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on: 20-09-2009
This is a message to all the admins of high ranking!

Alright, before anyone says "This isn't much of a issue", shut up because your wrong.
This is about the issues of being a trader, and why its getting so much harder to get on the trader character ever day.


One: YOU ALL WANT MISSIONS, well we like making missions but right now, its difficult as hell without noclip/observe. When we get that, we will have such a easier time placing things and getting your money sources ready, Otherwise its just a clusterfuck of randomness! and confusion!
(QUOTE) |HGN-STTA| Bagelz: ALL I WANT IS THE GOD DAMN NOCLIP OR OBSERVE

Two: Prices may be a little high, We get that, it doesn't work as much for us either, when we buy something from you, it will either be exactly what we earn for it when we sell it in inventory, or a TINY piece of profit, when you buy things be sure to consider "Hey if I want to sell this later I'm going to sell it for four times less then what I bought it for." And really, supplys menu prices are odd, 1000 for a item that sells for 3000 and 1,100 for a item that sells for 2,000. Kinda odd!

Three
: FIX THE FUCKING MENU, We can't spawn anything everything in the price list, we need a admin or some god like being in the sky to do it for us, and the things we need added? Like the Duty Skat, the Freedom skat, the damn Monolithian Skat? We need those too, Maybe my silenced pistol or the rocket launcher to come back!

Four: And this is just me, but isn't there going to be a Night map? Should it really take weeks to make? I mean seriously it should take a few minutes of editing, Even I can do it with a few hours of learning and asking and a few minutes of editing!

And now that you know why I'm angry, you'll be suprised to know Bagelz is also angry, and you don't LIKE to see a angry Bagelz!
« Last Edit: 20-09-2009 by Zero »




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Reply #1 on: 20-09-2009
Four: And this is just me, but isn't there going to be a Night map? Should it really take weeks to make? I mean seriously it should take a few minutes of editing, Even I can do it with a few hours of learning and asking and a few minutes of editing!

SilverKnight has a real life, and his life doesn't revolve around his server entirely.

This is something i've been having to drill in people's heads back on SecondLife.

I don't sit around, doing nothing, with my thumb up my ass until some one eggs me to do something that benefits themselves and not me.

DURPAHURP.

You want the night map done? THat'de also involve SilverKnight giving his map out to some one else, in which they'de just steal/rape.

Infact I don't see how a night map is going to affect your trader much at all, please enlighten me there.

By all means do not take this as me being pissed or angry, I assure you i'm just saying this because your raging and need to think about things from another perspective.

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Reply #2 on: 20-09-2009
I think this is more general frustration that just trader frustration.

One - Missions are fun, I may start making some every now and then to kill off a Stalker or eight. Even as a non-a-trader.
Two - Yeah, I've heard prices are fucked up now and need some fixing.
Three - I've heard that Silver doesn't want Traders to be able to spawn certain items because of Abuse, also there's a stank about who can wear what armors faction-wise.
Four - I think Silver is also the only Mapper here, and just about everything that goes into a game mode is time consuming (Lua, models, textures, maps). I'll tell you this, it generally takes around 12 hours to take a model, rig it, weigh it, test it, and write new vta files for it and produce a GOOD product. (Note that like half the models from STALKER are halfassed and don't even have any attempted weighing of the fingers or shoulders.) If I fucking figure out why the fuck I can't get any smd importers to work on this PC I'll start producing some new models.



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Reply #3 on: 20-09-2009
I think this is more general frustration that just trader frustration.

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Reply #4 on: 21-09-2009
I found that noone wants to buy anything of traders, its all selling and getting missions. I've seen it, five loners at must lining up for a mission.

And yes, I have a Trader and once I placed somthing and I got back to the Dooty bar and then this guy came around the corner with my item two seconds later and was like
"SIR CAN I SELL THIS?!"

Also weapons are to exspensive IMO, everything is. 20K for a STALKER suit? Or whatever the amount is? Who is dumb enough to buy that, when you could just apply for a faction and SPAWN with weapons and I get free armour.

Also I've heard that the STALKER suit dosnt give armour.


Yeah, Traders need Observe, if its abused, there char should be PK'd they should lose every item and there flag.

End of.


Its stupid, really. I can understand the tons amount needed for a SEVA, or an EXO, but 20K for a Stalker suit? Naaah, thats not a good price, thats just dumb....

OK, realism, the STALKER suits in STALKER are around that price, but noone is going to pay that, also if you think about it in Stalker, every guy wants to offer you an artifact and 1000000000K rubbles for killing some dogs.

Its needs sorting =V

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Reply #5 on: 21-09-2009
It is general frustration, but all we want to do is help further create the experience players want. The only reason I'm mad is because players get mad at US for the price of weapons when it is not us who set them.



