First off, a simple hello, I am back from my ungodly awful, long absence from HGN, and I am here to make a return to the server.
Now then, you may be wondering why I am posting this in The Cordon, the general area for most Stalker related threads.
Well, that could either be the fact that it is to do with an OOC situation that is related to stalker, or my lack of judgement revolving around the HGN forums has gone hazy in my absence.
I am here to bring up a serious issue that I still find to this day unresolved, because I rightfully believe that the situation was mishandled and, due to what I find is a serious lack of understanding on the administrators behalf, judgement was placed unfairly.
I am referring to the PK of 'Dragon', an old character on the server who was declared PK'd by the administrator team back in early March.
Referring back into the day, the initial argument that was posted by Dug to the administrator team whilst he was presenting the case could be considered bias; you can view his post here.
Quote from: Dug on 26-02-2011
Yesterday he shot him self into the head with a makarov and suddenly he's alive telling something stopped a gun to the head. Explenations please. This is a self PK, he shot him self to the head, he should die. Not that I am after Dragon or something. But it's just he couldn't have survived.
EDIT: I've recently gained knowledge that he used a "blank round", I think this is arsepull and that he should have died anyway. We would notice if he used a blank round, if he shot him self blood would come out, if it didn't then we'd shoot him.
EDIT 2: Doom and I were certain he is dead, suddenly "Ololol I'm alive." I'm not allowing this, discuss.
Seems a professional way to put forward my arguments to make this a fair trial, to me, it seems rather one sided, note the parts I highlighted in red.
QuoteYesterday he shot him self into the head with a makarov and suddenly he's alive telling something stopped a gun to the head. Explenations please.
Well then, we already had a problem, Dug presented the administration with false information, for instance, it's blatantly obvious that some vital parts of this trial are still being left out.
Oh, and you never did contact me for an explanation, instead you just jumped the gun and went straight to the other administrators.
QuoteI think this is arsepull
You think it is, yet you do not check with me to verify this, I have no reason to lie to the administrator team.
QuoteWe would notice if he used a blank round, if he shot him self blood would come out.
I chose my moment carefully, you Dutiers were too busy trying to apprehend 'Gearhead' whilst he was fighting against you.
And I recognise the fact that blood would come out, but I never chose to specify that blood emerged from any 'Wound', just like Dug dismissed checking the body for vital signs.
Quote"Olololol I'm Alive.
Yeah, that's really making me seem mature in your argument, you did not check with me to see whether I had a just explanation for the PK, but rather, you simply ignored what you could of done and just went to the other administrators instead.
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Now, I would like to specify to the community what happened on the second runthrough of the trial.
I was explaining to Dug on how a 9x18mm blank cannot kill a man with ample protection to his head, and I presented a picture of different bullets to show how awfully small the 9x18 round was, however, due to lack of image, I had to post up an image of live rounds in comparison to a 9x19mm Parabellum round.
You can view the chart here; (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_B-UsXYlocGQ/TOOg6LE0sGI/AAAAAAAAAco/FMVKhqdfxng/s1600/handgun+cartridges.jpg)
Now, in order to combat his ideals on how blanks were fatal (Despite the only two recorded deaths were either with a .44 magnum blank(A bullet with a lot more power that didn't even kill the victim instantly) and an accidental Squib Load), I posted an explanation to him on the stories, which he used in the argument.
I am not permitted access to view the admin boards however, so I can only assume that most administrators didn't even know a blank 9x18mm round was loaded, but rather a live 9x19mm round, and from the replies to the thread that Dug provided, it dawned on me that they must of thought it was a 9x19mm round.
Quote from: Dug on 02-03-2011
This is what I posted. Quote from: Dug on 01-03-2011
This looks quite deadly to me, but to him it doesn't.
Thoughts?
Quote from: Headcrabs on 01-03-2011
It isn't deadly.
Refer to the story I referred to afew PM back, the .44 magnum only caused a skull fracture and he died from a medical term dubbed depression 4 days after.
A .44 magnum round compared to a 9mm round.
.44 is second from the left, 9mm is second from the right.
Image removed to remove space taken. (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_B-UsXYlocGQ/TOOg6LE0sGI/AAAAAAAAAco/FMVKhqdfxng/s1600/handgun+cartridges.jpg)
The 9mm packs alot less of a punch than the .44, and if the .44 does that, what makes you think the 9mm will do alot more severe damage?
And to clarify, I have a Gasmask, and a Helmet, the helmet in itself has decent protection from ballistic impact, which the force from Blanks are classified as.
Yeah, there is the evidence of him posting that image, and possibly misinforming the administration team.
However, when I PM'd him to repost with the fixed evidence, he insisted that he would not try again with the Administration team, which I found extremely irritating, due to the inaccurate information provided with the first two cases.
Their opinions didn't change the second time, so I could only still assume they were going off of Dugs first post, which was blatantly a biased, one sided post.
Now, onto logic.
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Now, from the responses that Dug included in his PM's, the admins were certainly misinformed whether I actually did use a blank or not.
