems like a radical change.

Pro: That would force admins to be constantly involved in the economy.
Con: That would force admins to be constantly involved in the economy.

Could go good or bad. We'll see.

inb4 Only people with whitelists advance in the stalker economy because we start with


GEAR GEAR GEAR GEAR

Quote from: Spades_Neil on 24-03-2012

Quote from: ThY on 24-03-2012

Quote from: Spades_Neil on 24-03-2012
Rumor has it paychecks are being disabled. Anyone know about this?

It's definently something being considered. In deeper thought there are much more benifits than the old system, although in light thought it seems like a radical change.

Pro: That would force admins to be constantly involved in the economy.
Con: That would force admins to be constantly involved in the economy.

Could go good or bad. We'll see.

Once enough money is in the economy, it will roll fluently by itself IF there are active traders, money will be more valuable and fairer on players who can't go on for hours upon end eating paychecks. Infact one of the only ways this could not work is if admins insert too much cash into the economy. Once its started to work by itself, we will need to just moniter it.

Quote from: ThY on 24-03-2012

Quote from: Spades_Neil on 24-03-2012

Quote from: ThY on 24-03-2012

Quote from: Spades_Neil on 24-03-2012
Rumor has it paychecks are being disabled. Anyone know about this?

It's definently something being considered. In deeper thought there are much more benifits than the old system, although in light thought it seems like a radical change.

Pro: That would force admins to be constantly involved in the economy.
Con: That would force admins to be constantly involved in the economy.

Could go good or bad. We'll see.

Once enough money is in the economy, it will roll fluently by itself IF there are active traders, money will be more valuable and fairer on players who can't go on for hours upon end eating paychecks. Infact one of the only ways this could not work is if admins insert too much cash into the economy. Once its started to work by itself, we will need to just moniter it.

My main concern is what happens when money disappears from the economy. People hoard, people lose stuff, people break stuff, the other way it could backfire is if money just starts disappearing from the economy.

The Federal Reserve in the real world gives extra cash money to places that don't have enough in circulation. I could easily get into the politics of it, like why the Gold Standard failed, and why it is relevant here. If the amount of money in the economy is permanently limited, it'll mess things up.

T-menu destroys money. That counteracts the paychecks bringing money into the economy. If you want to get rid of paychecks, get rid of official traders too because otherwise I see the market going in the opposite direction of hyper deflation.

There is no way to fix the issue of inflation because the player base won't tolerate it. Trying to get bandits to work as item destroying entities to keep people from getting super rich fails every time because they get metagamed or stomped on by the combined entire server whenever they show up. Trying to have events where gear is lost/destroyed doesn't work because again the players won't allow it.

We should go back to the Cakescript days where inventories didn't save (well they sometimes did but it was a crapshoot) and there were a shit ton of flags that spawned with guns. Sure that made high end gear exceedingly rare (you know, like it SHOULD BE) because people would lose everything in their inventory periodically but it also kept the factions balanced because their soldiers spawned with mid tier suits and guns (and because they spawned with them there was no fear about losing STK fights because they'd jsut spawn with them again) and things were generally better.

Of course as Crussaria has shown us most Gmod players won't play if they can't horde gear and "win" at the game. So basically because none of the ways to actually fix the economy will be allowed by the selfish crybabies that make up most of the player base the best you can hope for is to slow the process immensely. Which creates its own set of problems as jobs and gear becomes super scarce to cut down on inflation, driving new players away who quickly get bored when thye can't have gear.

If you want to fix the economy, get a player base that cares about roleplay and not items. Since that is impossible for the average Gmod user, I would suggest not worrying about it. It's not fixable. I still voted for a wipe but I guarantee you in 6 months-1 year from now we will be right back to this same exact discussion. Because that has happened every single time a wipe has also.

Quote from: Paintcheck on 24-03-2012
If you want to fix the economy, get a player base that cares about roleplay and not items. Since that is impossible for the average Gmod user, I would suggest not worrying about it. It's not fixable. I still voted for a wipe but I guarantee you in 6 months-1 year from now we will be right back to this same exact discussion. Because that has happened every single time a wipe has also.

Back in my day, people roleplayed by the PAGE and it was all text! They had no fancy modern G-mods! We had a keyboard and a chat room and that's if we were lucky! Back in my day there was no gear! There wa'dn't no economy-mumbo-jumbo! Kids these days and their gawddamn GEAR!

... I feel old now.

Quote from: Spades_Neil on 24-03-2012

Quote from: Paintcheck on 24-03-2012
If you want to fix the economy, get a player base that cares about roleplay and not items. Since that is impossible for the average Gmod user, I would suggest not worrying about it. It's not fixable. I still voted for a wipe but I guarantee you in 6 months-1 year from now we will be right back to this same exact discussion. Because that has happened every single time a wipe has also.

Back in my day, people roleplayed by the PAGE and it was all text! They had no fancy modern G-mods! We had a keyboard and a chat room and that's if we were lucky! Back in my day there was no gear! There wa'dn't no economy-mumbo-jumbo! Kids these days and their gawddamn GEAR!

... I feel old now.

Yeah...chat box RP...that's what you did..sure (http://ttff.wikia.com/wiki/Spades_Neil)..

Quote from: Plunger on 24-03-2012

Quote from: Spades_Neil on 24-03-2012

Quote from: Paintcheck on 24-03-2012
If you want to fix the economy, get a player base that cares about roleplay and not items. Since that is impossible for the average Gmod user, I would suggest not worrying about it. It's not fixable. I still voted for a wipe but I guarantee you in 6 months-1 year from now we will be right back to this same exact discussion. Because that has happened every single time a wipe has also.

Back in my day, people roleplayed by the PAGE and it was all text! They had no fancy modern G-mods! We had a keyboard and a chat room and that's if we were lucky! Back in my day there was no gear! There wa'dn't no economy-mumbo-jumbo! Kids these days and their gawddamn GEAR!

... I feel old now.

Yeah...chat box RP...that's what you did..sure (http://ttff.wikia.com/wiki/Spades_Neil)..

I bet you don't even know what the word 'novella' means in terms of roleplay. I'd be hard pressed to find someone with the attention span to even write that much for a storyline, much less have it make sense or not.

Spawn with gear = people aren't afraid to die = no fear RP.

Not to say that Gear is needed to roleplay, but sometimes Gear breeds Roleplay, just a Roleplay breeds gear.

It's an endless struggle.

The wipe has now happened, it's all fresh and waiting for stalkers to return to the zone.

Damn it. I was going to run into Server 2, drop all my shit, wait for the wipe, grab all my shit, and log on as richest STALKER ever.

Honestly not sure if that would have worked though. Something about wiping item entities too? I forget. I'm betting I'd just have come back and found nothing.

Quote from: Lent23 on 25-03-2012
Spawn with gear = people aren't afraid to die = no fear RP.

Not to say that Gear is needed to roleplay, but sometimes Gear breeds Roleplay, just a Roleplay breeds gear.

It's an endless struggle.

No one fear RPs as it is so that's not a big loss. It would fix this issue of the factions never doing anything except standing around because they are too afraid of losing their shit.

Also Spades don't start a pissing contest in threads. I was going to lock it last night but I figured it would probably continue since you can unlock/post in locked topics.