Time to rant!
So modern day SRP, means that we have self proclaimed master mercs running around, and loners killing loners?
Some loners hiring mercs and helping military.
Whats happening with that?
You do understand that loners are both hostile to military and MERCS.
Seriously people sort it out, its really pissing me off.
Loners arent working together again.
That makes no sense.
Loners don't necessarily have any set attitudes towards factions, they're loners. They're the people who aren't in a faction, and make their own relations. Really, the problem lies with the mercs/military who are befriending stalkers, seeing as they DO have set relations with other factions.
Quote from: The Jackal on 07-03-2010
Time to rant!
So modern day SRP, means that we have self proclaimed master mercs running around, and loners killing loners?
Some loners hiring mercs and helping military.
Whats happening with that?
You do understand that loners are both hostile to military and MERCS.
Seriously people sort it out, its really pissing me off.
Loners arent working together again.
I'm the only loner that follows this every now and then. And when I try to establish a little group of loners to travel together with they don't agree and then complain in OOC when they get mugged.
I know theres a few loners out there that actually follow it, such as Streloks loner and mine, but the rest are just people running around in sunrises.
Oh oh! I still remember when Aliens attacked us in SRP, Right Locke?
Yeah the Canon is shit atm, Monolith is roaming around like a scout party and Suckers are helping Monolith (In stalker I didn't see that...)
Oh and what's better! Me getting called "Fucking Bandit" 24/7
Go play the fucking game before you tell me that I suck at being a Bandit...... Kthx :3
We never speak of the aliens.
We also need to get the timezone sorted out..All I hear is "It's fucking ShoC. No it's Cs! No its CoP."
All of the admins have different opinions on which time SRP is in and they think they rule the server when they are on.. so we have to RP in the time.
Like when I was on my Monolith and the entire Red Forest was infested with Loners and a trader, a TRADER was in the Red Forest, and they told me to leave and sit at my base and do nothing.
Seriously get this shit sorted out.
Now what Jackal says there is true. Loners do not help military, this isn't CoP where you are a fucking mayor. If you all look up to CoP remember when you got out of that tunnel complex when military got you? If your character wasn't an agent all of those five guys would have been killed.
Loners </3 Military
Loners </3 Mercs
Loners </3 Bandits
Loners <3 Loners aka Stalkers
Also, complaining about getting mugged? Deal with it , it's a part of the RP.
All I see lately is brainless loners running everywhere trying to make a buck doing ANYTHING. It's like Darkrp for crying out loud(not yet since there's no DM).
Other than that someone should really say which time line we are using and put it all in one post, everything, the description, who loves who, who hates who and such.
Hey! I'm never mentioning exact timeline as i don't know which one actually!
I've heard only that it's between CS and SoC!
Also yeah loners are abit fucked up.
I don't have any problems with bandits unless they are newbies in rookie suits and title "Bandit".
From the part of canon.... yes mostly i don't like Monos walking aroumd , disguising and so on. it's more or less "Hey! I'm bored! I don't want to switch char i'll put disguised in my title and go to freedom smoke some weed" Seriously you are brainwashed!!!
Suckers (Since when do all suckers become pets ?)
Loners (Well this part is the most fucked up. Loners helping mono , loners helping mili loners making love with mercs! Seriously what?)
Its good that you all agree with how loners are at the moment, it infact makes being a good loner very difficult right now.
Whatever, the server needs to move into COP so players can bring in features that are currently *TECHNICALLY* not neccesarily allowed.
I, for one, have enjoyed using COP's features and using them on my characters Icly and Oocly. Detectors, artifacts, Rping a USS agent that investigated stuff, ect.
Still, that does not excuse loners befriended an entire group of military.
And god forbid if anyone else tried being a USS agent, at least your doing a good job of it.
http://www.forums.hypergamer.net/in-character-information/alphones-leon-schuhart-biography-and-encrypted-pda/ (http://www.forums.hypergamer.net/in-character-information/alphones-leon-schuhart-biography-and-encrypted-pda/)
Strelok's loner is a US ranger. He also RP's it well.
Its new players, a form of canon needs to be enforced... people need to understand that loners are loners, mercs are mercs...
Theres no working together.