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Reply #6 on: 21-09-2009
I think the Ecologists should step in on this, and take some(if not Most) of the Mission Pressure off the Traders, especially with that big paytab and the fact they can't even haul weapons around.

If you're smart enough, you can setup some nice little "Escort the Eco to blahzeblahblah and get 200RU" missions, and it could add a new aspect to the Roleplay.(Especially if you're the annoying one who stops every 10 seconds to /me tripping over something, only to get jumped by Bandits the next.)


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Reply #7 on: 21-09-2009
I think the Ecologists should step in on this, and take some(if not Most) of the Mission Pressure off the Traders, especially with that big paytab and the fact they can't even haul weapons around.

If you're smart enough, you can setup some nice little "Escort the Eco to blahzeblahblah and get 200RU" missions, and it could add a new aspect to the Roleplay.(Especially if you're the annoying one who stops every 10 seconds to /me tripping over something, only to get jumped by Bandits the next.)

That would be great, counted they would get on 5 times more often, we could pay them the reward then they could pay when the mission is over.
SilverKnight has a real life, and his life doesn't revolve around his server entirely.

This is something i've been having to drill in people's heads back on SecondLife.

I don't sit around, doing nothing, with my thumb up my ass until some one eggs me to do something that benefits themselves and not me.

DURPAHURP.

You want the night map done? THat'de also involve SilverKnight giving his map out to some one else, in which they'de just steal/rape.

Infact I don't see how a night map is going to affect your trader much at all, please enlighten me there.

By all means do not take this as me being pissed or angry, I assure you i'm just saying this because your raging and need to think about things from another perspective.
I get that, I have my own real life issues, and hell I check in everyday though.
« Last Edit: 21-09-2009 by Zero »




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Reply #8 on: 21-09-2009
There is no Duty yet and i dont even think Freedom uses skat and i'm pretty sure Monolith never got their hands on them... And if you really want a night time map why dont you make it yourself, see how easy it is..?

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Reply #9 on: 21-09-2009
I smell powerhungry!

Observe you will never get it.

Because not to offend or name anyone most of traders are curious bitches and i can smell later meta-game.

It's like someone makes a stash you in observe go there check the stuff or steal it and later sell the stash.

Missions!? The fuck i hate missions passive passive passive.

We don't need fucking traders or admin for mission everyone is capable of making a mission if she or he wants.

Missions are for minges who want "LAWL MONEY!"

I've observed alot of missions and most of retards who do the missions don't even see diffrence between OOC and IC not to mention the rules!!



You are powerhungry and thinking too much about yourself. If you don't like TU you may leave. If you don't like RP You may leave . What i'm trying to say none holds you here.


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Reply #10 on: 21-09-2009
 We do missions because it's fun, it creates different rp situations and it helps players to get money so they can buy new equipment. Buying new gear often results in that the player has more fun while rp. I'm not saying that just because I'll make money when people buy different gear from me, I say it because I know it's true. In all sorts of games, players tend to get more "happy" when they get new gear or when they get upgrades.

Ofcourse other people can make missions aswell. People tend to ask Traders to make missions because they know that we can give good rewards. I'm not saying that noone else can give good rewards aswell, it's just that it mite be easier for Traders since we have a supply menu and we often have a lot of money that we can use as a mission reward.


« Last Edit: 21-09-2009 by klp4 »

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Reply #11 on: 21-09-2009
To be honset.. This thread Is really unnecessary, you have no valid point in this thead.. Well atleast nothing that is as important as you make it up to be. Ofc you wont get Observe, There is a reason only SA and higher get that. And to be frank you dont need Observe to create a good mission, If you know what your doing then there wont be a "Clusterfuck of randomness" As you put it.
(Dont get me wrong.. I'm just talking about the thread not any of the comments)
Point is.. Stop raging about Useless shit.
« Last Edit: 21-09-2009 by Radek »

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Reply #12 on: 21-09-2009
I smell powerhungry!

Observe you will never get it.

Because not to offend or name anyone most of traders are curious bitches and i can smell later meta-game.

It's like someone makes a stash you in observe go there check the stuff or steal it and later sell the stash.

Missions!? The fuck i hate missions passive passive passive.

We don't need fucking traders or admin for mission everyone is capable of making a mission if she or he wants.

Missions are for minges who want "LAWL MONEY!"

I've observed alot of missions and most of retards who do the missions don't even see diffrence between OOC and IC not to mention the rules!!



You are powerhungry and thinking too much about yourself. If you don't like TU you may leave. If you don't like RP You may leave . What i'm trying to say none holds you here.

