Semi Asspulled guns, gear etc

[Lucidius]

People don't understand the concept of;

"Going to the zone for 'riches'"

You go there, you get your money, you leave. Nothing binds you to stay, and as a trader, if you have bajillions of dollars, why would you keep putting your self at risk just so you can get more money if you can just fucking retire, get out of the zone and not have to deal with bullshit?

'Master Stalkers', generally you make enouh money that if you sold your shit and left, you'de buy a house, and have bills payed off for a while, so why the fuck do you still stick around? I mean it's nice ot be LOLUBER in your guy but ICly people should have goals in the one and shouldn't stick around without reason, it's completely irrational.

[Locke]

I agree, if I was rich enough to afford a prototype exosuit, I would sell it and go retire in Nebraska :V

[Dutch]

Actually, guys, one million rubles is only 38,130 USD. That's hardly enough to buy a good house and spend the rest of your life in luxury.

Just pointing out that rubles are work less than toilet paper.
And I never roleplay that my exosuit is invulnerable. Often if I get shot, the exosuit is torn to shreds in the area of impact. As it should be.

[Y4L]

Too many rosters as is. Agreed with ass pulling though.

as for "shitty flak jackets", I have a replica MOLLE carrier IRL, costed like 85 dollars, and it can use real kevlar plates (not that i'de ever RP carring it over into SRP), just figured i'de mention it's not absolutely impossible.

Yeah, but keep in mind that you live in a developed western nation (I assume) where as these people are living in a 3rd world ex Warsaw Pact nation where the prices are increased further because of all the bribes you'd have to make to smuggle things in.

[Steel]

What bugs me about having an upgrade roster or whatever is that it ruins the atmosphere a bit since everyone would be like "Lawl I has American everything!" and apply for it. In the STALKER games there was a feeling of desperation because your gear was worn, your gun was rusty, and you had to really struggle to make it through the day. I think a lot of that atmosphere is lost when everyone and their brother is kitted out like a fucking Navy SEAL.

If it was to happen tho, we could make them expensive, and there would be a list of available choices you could do, so no random american spec ops navy seals super soldier shit.

And whilst we are on the subject of ass pulled shit... What about these Ass pulled bases people make?
There should be RP in getting the parts. I mean factions can be excused to an extent, but we have fortifications like normandy popping out of noware.

[Welek]

People don't understand the concept of;

"Going to the zone for 'riches'"

You go there, you get your money, you leave. Nothing binds you to stay, and as a trader, if you have bajillions of dollars, why would you keep putting your self at risk just so you can get more money if you can just fucking retire, get out of the zone and not have to deal with bullshit?

'Master Stalkers', generally you make enouh money that if you sold your shit and left, you'de buy a house, and have bills payed off for a while, so why the fuck do you still stick around? I mean it's nice ot be LOLUBER in your guy but ICly people should have goals in the one and shouldn't stick around without reason, it's completely irrational.

Have you never played Stalker? I remember very clearly it saying.
"You got stuck here, I got stuck here all I want to do is go home."
Probably meaning they can't leave?

[Steel]

And also "The Other world didnt want me, but this one did"
Alot of stalkers arent there by choice, they had nowhere else to turn in the real world.

[Dutch]

And whilst we are on the subject of ass pulled shit... What about these Ass pulled bases people make?
There should be RP in getting the parts. I mean factions can be excused to an extent, but we have fortifications like normandy popping out of noware.

What are you talking about? In real life, I can walk outside and snap my fingers, and a bunker drops from the sky, it's pretty cool.

[Paintcheck]

Yeah Jackal you mean you can't do that in real life? Hmm your tooltrust must be broken. Talk to an admin, they'll get you fixed up.

Asspulled bases aka Doomforts bother me but I haven't seen too many of them. I don't think people need to necessarily RP finding every piece of scrap that goes into their base but some restraint is nice. Most bases I've seen are fine.

[Joemoma]

I completely agree, i saw a guy with "Sunrise Suit" in his title, he did not have a sunrise suit, i mean, WTF? what a bunch of bull he was shittin'.

[Lucidius]

People don't understand the concept of;

"Going to the zone for 'riches'"

You go there, you get your money, you leave. Nothing binds you to stay, and as a trader, if you have bajillions of dollars, why would you keep putting your self at risk just so you can get more money if you can just fucking retire, get out of the zone and not have to deal with bullshit?