I like to think of myself as a good loner.
When ever i'm on my character i tend to set up camp somewhere quite, do some Rp with odd passers by (taught someone to cook yesterday :P), occasionally get eaten by a Bloodsucker, and sometimes robbed.
However the robbing part is not so good.
Don't get me wrong, i'm happy to Rp with a bandit. But when its a LOLbandit, thats a whole different Story. I got mugged by the same Loner posing as bandit 3 times in around 1 day. I don't mind having to give my stuff away it's just that they always result the Rp in killing, they only do this because they can't rp themselfs so they have to kill me off to get to the other victim fast.
So yeah, you right. There is something wrong with most Loners.
Its a fact: Trying to be a canon loner, when you have all these others that are breaching it makes it impossible to get anywhere.
Loners are fucking dumb right now, that's why I swooped in with Defiance.
Quote from: Welek on 08-03-2010
Loners are fucking dumb right now, that's why I swooped in with Defiance.
;) good man, well i have The sanctioned, who are becoming ever so troubled with this loner problem, we are a canon strict group, but with whats currently happening, its killing us off.
Aw, Sanctioned was a good group. I've got my 15 supports for Defiance just waiting now.
Well ... when i'm on my loner , i'm usually wandering around doing passive and so on.
And hide from Radek he is evil to me >_<
I think new people think that being a loner is bad. That's what they think, but STALKER is my favorite character. They try to branch off into something because they consider being a STALKER bad. They just need to understand that if they get gear and weapons, and become famous, they are no loner a failrookie.
Quote from: Cheesums on 07-03-2010
Loners don't necessarily have any set attitudes towards factions, they're loners. They're the people who aren't in a faction, and make their own relations. Really, the problem lies with the mercs/military who are befriending stalkers, seeing as they DO have set relations with other factions.
Quote from: Dark Angel on 07-03-2010
Hey! I'm never mentioning exact timeline as i don't know which one actually!
I've heard only that it's between CS and SoC!
Also yeah loners are abit fucked up.
I don't have any problems with bandits unless they are newbies in rookie suits and title "Bandit".
From the part of canon.... yes mostly i don't like Monos walking aroumd , disguising and so on. it's more or less "Hey! I'm bored! I don't want to switch char i'll put disguised in my title and go to freedom smoke some weed" Seriously you are brainwashed!!!
Suckers (Since when do all suckers become pets ?)
Loners (Well this part is the most fucked up. Loners helping mono , loners helping mili loners making love with mercs! Seriously what?)
Your all idiots exept for Cheesums and DA so far.
I know it's 'boring' to just RP as some random, common character without anything special happening to him (family killed by zone bandits, etc), but there's way too many special circumstances for everything.
Every character has to be super, every character has to have a backround that fits with the faction they are joining, every character has to be good with guns, etc. That's something you don't encounter alot.
It's understandable for a loner or two to know how to function an assualt rifle, but mostly people are going to know how to function simple shit first. i.e breakaction, shotgun, etc.
Stuff takes training to use, and loners are typically people just coming into the zone to make some quick scrilla, that's all. No your not gonna go to the zone to make a family composed of other men looking for artifacts or money, you've probably got a life/wife outside of the zone.
You say there all idiots, yet you don't say anything constructive... Hmmm.
Anyways yeah, seeing the problem within the military its getting way out of hand No offence, but Radek and Wazer, you seem to fall in love with every STALKER that shows up at our front gate, and they feel they can just chill out in the military base with some sort of immunity >:O It makes no sense what-so-ever I propose that there are two major Loner groups (Such as Defiance or The Sanctioned) and when your a stalker you are part of either of those groups, and the two groups are neutral with eachother.
Quote from: Sniper3124 on 08-03-2010
You say there all idiots, yet you don't say anything constructive... Hmmm.
Hey guys, it's not constructive because I don't personally attack people.
I'm rather sure more info can be taken from my post and applied then yours.
I got a simple explination to why the loners flock to mili and Mono. We got money, lots and lots of money.. Traders need to make more missions and so does freedom and Duty couse they are the only people really that should be dealing with loner missions.
