What timeline would you guys prefer?
KOTOR or the Dark Times?
I have a question, how would we be following the Dark Times? Would we be a clone turned storm troopers unit or something else?
EDIT: Assuming the dark times refer to the issue of Order 66 and the comic series following a Jedi named K'Kruhk
Galactic Civil War or Kotor/Old Republic. Fuck everything from Episode 1 2 or 3.
At least in the storyline I'm writing, if we chose the Dark Times it would be around 18 BY, right after the Ghormora Massacre.
I prefer the Dark Times.
So would we be a storm trooper unit? Like the 501st?
It would take place on an outer rim colony. The entire population of the server would not be storm troopers, but there would be a storm trooper units.
Please, Dark Times. And limit Jedi either to a high donation amount like the 100$ range for max. Or only highly trusted people. Rebels (If any.) Would be IC only such as HL2. And I guess the empire would be apps. (Such as Combine.)
Both options sound intriguing, with the Old Republic theoretically there would be a scarce amount of bad guys, and a ton of good guys, with the Dark Times it would be almost the opposite, and eerily similar to the Half Life 2 Role-play server, theoretically anyway.
Anyone can be a fucking Jedi if they are one with the force, Jesus... Lightsabers aren't rare.
Quote from: commanthe2 on 19-04-2011
Please, Dark Times. And limit Jedi either to a high donation amount like the 100$ range for max. Or only highly trusted people. Rebels (If any.) Would be IC only such as HL2. And I guess the empire would be apps. (Such as Combine.)
So, what you are saying is that you want SWRP to be like HL2RP? That is why I want the KOTOR timeline because the Empire would be nowhere powerful enough to monitor all of the outer rim colonies, especially the ones I was considering putting the timeline in(around the Slice where Troska, Comra, Adumar systems are).
Also, Jedi and Sith in both cases will be severely limited, probably to 2-3 for each side.
I've only really played KOTOR, and know nothing about the Dark Times: personally, I'd prefer something with a larger number of Jedi, though.
Well, I'd rather prefer the Galactic Civil War, or make sure you limit force users to those that are able to handle it.
Because otherwilse it would be just like letting a random person lead a faction, it will end in total madness unless you are lucky and chose the right person.
The timeline i am considering is when after the films when both the new republic and the galactic empire are both around at the same time. Both Sith and Jedi are limited due to low numbers. This would allow multiple factions to be around at the same time and not create a overcumsome "combine" effect. The planets we roleplay on will be custom on the outer rim. Allowing us to freely introduce things such as lore, species and the like without raping the cannon of Star Wars.
This would be just before the Yuuzhan Vong attack both the new republic and the galactic empire.
The New Republic's State is that they hold a fair amount of ground. About 40% of the galactic empires former territory.
The Galactic empire hold the other 60%.
Both factions are still at war although cannon wise (15 years from when we roleplay) they make a truce to end the war.
Quote from: Ping-Pong on 19-04-2011
Anyone can be a fucking Jedi if they are one with the force, Jesus... Lightsabers aren't rare.
Obviously you are a canon illiterate. Lightsabers are indeed rare. Lightsaber crystals must be mined to make a lightsaber, then it needs to be constructed with the force. You can't master the force without training, and you can't use a lightsaber without training because you would be liable to cut your hand off, among other body parts. You also have to be force sensitive, you are born force sensitive, and it is rare.
Considering how many races can be Jedi, its easy to make the order look massive and not rare at all, but in truth it is rare.
It depends a lot on the timeline. After the Galactic Civil war, when Silver just said he is planning this all lightsaber construction would probably be close to a lost art since pretty much Luke is the only one left who knows how to do it.
In the Old Republic/KotoR time line while the average lay person wouldn't know how to build one, the knowledge is available pretty readily and the Jedi Order is out looking for Force Sensitive people all over the place so in that sense it wouldn't be very hard for a force user to learn properly since the Jedi are actively recruiting. Which is probably what he meant.
Oh god, so much lore. Couldn't we focus on a small time planet that just mines or farms or something? Not on the massive factions that rule the galaxy, it just results in irritating whining, competition and lore debates.
That's why regardless of timeline we'd be on the Rim somewhere. That way the major factions could exist but they wouldn't be all pervasive.
I hope it's not during the Galactic Civil war/immediately after. I want to see Jedi vs. Sith saber fights.
Galactic Civil war or Great Hyperspace War.
D:
Jedi's should be the most trusted, greatest RP'ers, admins or highly trusted players, ever. Just saying.
Quote from: Paintcheck on 20-04-2011
That's why regardless of timeline we'd be on the Rim somewhere. That way the major factions could exist but they wouldn't be all pervasive.
I hope it's not during the Galactic Civil war/immediately after. I want to see Jedi vs. Sith saber fights.
The timeline ive discussed would allow both to co-exist. So yeah.
I really think you should avoid the two main fractions being the Sith, rebellion or anything like them. Every RP we do the biggest and strongest fractions according to the lore are our main fractions, so I propose that they should be the smaller ones that have more to offer. For example some criminal fraction like the Huns and some planet security force.
