Trader Suggestions and Complaints

[Khorn]

-Removed unneeded posts. And edited out any talk about abuse.

Keep your arguments out of here.

[Wolfinton]

The thing with robbing people is that they just complain in OOC until someone comes along to rescue them. A robbery that should take 5 minutes takes over an hour because they talk and complain in OOC constantly, desperate for someone to walk along and help them. 3/4 times I have robbed someone this has happened. Lolbanditing is the way forward!

[Khorn]

Yea, well here at HGN, if someone starts to whine in OOC about being robbed, they get kicked for metagaming and avoiding RP.

Besides, there is an OOC delay.

The next time you try to rob someone, and they start to go Out of Character on you, report it to an admin.

[Wolfinton]

Yea, well here at HGN, if someone starts to whine in OOC about being robbed, they get kicked for metagaming and avoiding RP.

Besides, there is an OOC delay.

The next time you try to rob someone, and they start to go Out of Character on you, report it to an admin.

Yeah, I try to do that every time I remember. The only problem I have with that is that a person can use that to get out of being robbed. "Oh look, I'm being robbed! Talk in OOC and get kicked, then I wont have to give my shit away!" I tried to rob someone of two artifacts on STRP, they complained about not having the items IC even though he showed them IC, I got Nitro, Nitro tried to settle it, he argued, he got kicked and I lost the artifacts that would have went to Freedoms back pockets.

I believe that we should get back onto the topic of traders now. Right now, the only viable solutions I can see is to either promote some admins to SA, then promote Blake or Paint to SV in order to get more scavenging OR use the trader flags as they are, rather broken(?) OR have no trader flags until they are fixed and made fair.

[jaik]

Blake to SV

Was that an attempt to cause a myocardial infarction?

[Spades_Neil]

Got another glympse at T-flags today and had it revoked again. :P

However I like and dislike some of the new stuff. Here's what I like;

- Decent selection with things ranging from ammo schematics (which I NEED as an arms dealer), scrap metal, and fire starters.
- Radios are a fun toy because they add a mood to the shop.
- Paper. I need paper. Can't get enough paper. I use this to post notes RATHER THAN using ropetext which fucks up the server. I love it.
- Medical supplies are nice too.
- Backpacks and jackets are a MUST for any trader.
- Kevlar is an interesting addition I haven't gotten to play with yet, but assuming it works like jackets and backpacks do (as in, you only need it in the inventory not equipped) then it'd be a nice addition for arms dealers.
- I don't know what spray cans do, but assuming they let you put your Gmod tag somewhere in the map, I think I'd love to utilize that for making signs or making notices. I could design a 'Kira's Karbines' graphic exclusive for this server, then tag the front of my shop. Keep these.
- GRENADES. We should have more grenades. Frags I couldn't give a shit about, but I want smoke bombs, flash bangs, stun, etc. for get-aways when I'm in the wastes. A trader should not engage in combat unless self defence. Ideally, I'd like to be able to just escape entirely. KEEP GRENADES. :D


Then, what I dislike:
- Prices are wonky as all hell. Kevlar vest is 10,000 caps for what I assume is rubbish bullet protection. It should be 1/20th of that at most. Someone made the wonderful suggestion to base prices for armor at each % that it protects against bullets. I sell for 100 caps per %, but the T-menu should do it by 50 caps, or 75 caps per % of protection.
- Bunch of crap that doesn't do anything. Get rid of all the Stalker ports obviously. I think you already know this.
- Some of the prices, just, no. I'll give more examples. Kevlar was one. Lower that. Please. Scrap metal is another. If you're not going to give us access to buy and sell ammo directly--and you're forcing us to build it ourselves--then please, lower the prices on the scrap metal. I can't even make and sell 9mm for a fair price with scrap at 500 for 5 pieces. As for the schematics, those are all fine. Keep those exactly as they are.
- No access to ammo in T-menu. Now I'm an 'established' trader so this might only apply to my rank and up, but if you'd rather not give us schematics, give us the ammo instead. Personally I think this might be the better option to avoid people buying and selling ammo schematics instead of the actual ammo. Though, if you do give us access to schematics, make it somehow more cost effective for the trader to forge their own ammo rather than buy it direct. This falls back to the prices on scrap metal.

[Khorn]

You know exactly why it was pulled off you.

You make it sound like we being assholes.