'Master Stalkers', generally you make enouh money that if you sold your shit and left, you'de buy a house, and have bills payed off for a while, so why the fuck do you still stick around? I mean it's nice ot be LOLUBER in your guy but ICly people should have goals in the one and shouldn't stick around without reason, it's completely irrational.

Have you never played Stalker? I remember very clearly it saying.
"You got stuck here, I got stuck here all I want to do is go home."
Probably meaning they can't leave?

The ones who arn't criminals hiding from the authority in the zone, or have no jobs and are trying to make money.

Not everyone is 'stuck in the zone', but a bit of money goes a long way in around russia, the entire government is corrupt. Look at the captured Captain (think it was him), in CS. He talks about how the military expect him to risk his life for jack shit (shitty pay) "for the mother land", so he decided he'de co-operate with people in the zone abit to make a bit of money.

If you check humanitarian videos about Russia's health care, you have to BRIDGE nurses to bring you feed, change your colostomy bag, etc. That alone shows how deep the corruption runs. Money Talks, and it talks enough to get a new ID, a new life.

You guys make it sound like, they're thrown in there and the military won't let them out, or that they have no choice, when your RP alone defines the choises people make and how people act which makes your argument pretty moot.

"The other world didn't want me, but this one did". Assuming it's on about the whole, no education and operating weapons and mugging people doesn't require a diploma.

[Locke]

I have a PhD in armed robbery.

[Zarrick]

I think any upgrades should be admin auth from now on, you either pay from it and employ CRAFTSMAN to upgrade it or you dont do it at all, can we please get this into effect?!

[Y4L]

People don't understand the concept of;

"Going to the zone for 'riches'"

You go there, you get your money, you leave. Nothing binds you to stay, and as a trader, if you have bajillions of dollars, why would you keep putting your self at risk just so you can get more money if you can just fucking retire, get out of the zone and not have to deal with bullshit?

'Master Stalkers', generally you make enouh money that if you sold your shit and left, you'de buy a house, and have bills payed off for a while, so why the fuck do you still stick around? I mean it's nice ot be LOLUBER in your guy but ICly people should have goals in the one and shouldn't stick around without reason, it's completely irrational.

Have you never played Stalker? I remember very clearly it saying.
"You got stuck here, I got stuck here all I want to do is go home."
Probably meaning they can't leave?

The ones who arn't criminals hiding from the authority in the zone, or have no jobs and are trying to make money.

Not everyone is 'stuck in the zone', but a bit of money goes a long way in around russia, the entire government is corrupt. Look at the captured Captain (think it was him), in CS. He talks about how the military expect him to risk his life for jack shit (shitty pay) "for the mother land", so he decided he'de co-operate with people in the zone abit to make a bit of money.

If you check humanitarian videos about Russia's health care, you have to BRIDGE nurses to bring you feed, change your colostomy bag, etc. That alone shows how deep the corruption runs. Money Talks, and it talks enough to get a new ID, a new life.

You guys make it sound like, they're thrown in there and the military won't let them out, or that they have no choice, when your RP alone defines the choises people make and how people act which makes your argument pretty moot.

"The other world didn't want me, but this one did". Assuming it's on about the whole, no education and operating weapons and mugging people doesn't require a diploma.

But stalker isn't set in Russia, and whilst I imagine the situation can't be that much worse in Ukraine, it's not going to be that easy to simply bribe your way out of killing a police officer. The people you'd have to bribe would probably be friends of the deceased, so you can imagine how well that would go down...

[Skillkill]

Ah but the coin has two sides. It's just as easy to pay to get someone killed and with larger bank accounts, someone can limit your safety zone to...well the Zone. You say it's possible to get a fake ID and get a new life, but this falls apart when a strong enough preventative back-story is played such as, MY FATHER IS AN EVIL PERSUN WHO HAZ LOTS OF MUNNY HUR HUR HUR, and while that may sound like a cheap cop out, considering the fact that most people capable of hunting you down can pay, or intimidate way better than a single or a small group of stalkers could, I'm pretty sure you're stuck regardless of how badly written your character's reason for being in the zone is. Plus you can't really bribe your way out if the people you pissed off already work outside the law, such as mobsters or really really messed up sociopaths. Having worked in real estate as a secretary for my mother, I know that once you find out someone's name, and get access to a computer you know everything you need to track them in the US and since once you enter the Zone you're pretty likely to make even more enemies, the cycle is never ending if you tick off the wrong people....Alot.