Military only uses Mercs and we pay them to do actuall merc stuff, Monolith.. Well.. Heck i have no idea what they are up to but the point is, If traders did their jobs and did missions (I know one or two traders make missions.. Sometimes.) And duty and freedom got some missions up to the cannon would be much better.
It aint that hard making a mission and if you guys are to lasy to make them your selfs Admins can often help you making them or just take a few minutes out of your time and make a few missions and dupe them.
To sum it up, Traders duty and freedom. Stop making Monolith and Military doing your fucking jobs.
To be honest, you cant pin anything on radek, i dont ever see him doing it.
He has a loner, a decent one.
Someone needs to make a Canon guide in honesty.
I won't go in much detail, but I agree.
We are loosing the S.T.A.L.K.E.R atmosphere.
Quote from: The Jackal on 08-03-2010
To be honest, you cant pin anything on radek, i dont ever see him doing it.
He has a loner, a decent one.
Someone needs to make a Canon guide in honesty.
^ Moreor less i've written it in S.T.A.L.K.E.R World Info... but there is not exactly the stuff you might need.
Quote from: The Jackal on 08-03-2010
To be honest, you cant pin anything on radek, i dont ever see him doing it.
He has a loner, a decent one.
Hey guys, this it totally a 'point the finger' thread, and definatly not a thread about how canon in general is being screwed up.
Figured i'de share some top secret info here.
Monolith is doing its IC job. Shooting retarted loners who try and single handedly assault our base, and sending out patrols to clean out the red forest and the swamp, Two mutant areas. In all honesty, if your a loner in Redforest by yourself, you deserve whatever we do to you. Ditto with the Swamps. Those are both highly irradiated and infected with mutants.
I don't think the idea of two main stalker groups is a good one. I do agree that a bit tooo many Loners with "Super" backstories and abilities. I also agree that its strange to see Loner's hiring mercs and bandits, or mugging eachother. Very strange.
Quote from: Judas on 08-03-2010
I don't think the idea of two main stalker groups is a good one. I do agree that a bit tooo many Loners with "Super" backstories and abilities. I also agree that its strange to see Loner's hiring mercs and bandits, or mugging eachother. Very strange.
Well as far as two main loner groups goes, Sanctioned has recently been disbanded, leader has died.
So, hopefully weleks will do a good job.
Quote from: Judas on 08-03-2010
Monolith is doing its IC job. Shooting retarted loners who try and single handedly assault our base, and sending out patrols to clean out the red forest and the swamp, Two mutant areas. In all honesty, if your a loner in Redforest by yourself, you deserve whatever we do to you. Ditto with the Swamps. Those are both highly irradiated and infected with mutants.
I don't think the idea of two main stalker groups is a good one. I do agree that a bit tooo many Loners with "Super" backstories and abilities. I also agree that its strange to see Loner's hiring mercs and bandits, or mugging eachother. Very strange.
Also Judas by that i would like to note that i won't deal with mono's bitching if they get killed in the Swamps or Red Forest. If you go lol lets walk around and kill lone stalkers. Then you should also be ready to loose some monos
Quote from: The Jackal on 08-03-2010
Its new players, a form of canon needs to be enforced... people need to understand that loners are loners, mercs are mercs...
Theres no working together.
What is this, communism?
I don't know how I can illiterate this for you all but here it goes.
THIS IS AN RP SERVER NOT THE DAMN'D GAME OF COURSE IT WONT BE 100% CANON IT NEVER HAS AND IT PROBABLY NEVER WILL BE.
Quote from: Cobra on 08-03-2010
I don't know how I can illiterate this for you all but here it goes.
THIS IS AN RP SERVER NOT THE DAMN'D GAME OF COURSE IT WONT BE 100% CANON IT NEVER HAS AND IT PROBABLY NEVER WILL BE.
Oh hey, it's an excuse to pull shit out of my ass, havn't seen one of those before.
I think (and i'm right, not to sound so full of myself), that people need to realise that it's not 'just' a character they are making, it's a person. A person, who has a SET psyche, will react accordingly in different situations and have their own personality. It's not just a shell that they control to do however they feel, without restriction.
People change slowly, but you can't just be some innocent country bumpkin who needed money and turn into ACTION MAN, and go execute people for your entertainment.
