Semi Asspulled guns, gear etc

[Paintcheck]

Alright I posted a (much longer) version of this in the admin room but some of it deals with specific players and so this is the "safe for public consumption" version.

First off, stop RPing having ridiculously modified suits using custom bulletproof stuff that makes you invincible. It's stupid, makes no sense, and is powergaming. You know who you are and I am not just talking about Wazer's "Dragon skin" because I've seen stuff even more outrageous than that. This is the Zone, not Eagle Industries, you do not have access to prototype American body armor that never saw production, you do not have exoskeletons capable of supporting 10 inch titanium plates, and you do not have a hazmat suit (unless you have a SEVA). Chances are you have a piece of crap Russian surplus flak jacket and maybe a load bearing harness. If you are a richer merc you might have some modern American gear but you're still not going to have Interceptor 5 top of the line body armor. I don't care who your "contacts" are, you cannot power game having unbreakable armor.

Another thing I take offense to is these people with like 8 pounds of tacticool gear on their weapons. This isn't really a powergaming offense like the armor issue but I see people with titles like "M4A1 552 holosight laser, silencer, M203" and it's like "Look dude you're a fucking random civilian who snuck into the Zone. M203s are expensive, EoTech sights are expensive, M4A1s don't really make any sense to be in Ukraine, like why are you kitted out like a fucking armory?" People need to get out of this "lol Mw2" mindset and have realistic gear. Sights are expensive, they break, need batteries, etc. Not to mention very few people have the capacity to gunsmith in ways that some players are advertising (and before any of you point out Kirill's custom LR300, most of that is just cosmetic mods that anyone with a drill could do for fun. I'm talking about people who have AK74s that are apparently ".5 moa with a 5 knot crosswind" For those of you who don't know what that means, basically that is accuracy that the best sniper rifles in the world with the best marksmen in the world struggle to do. Your pos AK is never going to shoot like that, period). People are acting like this high end military surplus is all over the place in the Zone. It isn't. Most guns in the Zone are pieces of shit or bone stock Russian surplus. If you are a merc or army, then congrats you have bone stock new rifles, maybe with a red dot or Acog or something. But you do not have a heart beat sensor, thermal scope, silencer, 14in upper 20 in upper, 7.62 lower, 6.8 lower, 5.56 lower, and 9 different stocks for your gun (and if you didn't know what half that gear was then you probably aren't guilty of doing this). 

Yeah it seems stupid to complain about, and I am one of the first people to say "RP over actual items" but be realistic. Stop power gaming with your gear. The Zone loses some of its fun when everyone walks around with top of the line gear. The Zone should be about scavenging and field repairs, not about brand new prototype rifles and 20 thousand dollar + armor and gear.

[Cobra]

So true man so true. We connected for a moment there, all of this is true (Btw Dragon skin is weak if shot at from an elevation, now go meta game that to Welek) you were probably smuggled into the zone or bribed your self in and that in it's self exhaust's lot's of a resources and once you get in it is hard to find a decent or new weapon. Your lucky to find a NATO weapon at all, you are now just trying to survive with what you got. You are no damn special op team. (Excuse my shitty spelling I am tired)

[Zstan]

I totally agree with you.

When I'm on my bloodsucker, and I try to attack people with exo-suits they say "Lol nope I have a upgraded exo suit you can't pierce my suit."

It's getting ridiculous.

[Steel]

Agreed with this...
if anything your title for your damn weapon should be a fucking rusty ak with the butt falling to pieces.

[Tom]

But what if you are like me. I Like the LR300 and the only upgrade I have for it is the M203, I RP bought it off of cutch so that I could still "Have" a Grenade launcher but not have to use the Groza, Or FN. But as far as people walking around with top notch gear. Yeah it is very rediculus, Specaily since now it seems like EVERYONE has "Upgraded suit" in there title or some other bastardized from of it in there title.

[Steel]

But what if you are like me. I Like the LR300 and the only upgrade I have for it is the M203, I RP bought it off of cutch so that I could still "Have" a Grenade launcher but not have to use the Groza, Or FN. But as far as people walking around with top notch gear. Yeah it is very rediculus, Specaily since now it seems like EVERYONE has "Upgraded suit" in there title or some other bastardized from of it in there title.

Theres a solution to this...
I think to a degree you should be able to have something upgraded, but require SA permission and have to be put on an "Upgrade" roster.
Via filling out an application, with a list of upgrades you can have. So somethings you wont be able to have, like epic exo armour.
Things like Sprint Hydrolics for the Exo, which is witnessed in CoP game, is reasonable.
But also require getting the upgrades for a price ICLY.
And these upgrades should be expensive.

So anything that dosent make powergaming possible.

[Tom]

Yeah, That seems logical. Cause I've seen even people with ROOKIE JACKETS have "Upgraded suit" in there title... Wtf is that?! so yeah SA Approval and roster is reasonable along with a list of possible upgrades for the weapon/suit.

[Y4L]

Ukraine has a GDP of $7,342, that's lower than some 3rd world African nations. Now considering that the mili are seen to have some of the best (Bar a few very experienced stalkers) how the hell are you going to afford such expensive gear?

Not to mention the fact that when you factor in the cost of smuggling top end NATO gear into bloody Chernobyl, it's going to be several times the normal price.
Chances are, you're going to be stuck with some shitty 'Ak' that was made in somebodies garage in Romania.