Tone down on the Red Text please, there's a difference between Admin and Moderator. >.>;
Traders should exist purely as a source of money and missions(With the exclusion of Bagelz, because nobody can do it more laughably.), and alot of the Missions are what makes up STALKER RP nowadays.

Also: YOU DO NOT NEED TO CREATE ITEMS FOR MISSIONS. Honestly, use your Imagination, I used to send STALKERs out to "Map Places" as my Eco, and give em a good 200RU every time they did something or reported something new, which ranged from newly-placed Anomalies, to Bandits setting up camp half a map away!

Heck, once I even organised a few bandits to make a Convoy for Loners to try and Raid.
« Last Edit: 21-09-2009 by Zeta »


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Reply #13 on: 21-09-2009
Missions are difficult to do without observe when the mission revolves around finding an item. When traders aren't set up people tend to stalk them because a non setup trader = making a mission and planting props. This means the mission doesn't even get off the ground because 90 loners are watching the trader's every move. Observe would greatly alleviate that.

This is why I never make "Find prop, bring back" missions as my trader because they take me a good 5-10 minutes to set up and take all of 30 seconds for someone to complete. I tend to try assassination missions and/or kill the bloodsucker missions because using other players who want to stay alive makes the mission harder and last longer and be open to more people.



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Reply #14 on: 21-09-2009
Missions are difficult to do without observe when the mission revolves around finding an item. When traders aren't set up people tend to stalk them because a non setup trader = making a mission and planting props. This means the mission doesn't even get off the ground because 90 loners are watching the trader's every move.

I agree with you mate. It's pretty anoying when a bunch of stalkers follow the trader while he/she is making the mission.
They finish it very quickly and then they ask for another one.

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Reply #15 on: 21-09-2009
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Four: And this is just me, but isn't there going to be a Night map? Should it really take weeks to make? I mean seriously it should take a few minutes of editing, Even I can do it with a few hours of learning and asking and a few minutes of editing!

I've offered to make a night version of the map, but SK hasn't taken it onboard.

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Reply #17 on: 21-09-2009
Personally, I don't care about observe, but Noclip is a must... especially if we need to hide from the stalkers rushing to find us and steal the mission item before it even shows itself, Item fix, we just want to sell people the items on the list, we don't care about the faction sevas, when we get that, we know we can supply everything on the list and we will be happy with that. The Night time map, its just me personally, and anyone can do it but needs to be accepted by SK...




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Reply #18 on: 21-09-2009
I smell powerhungry!

Observe you will never get it.

Because not to offend or name anyone most of traders are curious bitches and i can smell later meta-game.

It's like someone makes a stash you in observe go there check the stuff or steal it and later sell the stash.

Missions!? The fuck i hate missions passive passive passive.

We don't need fucking traders or admin for mission everyone is capable of making a mission if she or he wants.

Missions are for minges who want "LAWL MONEY!"

I've observed alot of missions and most of retards who do the missions don't even see diffrence between OOC and IC not to mention the rules!!



You are powerhungry and thinking too much about yourself. If you don't like TU you may leave. If you don't like RP You may leave . What i'm trying to say none holds you here.

Agreed
When I was a Trader I had advanced dupes that would be simple retrieval missions. You don't need noclip. And most of your suggestions are just about stuff you want.
« Last Edit: 21-09-2009 by Plunger »



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Reply #19 on: 21-09-2009
First off, DON'T QUOTE A GIANT POST
 Second Its not what I alone want, its what alot of traders want, BAGELZ MADE A THREAD ABOUT IT IN THE TRADERS UNION POST. I don't think myself high in the community, I don't think I deserve more respect then others, I do think I should have less issues creating a mission.




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Reply #20 on: 21-09-2009
I smell powerhungry!

Observe you will never get it.

Because not to offend or name anyone most of traders are curious bitches and i can smell later meta-game.

It's like someone makes a stash you in observe go there check the stuff or steal it and later sell the stash.

Missions!? The fuck i hate missions passive passive passive.

We don't need fucking traders or admin for mission everyone is capable of making a mission if she or he wants.

Missions are for minges who want "LAWL MONEY!"

I've observed alot of missions and most of retards who do the missions don't even see diffrence between OOC and IC not to mention the rules!!




Talk about massive sucking up, lol.
« Last Edit: 21-09-2009 by Bagelz »



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Reply #21 on: 21-09-2009
Next person to giant post is banned for a day



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Reply #22 on: 21-09-2009
EDIT: Never mind.
« Last Edit: 21-09-2009 by Paintcheck »



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Reply #23 on: 22-09-2009
I just made it clear >=3    **Isn't her fault**


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Reply #24 on: 22-09-2009
I completely agree with Having at least No-clip or Observe. Its just so hard to set missions when you've got like 10 stalkers hunting you down.



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