As for the main topic I'm like....ghh...this is stupid.  Shouldn't there only be like...you know...salvageable and reliable weapons considering how rare working parts are in the Zone and how rarely they're reintroduced? It doesn't make any sense at all. Not to mention weight should be an issue as well. The average soldier doesn't NORMALLY have to gunfight with SATAN, and I'd imagine that having an extra six pounds of AWESUM on your gun, and a stiff exosuit made entirely of STEEL wouldn't help it's efficiency too much when trying to pry it out of a Bloodsucker's hands. I honestly thought Strelok's mid-grade suit, hair pin trigger AK modification, and standard combat knife were really optimal for surviving in the Zone. Anything lighter was stupid and anything heavier was unsafe and too clumsy to work with. I think we've all played the game enough to corroborate that the Exo Stalkers and the Bandits represented those extremes quite nicely.

[Tom]

I useally call un-neccasary equipment "Tacticool" gear. (AKA Holo dot sight) or a Modified Rookie Jacket (Yes I have seen this 0_0) But seriously can we get off the subject of "IC logic will tell you to leave the zone" and back to the main subject of random STALKERS pulling out "Tacticool" Navy SEAL gear?

[Zstan]

Modified Rookie Jacket

How the fuck is that even possible?! What do you do add a extra pocket?

It's a leather jacket for christ's sake.

[Torch]

Modified Rookie Jacket

How the fuck is that even possible?! What do you do add a extra pocket?

It's a leather jacket for christ's sake.

Water proofing.
Fur Liner on the inside.
Built in Pez dispenser?
The possibilities are endless...

[Lucidius]

Modified Rookie Jacket

How the fuck is that even possible?!

Bandit Jacket.

Also, Ukraine became a part of the russian whatever the fuck in the STALKER universe.

[JihadiAllah]

You guys have apparently never been in Texas half this shit u can get at the local flee market i can buy "civilian" 203s that shoot 40mm flares and just buy the 40mm grenade shells and load them myself i have several tactical gear vests some of which are straight from the now aday military i bought each vest for maybe 20 bucks... lol yall really need to visit the south..

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8742/p1020013z.jpg

that gun i nthe middle is a fully moded FAL bought the orriginal gun for 300 bucks and just simple bought quad rails and a sight for another 200 this shit is extremly cheap...Military surplus stores are very abundant and can get half this gear yall are saying is super expensive.. that vest they use in iraq? is like 250 bucks down the road at the store.. same exact vest..all is needed it steel plates..that small riffle on the right is a 22 caliber rifle fluted threaded barrel that can fit a silencer which are extremely easy to make.. this gear is very very easy to get a hold of..why the fuck do u think the term "Dont mess with Texas" comes from. lol its great right..
http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/4906/p1020014rr.jpg

same gasmask the army uses in recruit training

[Paintcheck]

STALKER takes place in the Ukraine not the US. The US has a gun culture and lots of firearms manufacturers. The Ukraine does not. Army surplus stores exist, sure but what you'd find in them would be Russian surplus, NOT top end Eagle Industries CIRAS gear and EOtech Holosights. Which is the point I am making, that the ultra modern US gear that some players have been asspulling would be either too expensive or flat out not available.

$250 isn't a lot for a US citizen, it is a lot for a Ukranian. if you are in the Zone you are likely poor and can't afford that. 

[Steel]

You guys have apparently never been in Texas half this shit u can get at the local flee market i can buy "civilian" 203s that shoot 40mm flares and just buy the 40mm grenade shells and load them myself i have several tactical gear vests some of which are straight from the now aday military i bought each vest for maybe 20 bucks... lol yall really need to visit the south..

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8742/p1020013z.jpg

that gun i nthe middle is a fully moded FAL bought the orriginal gun for 300 bucks and just simple bought quad rails and a sight for another 200 this shit is extremly cheap...Military surplus stores are very abundant and can get half this gear yall are saying is super expensive.. that vest they use in iraq? is like 250 bucks down the road at the store.. same exact vest..all is needed it steel plates..that small riffle on the right is a 22 caliber rifle fluted threaded barrel that can fit a silencer which are extremely easy to make.. this gear is very very easy to get a hold of..why the fuck do u think the term "Dont mess with Texas" comes from. lol its great right..
http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/4906/p1020014rr.jpg

same gasmask the army uses in recruit training

Have you ever played Stalker before?
This isnt texas RP.
As paint has just pointed out exactly, this stuff isnt available in the Ukraine!