And if Silver listens to me and Rebel, the flags will work a lot better for traders.

[Tom]

I/other admins need to spawn Scrap metal/ wood scrap entities, then you can pay people to scavenge. Then you can make ammo.

[Spades_Neil]

You know exactly why it was pulled off you.

You make it sound like we being assholes.


And if Silver listens to me and Rebel, the flags will work a lot better for traders.

Erm, that isn't my intent. :\ Sorry.

Everyone had it pulled off of them at the same time though. I wasn't the only one. It's not done, I understand that! You guys are working on it. I understand that too. Now if you weren't working on it, then I'd think you guys were assholes. >_> But that obviously isn't the case as evidenced by the updates we've seen.

So far I like what I've seen, too! Take my post as constructive critique, not as blatant complaining.

I/other admins need to spawn Scrap metal/ wood scrap entities, then you can pay people to scavenge. Then you can make ammo.

That'd help--though 'paying people to scavenge' is something I already do really. What I don't do is hand them a paycheck and say, "Go hunt down shit." Rather I wait for them to come to me with interesting goods. 95% of the guns I sell are all at one point or another sold to me by other wasters or traders and I've developed a highly lucrative business on that alone. It's ammunition that keeps screwing me up. No one sells ammo unless they don't have the guns for that ammo. Otherwise they keep the ammo. Therefore, ammunition is a difficult commodity to obtain.

The most ammo people ever sell me are either ultra high grade or low grade ammo because either way they either can't use it or don't care about it. I have like twenty-something boxes of 10mm ammo, 13 boxes of 9mm, and like 4 MF and 2 EN cells. I sold all of my 5.56 and shotgun ammunition! That stuff flies off the shelves and I love it--but I think you understand my point. Either being able to forge our own ammo or buy it from the T-menu will equalize the market a whole lot.

I imagine ammo and arms dealing is going to become a lot more important soon as certain glitches in the game with ammo are fixed. I'll be anticipating the profits. Heheheh. >:3



On a final note, keep up the good work. I'm anxious to see how this turns out.

[Ragolution]

Remove the Random Item Machine.

[Spades_Neil]

Remove the Random Item Machine.

Dear god, please.

Don't raise the prices on it to deter us. It won't stop us. JUST REMOVE IT.

[Recreas]

I agree, remove that it's rather annoying for traders. Or make it only spawn things like consumables or medical supplies.

[Spades_Neil]

I agree, remove that it's rather annoying for traders. Or make it only spawn things like consumables or medical supplies.

Traders? Not just traders! It's annoying for everyone! It spits out a ton of useless items as well.

[Khorn]

The random machine has nothing to do with traders.

That complaint needs to go straight to Tom or Exile.

[Spades_Neil]

The random machine has nothing to do with traders.

That complaint needs to go straight to Tom or Exile.

Fair enough.

[Frostee]

Instead of all the traders being by themselves and not knowing other traders (maybe), there should be a Crimson Caravan type thing, where all the traders can go to ICly resupply goods to bring on the road to sell, and to maybe give wastelanders work at the Crimson Caravan type place.

[Ragolution]

Instead of all the traders being by themselves and not knowing other traders (maybe), there should be a Crimson Caravan type thing, where all the traders can go to ICly resupply goods to bring on the road to sell, and to maybe give wastelanders work at the Crimson Caravan type place.

We've already got a pretty good idea that's similar-ish to this. No spoilers.

[Spades_Neil]

Uhh, who decided that a Combat Shotgun is LESS MONEY than a hunting shotgun? >_> This doesn't seem right.

With all due respect, can we please have the prices fixed, like, immediately? This is all kinds of screwed up. Whoever is in control of what prices get what, please send me a PM or Steam message me so I can tell you what, in my opinion, they should be exactly. More importantly WHY they should be priced in a certain way. For a number of reasons it's a bad idea to just make up prices on the fly.