Generally one is affected by their enviroment, and events that happen around them. If your best friend is eaten by bloodsuckers, you may develope a fear of bloodsuckers (not that they arn't fightful anyways). If you've been fucked up by the military, your not going to go make a personal vendeta against them unless you've got that kind of personality/mindset.
In short, people need to think about what they are seeing beyond pixels, they need to re-interperate everything they see and read in the eyes of their character before they say anything.
Random ol' joe isn't going to pass off a bullet wound to the abdomen, where as a blood crazed, mind washed mono may, or a veteran soldier. A random loner, isn't going to go walk up to a flesh and try to kill it for no reason, your going to want to avoid injury, because injury isn't death, you know? I mean, if your walking around the woods IRL, and you see a bear, your not gonna fucking run at it with a knife out and stab it to death because it exists.
Not alot of people RP fear, or analyze situations well enough, or have a very vague interpritation for their char's personality so they can act however they feel, but that's just makes it...what's the word. (forget). God-mody? I think that's it.
Anyways, in short in short, cocks, dicks and Lucidius is a blind,mean, faggot, you should stub his toes.
Also, Commas.
THIS IS A RANT
Also, just because it is RP doesn't mean that canon can't apply.
It may be un-canon for......give me an example, everyone I think of is fucking stupid, i.e talking bloodsuckers.
Quote from: Dark Angel on 08-03-2010
Quote from: Judas on 08-03-2010
Monolith is doing its IC job. Shooting retarted loners who try and single handedly assault our base, and sending out patrols to clean out the red forest and the swamp, Two mutant areas. In all honesty, if your a loner in Redforest by yourself, you deserve whatever we do to you. Ditto with the Swamps. Those are both highly irradiated and infected with mutants.
I don't think the idea of two main stalker groups is a good one. I do agree that a bit tooo many Loners with "Super" backstories and abilities. I also agree that its strange to see Loner's hiring mercs and bandits, or mugging eachother. Very strange.
Also Judas by that i would like to note that i won't deal with mono's bitching if they get killed in the Swamps or Red Forest. If you go lol lets walk around and kill lone stalkers. Then you should also be ready to loose some monos
I like how you jumped to the conclusion that all Monolith are going to be OOC'ly retarded since they don't just fire an automatic guass cannon from their super bunker anymore.
Its even worse with all the supernatural bullshit that happens...
The point is, faction relations and such are the guidlines to the canon, Loners hate certain groups, certain groups hate loners...
People need to stick to that.
In realism, a bandit is going to want to rob a loner, and a loner isnt going to take a chance, hes going to be openly hostile towards him.
Same with mercs, a loner will be openly hostile to him, not like what i see on the server where its:
"Oh hey, you have an FN2k, your a merc, but hey lets be friends because you have good guns!"
^ Also i hate people using 1k and so on in game! Seriously IRL you say i've 1k Dollars?
I agree with Lucidius when he points out that death is thrown around too much.
It seems alot of peoples Rp ability only go's as far as "-man with gun- fires a round into -Loner name-".
Boy what an annoying thread full of annoying bullshit.
Quote from: Bagelz on 09-03-2010
Boy what an annoying thread full of annoying bullshit.
How is it bullshit?
Its a valid point.
Your right on some points, but why loners must act like an A.I ?
Mercs don't kill loners on sight if they don't have a reason to, and viceversa. They work for everybody who haves the cash, and that's their point.
Loners can act as they want.
You have played All stalkers right?
Its not as if this canon is being taken from a book, its directly from a GAME.
And as stalker facts state, loners and mercs are hostile.
Eh, I don't mind loners good with Mercs, but Mili? Holy sheet, WTF has happened? And what's with mono having like 5 pet suckers? never seen it in the game >_< and same for the Sucker who friends with mili, never seen it, don't think it's good for RP, that's what i think, good day.
oh and Bandits can be neutral with certain loners, assuming they did something t get them to that spot.
Yes, there are always variables, sometimes the lion does not kill the sheep, but GENERALLY it does, enforce the common factor and within realism and reason you can bend the canon.
Loners hate = Mercs, Military, Bandits, Monolith.
This should probably be a rule. Mercs always liked to fuck up loners.