Not to mention if it WAS smuggled in, it would cost a hell of alot more than the original price.

[Austin]

-sighs- FAIL JIHADI.. I'm sorry but think dude D: ... Texas is.. Well Texas. Of course they has shit tons of gunz <3. Btw! I like this idea.. It would be cool if a system was put in place.. Scavengers and craftsmen and shit.. I would love too be a craftsmen ^.^. And then there could be scavengers that go to the garbage and look through the old houses and the train yard and shit and look for parts and then can sell them to traders who can sell them to the Craftsmen or they could just sell right too them. Then people could come too the craftsmen and get there shit upgraded.. Give em your vest or whatever and they take it for a few minutes/hours/days depending on the upgrade and then he upgrades it with parts he got from salvagers or traders and then you give it back too the guy and get payed! :D.. Of course these upgrades won't come cheap aaaand there needs to be a list compiled of what can be made.. Maybe some of these engineers can also be tinkerers of whatever and they can invent new upgrades with salvage (Of course they would run it by admins) and it would be added to the list... Maybe one day it could be actually added. A flag.. Like.. Novice engineer, exp, vet, master and whatever else.. Considering they were in the games I'm sure.. And if not, who gives a damn? They had too be in the Zone somewhere. Some of the guns were made in the Zone. And then there could be parts that could have random spawns or whatever that could be salvaged and sold, which can then be used (Like I said) by engineers in an upgrade menu.. So yeah. My first idea pitch... Oh and HAI :D I'm kind of new if you didn't notice from my post count.. Heh.. >>

[Austin]

Proof that it can be done..! I was just messing around in the server.. This is what I came up with :D

: ** Lorein Honiah starts to rummage through the scrap.. Looking for possible salvage
Lorein Honiah rolls the dice, getting 51
** Lorein Honiah finds some scrap metal
Lorein Honiah: Ooo.. Looky here. 

** Lorein Honiah pokes his head through the window, looking
for salvage
** Lorein Honiah rummages
Lorein Honiah rolls the dice, getting 36
: ** Lorein Honiah finds nothing of value
** Lorein Honiah sighs

Lorein Honiah: Ooh baby.. Nice.
** Lorein Honiah climbs into the bed of the truck**
Lorein Honiah looks over the bed for anything of value
Lorein Honiah rolls the dice, getting 88
** Lorein Honiah finds a few pieces of scrap metal

** Lorein Honiah pops the hood, looking for more parts
Lorein Honiah rolls the dice, getting 9
** Lorein Honiah finds nothing, the truck totally stripped of parts under the hood
Lorein Honiah: God damnit..

** Lorein Honiah pulls off the switch board on the generator,
looking for possible parts
Lorein Honiah rolls the dice, getting 18
** Lorein Honiah sighs, finding nothing

** Lorein Honiah searches for salvage
Lorein Honiah rolls the dice, getting 65
** Lorein Honiah finds some scrap metal

** Lorein Honiah Searches for salvage
Lorein Honiah rolls the dice, getting 85
** Lorein Honiah finds another piece of scrap metal and a piece of metal tubing
(Since I got a higher number I have myself two items.. I suppose it could be more then 80 could be two items, a perfect one hundred could be 3?)
Lorein Honiah: Awesome..

** Lorein Honiah works on the Makarov.. Adding a slightly extended barel
** Lorein Honiah smiles, picking up the modified weapon.. Happy with his work
Lorein Honiah | |HGN| Austin [LOOC]: Hmm.. Or maybe a roll could be done for actually modifing it as well...?

So yeah.. It's a roll of 50+ for trains/junks/etc. Each part can be salvaged once. If the car obviously has nothing under the hood then it can't be salvaged. Fully built things such as stoves etc are  a 35 or 40+ chance.. I wasn't sure exactly.. And then actually applying the upgrade has to be done by a DESIGNATED engineer.. Who takes your equipment, takes the salvage needed and then upgrades it :3. Upgrading can of course be another roll but idk how it would be calculated.. Maybe it could be more than one roll depending on the upgrade/level of the engineer and then a certain number has too be reached.. So like.. An Exo suit upgrade may need like.. 250+. Obviously a rookie engineer can't get that because he can only roll one time. Get it?

[Paintcheck]

That's good RP right there and a decent idea although I think rolling might be a little too much lol.

It's not the homemade mods that bother me it's the over the top stuff I've seen people with. Homemade, cobbled together stuff is fine although it would be nice if not every character knew how to make everything themselves.