Without being specific on prices, here are my opinions:
-9mm pistols should be dirt cheap.
-10mm just above dirt cheap.
-Chinese pistols I have no idea what kind of damage they do. If it's less than 10mm but more than 9mm, put it between those two prices. If it's weaker than the 9mm, that's just stupid.
-.44 Caliber, provided it works now, should be cheaper--but mind you the revolver holds six shots compared to a 10mm pistol's 12 shots. Do the math on the damage involved then price the weapon.
-Chinese assault rifle is too expensive, regular assault rifle is too cheap. These should be priced the same for starters. One is accurate, one is powerful. It's a fair trade off.
-Hunting shotgun way too expensive.
-Hunting rifle is also way too expensive. These two should be the same, if not the rifle -slightly- costing more.
-SPAS-12 is priced ok, actually.
-Combat Shotgun is WAY TOO FREAKIN' CHEAP.
-Armor is also poorly priced in my opinion. Too high for trench coats, too low for business suit.
-Wooden planks... ok, I don't even know what good these are.

[Khorn]

I'm sure I told you about the prices and who set them.

Also, I'm sure that they won't change. So, either be happy with the set prices, or don't use the menu.

Also, your post is quite rude. Your basically telling us that you know what things should be set at.

So tone it down.

[Ragolution]

Uhh, who the HELL decided that a Combat Shotgun is LESS MONEY than a hunting shotgun? >_>

Can we please have the prices fixed, like, immediately? This is all kinds of screwed up. Whoever is in control of what prices get what, please send me a PM or Steam message me so I can tell you what, in my opinion, they should be exactly. More importantly WHY they should be priced in a certain way. For a number of reasons it's a bad idea to just make up prices on the fly.

Without being specific on prices, here are my opinions:
-9mm pistols should be dirt cheap.
-10mm just above dirt cheap.
-Chinese pistols I have no idea what kind of damage they do. If it's less than 10mm but more than 9mm, put it between those two prices. If it's weaker than the 9mm, that's just stupid.
-.44 Caliber, provided it works now, should be cheaper--but mind you the revolver holds six shots compared to a 10mm pistol's 12 shots. Do the math on the damage involved then price the weapon.
-Chinese assault rifle is too expensive, regular assault rifle is too cheap. These should be priced the same for starters. One is accurate, one is powerful. It's a fair trade off.
-Hunting shotgun way too expensive.
-Hunting rifle is also way too expensive. These two should be the same, if not the rifle -slightly- costing more.
-SPAS-12 is priced ok, actually.
-Combat Shotgun is WAY TOO FREAKIN' CHEAP.
-Armor is also poorly priced in my opinion. Too high for trench coats, too low for business suit.
-Wooden planks... ok, I don't even know what good these are.

The market isn't always in yours or anyone else's favor. You, of all people, should know that.

[jaik]

I agree with the first two
A box of 10mm is worth more than a 9mm pistol.
Do something about it.

[Khorn]

I would, but I can't. Unless Exiled added a command to let us edit prices, it won't change.

He is the one in control of it.

[jaik]

Unless Exiled added a command to let us edit prices, it won't change.

It would take many weeks to code this kind of system.

[Khorn]

Yes, and that is why it all is up to him. And last I checked, he seems rather fine with it.

[Spades_Neil]

Also, your post is quite rude. Your basically telling us that you know what things should be set at.

So tone it down.

I'm just going to change the first line then and change it to something else. Otherwise this is constructive critique and I'm not changing the rest of the post.

With all due respect, and don't take this the wrong way because I don't hate you/think you're an idiot/asshole/jerk/etc.; you need to stop taking offense to my posts. They're not meant to be offensive. It's constructive criticism. Isn't that what this thread is for? I'm trying to avoid coming in here and being like, "YOU FUCKED UP EVERYTHING YOU SUCK NOW FIX IT SO IT'S EXACTLY LIKE THIS" because that would be stupid and I'd be a douchebag for doing it. The objective of constructive critique is to explain what, ideally, I'd like to see done. It's up to the person doing the work whether or not he decides, "Hey, I kind of like that idea," or alternatively, "No, I had something else planned." Even in an earlier post where I first complimented the good work, then gave my opinions on what should be changed, you still said I was being an asshole for it. If I didn't give a shit about the community, or if I was being selfish, I'd shut up about the prices because frankly some of them make the game really unfair, but in my favor as a trader.

Really, you're going to have to explain how in specific I'm being an asshole. If you guys don't want suggestions and complaints, delete this thread.

Yes, and that is why it all is up to him. And last I checked, he seems rather fine with it.

I'll try and convince him otherwise then, because I have real reasons for the prices I've chosen for the items I sell. If those prices change because of T-flags that's fine. I can adapt. However, some of them are just so strange they have to be a mistake from my perspective. Pistols and shotguns seem to suffer worst from this.