And it's going to be nigh on impossible to get prototype stuff. If a governments secret prototype armour is found on a corpse halfway across the world, it isn't going to look good. With such a high risk of death, people simply will not be willing to risk it.

And to finish this little rant off; what are the chances YOU got that gear? No matter who you are, there's always going to be a richer, more well connected person in the zone who would've got that gear before you.

[Szenti]

Agreed, I guess later there will be a working upgrade system.
And lets not talk about the Modified ExoskeletonSEVASunriseTrenchCoatSuits.
And not the Automatic Makarov Launcher.

About the Upgrade Roster thats a good idea too. If someone puts some upgrade in their title without being on the roster, will get punished. (ASSLAPPED)

[Dug]

I loled at upgraded stuff paintcheck told about in his post.
Simply loled, as it doesn't make any fucking sense to have all that stuff on you.

[Locke]

Yeah, I agree.

But I guess I can't use my semi-auto P99 with the GL-30 attachment on it anymore.

[Hotstarr]

We should get a list of characters who have upgrades, so they can't just asspull top of the line gear.

One day I met a bandit who killed a stalker, and I tried to tackle him, but he says "no you can't, I'm super strong, at least 6 feet tall, and I used steroids"

[Szenti]

We should get a list of characters who have upgrades, so they can't just asspull top of the line gear.

One day I met a bandit who killed a stalker, and I tried to tackle him, but he says "no you can't, I'm super strong, at least 6 feet tall, and I used steroids"

And Viagra, I guess.

[Lucidius]

Too many rosters as is. Agreed with ass pulling though.

as for "shitty flak jackets", I have a replica MOLLE carrier IRL, costed like 85 dollars, and it can use real kevlar plates (not that i'de ever RP carring it over into SRP), just figured i'de mention it's not absolutely impossible.

[Dragon]

Where the fuck is everybody getting their upgraded shit from?
I've not seen anybody except ISPYUDIE who is a technician/mechanic IC, and there is no work for me.

[Bielecki]

I've never really had problems or met anyone claiming they have upgraded stuff, (Never in fights much) But if they're doing what you say they're doing then wow... Why do people think they can get away with that type of crap?

[Tom]

Like i said I have no problems with people haveing "Upgraded" suits... As long as the upgrades make sense. so no "LOL TEN INCH TITANIUM ON MAI ROOKIE SUIT!"

[Dutch]

Upgrades are fine in my opinion, as long as the user knows how to use them.
I am a mechanic ICly, and thus upgrade my stuff. But I do it canonly- i.e. things like improved servomotors, so I can actually sprint; 2nd gen night vision; etc.

And before you say "Where did you get them?" I have RPd looting several specnaz corpses throughout my days, and quite often the half-broken nightvision gear is left behind as a pile of junk. My character can repair them, and through tons of fine-tuning, insert them into most gasmask, or just make them external. I, however, do NOT condone the use of things like "titanium-steel skin" and shit that makes you immune to bullets.

Any upgrade I do or sell strictly offers only a MINOR RESISTANCE against a certain thing. A chainmail inlay can SLIGHTLY reduce a mutant's claw's damage. EVEN THEN- only the first few swipes would actually be affected, before the chainmail rapidly decays to a near-useless state.

I reccomend making them application only. Perhaps something like this:
name, flag, faction affiliation, PERSON WHO IS PREFORMING THE UPGRADE, what the upgrade is, etc.

This way, we can maintain only a limited number of "expert craftsmen," thus creating quite a bit of roleplay as rookies and experts alike come to get their suits, guns, and items repaired or upgraded.

[Lucidius]

Sprinting in an exo is stupid, period.

[Dutch]

Sprinting in an exo is stupid, period.

Oh, what, so you want me to walk from the Duty base to the Red Forest tower?
I think not.

[Welek]

Lol'd Dutch, it's all legit in CoP you can upgrade a Exo to run so stop being angry about it.

[Dutch]

I know, that's what I meant. Most, if not all, of my upgrades are canon.
So it's cool.

[Ravanger]

You got a point on how people sometimes asspull stuff but it is usally not to much of a big deal.

[KingArthur]

People need to get out of this "lol Mw2" mindset and have realistic gear. Sights are expensive, they break, need batteries, etc.

B-B-But.. My riot shield that's a piece of tank armor...

[Paintcheck]

What bugs me about having an upgrade roster or whatever is that it ruins the atmosphere a bit since everyone would be like "Lawl I has American everything!" and apply for it. In the STALKER games there was a feeling of desperation because your gear was worn, your gun was rusty, and you had to really struggle to make it through the day. I think a lot of that atmosphere is lost when everyone and their brother is kitted out like a fucking Navy SEAL.

And on a side note, Exos are tough but not absolutely impenetrable. In SoC I killed a guy in an Exo with one shot to the head from a USP 45. They are not tanks, please stop acting like just because you have 500+% armor and can HPly survive 4 mags to the chest ICly you'd likely be dead.

And King Arthur I actually like your shield because it is just a random piece of scrap metal that isn't some prototype titanium bullet proof ultra lightweight...thing. It's actually cobbled together and kind of crappy. That is the kind of stuff we should be seeing in the Zone.

And going on this feeling of desperation some more, what the fuck is up with some of these "ultra traders" that have like 500 bazillion dollars and their own helicopters? What the fuck? You shouldn't WANT to be in the Zone, it's irradiated and generally a hell hole. If you had that kind of money you wouldn't be in some shit hole ex Eastern Bloc country. Yes traders do make money but again they aren't venture capitalists.