Quote from: Bielecki on 20-04-2011
I really think you should avoid the two main fractions being the Sith, rebellion or anything like them. Every RP we do the biggest and strongest fractions according to the lore are our main fractions, so I propose that they should be the smaller ones that have more to offer. For example some criminal fraction like the Huns and some planet security force.
1/2's Vs. the 2/4ths sounds like a good idea.
Quote from: Bielecki on 20-04-2011
I really think you should avoid the two main fractions being the Sith, rebellion or anything like them. Every RP we do the biggest and strongest fractions according to the lore are our main fractions, so I propose that they should be the smaller ones that have more to offer. For example some criminal fraction like the Huns and some planet security force.
Your point isn't unreasonable but it leads to the question of "If the main factions from Star Wars aren't going to be in it, then why call it Star Wars at all?" Plus the idea of a MAJOR faction is to be MAJOR. If it was Hutts vs. Security Force it would be no different from Imperials vs Rebels, Sith vs. Republic, etc. The only difference would be the name. And the name is fairly important since people think of the Empire and the Republic and the Sith and the Rebellion when they think Star Wars.
Just. . . Make sure to appoint leaders that won't nab every hobo with a pulse and the "Major factions are the main focus" won't be a problem
The difference is the amount of power they have. Since they have a lot of power ICly, the leader is more likely to pull of some stupid tricks because of some OOC rivalry with the other fraction like we have seen in Forp.
If they were small time they have a lot more distractions to keep them busy rather than trying to obliterate the other team. For example, the Huts could run a Bar or two and the security forces could run some shops.
Contrary to what I said, the 2nd fraction should be some kind of business rather than a security force; this will completely blot out any fraction rivalry which I see as a wonderful thing in this type of RP.
What will this result in? We get average players going to work at the business, could be mining or building ships. Then going off to the clubs or bars for entertainment... so much more to offer.
I'm not saying we don't have Jedi or Sith, but for the love of god, don't make them the focus.
Im with Bie on this one.
I personally would like a domestic type of RP. Sure, maybe a little rebelion vs sith battle may erupt and harm a few farms and ruin a town.. but for the main part I would like somthing calm.
I personally hate the idea of people being jedis. It would just be a power game madness I don't care how experienced you are. Blaster battles are where its at!
Quote from: Rebel6609 on 21-04-2011
Im with Bie on this one.
I personally would like a domestic type of RP. Sure, maybe a little rebelion vs sith battle may erupt and harm a few farms and ruin a town.. but for the main part I would like somthing calm.
I personally hate the idea of people being jedis. It would just be a power game madness I don't care how experienced you are. Blaster battles are where its at!
>>Dodging lasers
I would do KOTOR but people will try to play god- with jedi/sith but do the hyperspace wars or jedi/sith wars would also be the same but the same would happen
Maybe Rebellion time after the rebels kill the Emperor and then Thrawn is mobilizing to attack with the Imperial Remant they would work very well.
Let's scrap Jedi in general, and focus on different parts of SWRP.
I think everyone already realized that Jedi wont work out and will probably cause shitRP.
with the proposed time line there wont be anything jedi or sith they will just be force sensitives and nothing more at the most
Quote from: Sith 121 on 22-04-2011
with the proposed time line there wont be anything jedi or sith they will just be force sensitives and nothing more at the most
Force sensitives are useless if they can't find anybody to train them, so what use does it have if you can't have some sort of Jedi master? And you'll probably wouldn't even know ICly seen.
I personally don't want Jedi or Sith because people will power game with them so its just going to be a pain to balance them
Anyway during this timeline there isnt very many jedi because Luke just started training people to be jedi and the sith are all dead as far as the galaxy knows
Quote from: Bielecki on 20-04-2011
If they were small time they have a lot more distractions to keep them busy rather than trying to obliterate the other team. For example, the Huts could run a Bar or two and the security forces could run some shops.
Contrary to what I said, the 2nd fraction should be some kind of business rather than a security force; this will completely blot out any fraction rivalry which I see as a wonderful thing in this type of RP.
What will this result in? We get average players going to work at the business, could be mining or building ships. Then going off to the clubs or bars for entertainment... so much more to offer.
I'm not saying we don't have Jedi or Sith, but for the love of god, don't make them the focus.
^This
Jedi and Sith will just cause people to go "I JUST KILLED U WITH MA RAWRLAZ0RPULSESUPERMEGAFORCEZZZ"
It amazes me how many people are just like "ZOMG jedi and sith can't possibly work! powergaming wtf!!!!one!1!!"
I mean since Silver already chose the time line it isn't that relevant but Jedi and Sith aren't all powerful. Look at the trailers for the Old Republic, you can see Jedi and Sith being taken down almost easily by normal troopers. Just because the movies focus on some of the most powerful examples of jedi/sith in the Star Wars universe does not mean they are ALL that beastly and since it would be heavily regulated via apps and smart faction leaders I don't think it would be as disruptive as all you are saying.