If there is no rule thought, will it continue? It should be enforced...
So what, you want to turn this into a dictatorship?
You honestly expect people to follow a rule that you obviously know people will not follow. Forcing loners to HAVE to hate Military is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of, and is a guaranteed way of reducing player-base.
I have to agree with Bagelz.
As long as the Loner has a good Rp reason to like any of those fractions, it should be allowed.
Quote from: Bagelz on 09-03-2010
So what, you want to turn this into a dictatorship?
You honestly expect people to follow a rule that you obviously know people will not follow. Forcing loners to HAVE to hate Military is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of, and is a guaranteed way of reducing player-base.
We have ways of making loners hate us ourselves.
Lets just say we enjoy luring them to the base, they're good target practice :D
Lets look at reasons why Loners hate Military, mercs, and bandits.
Military ITS THEIR JOB TO KILL STALKERS.
Mercs. For reason still not explained, they are in the zone. And they are there to get SOME KIND OF INFORMATION but it is being developed in the STALKER series.
Bandits. They rob, steal, loot and probably rape. Yay pirates. The common folk HATED pirates just as loners hate bandits.
Quote from: Assassinator on 09-03-2010
Yes, there are always variables, sometimes the lion does not kill the sheep, but GENERALLY it does, enforce the common factor and within realism and reason you can bend the canon.
I hate the Master Merc crap, I've seen ALOT more Mercs that've been around longer than present day Master mercs, there are some Master Mercs who act like Master mercs but this...giving some money to somone and becoming a Master of a profession most dont even know how to RP, needs sorting...maybe like a requirement of a Merc to begin with or somthing, it wont get changed but its cool to dream.
And yeah, we had a bloody Jucuzzi in the Train tunnel next to Duty base once, we need some sort of admin that is a sort of...RP Admin, that makes RP for EVERYONE to be involved in.
Quote from: Dark Angel on 08-03-2010
Also Judas by that i would like to note that i won't deal with mono's bitching if they get killed in the Swamps or Red Forest. If you go lol lets walk around and kill lone stalkers. Then you should also be ready to loose some monos
Thats nice. I haven't lost a man on a patrol yet. Please don't automatically assume I'll complain when I do. That's called being hostile. Good for you.
I agree for what is mostly said on this, with the mercs hateing loners and vice versa. But what i really REALLY hate is when im on my Lieutenant, doing my job. Commanding my soldiers, organizing a patrol, dealing with who goes where... And next thing i know, i have a whole party of mercs or stalkers sitting around in the base. Or when someone who works for us, comes in acting all invincible tells me off when I tell him to leave the base with the solid and valid reason, "Listen, you may work for us but your services -AREN'T- Required as of the moment." And i get the same reason back "You can't tell me what to do. Your superiors hired me Just ask blah blah" Listen, i don't give a shit if fucking god came down and told you to come into the base. As long as im the CO in charge, i exspect you to listen. then i get threatened and bitched at OOCly and ICly when they finally leave. I just want the stalkers to stop coming in and occupying the military base. Because im on the edge of just giving the order to shoot whoever doesn't leave when i say so the first time, Employed or not.
My arguement has been stated.
You have every right to shoot the person.
Mercs don't need to hate Loners on principle, but since most mercs work for the military that seems like a valid rule of thumb. Loners should be cautious of mercs but not necessarily hostile.
STALKERs need to fear soldiers more. Part of the problem is a bunch of random STALKERs and bandits are icly friends with some of the soldiers but it's a little weird to see bandits and loners hanging out in the military base. IF anything other loners/bandits should be very suspicious of those guys.
Once again it's role play. Cannon needs to be adjusted in order it to make it Role play.
Quote from: Paintcheck on 11-03-2010
Mercs don't need to hate Loners on principle, but since most mercs work for the military that seems like a valid rule of thumb. Loners should be cautious of mercs but not necessarily hostile.
STALKERs need to fear soldiers more. Part of the problem is a bunch of random STALKERs and bandits are icly friends with some of the soldiers but it's a little weird to see bandits and loners hanging out in the military base. IF anything other loners/bandits should be very suspicious of those guys.
I agree with what your saying about the mercs, but that dosent mean loners should befriend them as best buddies.