Quote from: Paintcheck on 23-04-2011
It amazes me how many people are just like "ZOMG jedi and sith can't possibly work! powergaming wtf!!!!one!1!!"
I mean since Silver already chose the time line it isn't that relevant but Jedi and Sith aren't all powerful. Look at the trailers for the Old Republic, you can see Jedi and Sith being taken down almost easily by normal troopers. Just because the movies focus on some of the most powerful examples of jedi/sith in the Star Wars universe does not mean they are ALL that beastly and since it would be heavily regulated via apps and smart faction leaders I don't think it would be as disruptive as all you are saying.
+1
well first the jedi of KOTOR time were numerous and the knowledge was out there on how to kill them but not in the New Republic time and why do you need jedi and sith?
Time wise there is no Jedi and Sith running around the galaxy
there is Luke and he just started a training academy and the true sith are dead because the emperor had them killed if they showed up or were sensed
Hence why the first line of my post was "I mean since Silver already chose the time line it isn't that relevant..."
For the love of christ, Please stop talking about lightsabers.
It's endless prattaling on about "how only the RP gods of the server" can become jedi.
If you were a fucking jedi you'd be hauled off to yavin IV and you'd still be training at the moment.
If you were a dark jedi you'd be hauled off to the imperial space academy and you'd be training at the moment.
You are all jumping on the fucking jedi wagon like its leaking force powers and lightsabers to no end and even if you are a bloody admin you should not become a jedi, as I can see another BOS/CommaderA incident happenng again where the admin uses his position to leverage RP in his favor...."BECUZ I R JEDI HUA HUA HUA HUA HUA".
No you are a NORMAL person with NORMAL person powers, so you have to use NORMAL person weapons and NORMAL person abilities. I swear to go someone is going to end up using /me uses force shits on everyone insta killing them at some point because the force is so god damn over powered, that is to say unless the normal people are imperial commands and republic shock troopers and have enough firepower to flatten a town by thmselves.
Whats with you reiterating what everyone says?
What's the point of doing Star Wars without Jedi or Sith is really my final question. There are about 10000 ways they could easily be balanced and with competent admins it really isn't that hard to manage powerful chars.
It amuses me the amount of people complaining about these chars when over on STALKER I can think of at least 3 characters that were/are completely invincible and have existed that way for a good year+ now. The point is people will find a way to metagame/powergame anything. If it's not jedi, it'll be some smuggler with latent force abilities that has inhuman reflexes or some Stormtrooper from a super soldier program that has perfect accuracy. Powergames will always exist regardless of limits imposed on character classes. Punishing valid players who would probably be able to handle those classes because some members are dumbasses is a little disappointing since I wanted to be a Dark Jedi.
You're going to have powergaming idiots regardless of timeline, setting, story, universe etc. That's what admins are for. It's not hard.
Unless the admins are the ones powergaming because as FORP showed us it's impossible to get an admin removed once Silver gives them power regardless of how many screenshots, logs, and player testimony you show him. But again that problem isn't unique to the storyline of the server so to say "we shouldn't do it because someone might abuse" is stupid. Players try their absolute hardest to abuse the rules as much as possible. That is always true. I don't see removing Jedi as suddenly fixing this. They're just going to powergame in another avenue.
i had this wall of text to slam down here, but screw it..
if there are going to be Force users, they will obviously need restrictions and shiz
if not, then theres no need to worry about them anymore
i second Paintcheck's post completely
I would like to see them but I want it to be an event
This shit should be locked, deleted and reposted. . . STOP TALKING ABOUT JEDI AND SITH. This is about prefered timeline not Jedi and Sith, If you all want I can throw up a thread about it. But Please for the love of god keep on topic. next "LOL JEDI ARE SUX0RZ CAUSE P0wAhGr4merz w1ll be fggtz and rehtards w1ll ab00se powah!!!11one" will get a hefty ban.
/rant
/on-topic
I think we should do either a KOTOR timeline or the timeline silver wants to do. as any based in the movies may be difficult to do.
How SWRP was back on Jedi Academy was a perfect system, for example I'll use Nar Shaada from the KOTOR II game. The Smugglers Moon it was called was COVERED with bounty hunters, pirates, criminals and refuges. There was absolutely no presence of any Empire or Republic forces on the moon. This made 90% of the role-play citizens, refugees and various criminal factions. Now occasionally the Empire or Republic would make appearances on the selected planet (Not specifically Nar Shaada, thats just an example) for the purpose of making their presence known in event sort of situations. Now say we didn't use Nar Shaada, we'll go to one of the discussed possible Outer Rim planets. Both the Empire and the Republic might have small outposts on the planet and could give out missions or lend assistance to refugees, citizens or even make deals with planetary businesses. Bounty Hunter groups would take contracts from both of these groups or other criminal groups, like smugglers and crime syndicates (Like the Hutts). So going through all of this I think the best choice would be the KOTOR time period, as its relatively balanced between the Sith and the Republic. If we moderated it in specific fashions we wouldn't have anyone with too much power in a faction going around raping the entire planet. My 2 cents.