I mean in clearsky... how does wolf treat you when you come into the camp? He dosent like you at first.
I always stay away from Military and Monolith base. I even make sure to stay out of the site distance. Cause I know they will kill my loner characters if they get too close.
But I got problems with when they consider me within range of their territory. I have been shot(and hit) by military when atop of the underpass, and they said it was a warning shot. Same with monoliths, I was under the power line tower across from their base, and they killed me. But they shot near me first, and as I walked away they shot me.
I can understand accidental, but I feel like the territory the factions get with bases needed to be limited.
And I'm tired of bandits robbing players and not giving them a chance to do anything but be shot and killed. Only to make sure they wont try to get revenge.
And Loners should have a neutral relationship with anyone, while certain factions have a hostile relationship to loners. Or certain loners. Monolith should shoot all. Military should shoot anyone coming to their base unannounced. Blood Suckers should be hostile to all too. Bandits should have certain relationship with certain players. And Mercs should be on a more of 'Bully-like' relationship with loners.
Mercs usually didn't like Loners, but they could stand to be around them.
In the STALKER games, if Military can see you, they're shooting you, no ifs and or buts.
Quote from: Assassinator on 15-03-2010
In the STALKER games, if Military can see you, they're shooting you, no ifs and or buts.
You forget the part were mili is slaughtered because they cant survive long in the wilds of the zone.
Anywho, Khorn has it down with how "Factions" should be acting towards eachother IG.
Quote from: Pawx on 07-03-2010
Yeah the Canon is shit atm, Monolith is roaming around like a scout party and Suckers are helping Monolith (In stalker I didn't see that...)
In call of pripyat monolith walks around alot.
Wouldn't it be because there are imbalanced numbers of certain groups on at different times. Lack of traders sometimes stagnates things and events in the server and I'm sure other groups with the majority/minority of players are pressed to do something for role-play and entertainment. Which may lead to dumb activities.
Quote from: FullMetal on 20-03-2010
Quote from: Pawx on 07-03-2010
Yeah the Canon is shit atm, Monolith is roaming around like a scout party and Suckers are helping Monolith (In stalker I didn't see that...)
In call of pripyat monolith walks around alot.
Stop playing SMRTER the only place in CoP monolith were at was in Pripyat itself, the reason being the brain-scorcher was de-activated and the monolith mind control is being to wash off as evident through the mono squad in Jupiter.
And if you check the Pripyat Underground theirs a small machine which some speculate help keep them under the influence of mindcontrol.
Quote from: Assassinator on 15-03-2010
In the STALKER games, if Military can see you, they're shooting you, no ifs and or buts.
That is great, BUT this is role-play and this will lead to lot's of bitchy whining and screaming. You are your own character not some programed AI in a game you can make your own choices. No one can force you to make these choices. This is what makes it role play allowing you and your character to have there own experience with there choices that they make and who they role play with. And like I said before it's a fucking role-play; of course the canon won't be right keep bitching because it won't change anything.
Quote from: Cobra on 28-03-2010
Quote from: Assassinator on 15-03-2010
In the STALKER games, if Military can see you, they're shooting you, no ifs and or buts.
That is great, BUT this is role-play and this will lead to lot's of bitchy whining and screaming. You are your own character not some programed AI in a game you can make your own choices. No one can force you to make these choices. This is what makes it role play allowing you and your character to have there own experience with there choices that they make and who they role play with. And like I said before it's a fucking role-play; of course the canon won't be right keep bitching because it won't change anything.
He's being sarcastic.
Quote from: Layton on 28-03-2010
Quote from: Cobra on 28-03-2010
Quote from: Assassinator on 15-03-2010
In the STALKER games, if Military can see you, they're shooting you, no ifs and or buts.
That is great, BUT this is role-play and this will lead to lot's of bitchy whining and screaming. You are your own character not some programed AI in a game you can make your own choices. No one can force you to make these choices. This is what makes it role play allowing you and your character to have there own experience with there choices that they make and who they role play with. And like I said before it's a fucking role-play; of course the canon won't be right keep bitching because it won't change anything.
He's being sarcastic.
Sarcasm is hard to tell on the internet :P