However, I can only basically sum up a logical look to the situation.
I was the one who took off all my weapons in the room, however, I kept the Makarov stowed away, Duty didn't search me for the Makarov, I was safe.
Now ask yourself, why would I stow away a Makarov pistol, and ditch a black kite and an SVD rifle?
Because it was particularly preloaded with blank rounds for such a situation, maybe?
Naturally, I chose not to inform anyone that I was using blank rounds, particularly because I know what most of HGN can do to get their own way in an RP, being here for more than a year or so has taught me that.
Now, congratulations if you managed to read all that, I am not adding a poll, I would like to hear your thoughts on all of this.
If you do not understand anything, just ask a question, I will do my best to answer it.I would rather this not be locked, but rather kept open, I want to see what the community thinks about this whole ordeal.
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TL;DR - That aside, please actually read this topic, and take it in and post a serious reply, this needs to be resolved urgently and professionally, and your contribution matters.
It's good to have you back but...
*Sigh* I have already put this trough to the admin team. Aka your image of the bullets used here's the qoute.
Quote from: Dug on 01-03-2011
This looks quite deadly to me, but to him it doesn't.
Thoughts?
Quote from: Headcrabs on 01-03-2011
It isn't deadly.
Refer to the story I referred to afew PM back, the .44 magnum only caused a skull fracture and he died from a medical term dubbed depression 4 days after.
A .44 magnum round compared to a 9mm round.
.44 is second from the left, 9mm is second from the right.
(https://forums.hypergamer.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_B-UsXYlocGQ%2FTOOg6LE0sGI%2FAAAAAAAAAco%2FFMVKhqdfxng%2Fs1600%2Fhandgun%2Bcartridges.jpg&hash=c3666bd16be255ef10f105ec1e4ff8e2e485a640)
The 9mm packs alot less of a punch than the .44, and if the .44 does that, what makes you think the 9mm will do alot more severe damage?
And to clarify, I have a Gasmask, and a Helmet, the helmet in itself has decent protection from ballistic impact, which the force from Blanks are classified as.
These were the thoughts.
Quote from: Tom on 01-03-2011
Point blank equals dead, if he shot himself in the Chen, Likely dead
If he shot himself in the nose/mouth/face, Unless it Narrowly misses his spinal cord/brain (Unlikely) dead.
If hes shot himself in the Temporal area of the head He would likely be dead.
Gasmasks are not bullet broof. And when the hell did he load a blank into his gun?
Quote from: Bielecki on 02-03-2011
Its obvious it would kill him, you just need to make your own choice here judging on whats best for him and ther server.
Personally I find headcrabs to be a good player, I'd TK him for a week or two, but it's all up to you.
Quote from: Killabreu on 04-03-2011
Doesn't matter if he's a "good player". Reality rules. A "good player" would know that.
EDIT: Also, I'd like to point out that I've heard stories of .44's actually pushing engine blocks out of place. Just throwing that out there.
There was also a vote , it was 8 to 4.
8 for yes, 4 for no.
And sorry I'm not paid to be professional.
Note, we never told you we were going to kill you or gave any gesture and you were there with us all the time without any sort of /me being done. So please drop it, and make a new char. This is getting tiring. First discussing this with Andy , then you. I've put trough your evidence of the bullet and your explenation, and heard out the admin team. I think it was fair and it wasn't biased. You can ask any admin and they will confirm the above qouting in the thread in the admin room.
I'm sorry but, you have blood like any other human being. If you get shot to the head, blood will burst out. And you can't fake away breathing either. Plus you had a gas mask. When using a gas mask you make loud breathing sounds. There for, if you were alive, we would have noticed you and a human is a being that can hold it's breath the shortest on Earth. You were there for some time that instinct would force you to take another breath. Which we would probably hear.
QuoteYou think it is, yet you do not check with me to verify this, I have no reason to lie to the administrator team.
You wouldn't believe to which limits people go to save their characters and what they do.
QuoteWell then, we already had a problem, Dug presented the administration with false information, for instance, it's blatantly obvious that some vital parts of this trial are still being left out.
Oh, and you never did contact me for an explanation, instead you just jumped the gun and went straight to the other administrators.
We talked a lot about this you and I between the PMs and I have heard your explenation.
QuoteI chose my moment carefully, you Dutiers were too busy trying to apprehend 'Gearhead' whilst he was fighting against you.
And I recognise the fact that blood would come out, but I never chose to specify that blood emerged from any 'Wound', just like Dug dismissed checking the body for vital signs.
You are also ignoring the fact I was next to you all the time.
QuoteYeah, that's really making me seem mature in your argument, you did not check with me to see whether I had a just explanation for the PK, but rather, you simply ignored what you could of done and just went to the other administrators instead.
Refer back to the original post, read it again, it will make sense. Or you can read under.
QuoteYesterday he shot him self into the head with a makarov and suddenly he's alive telling something stopped a gun to the head. Explenations please. This is a self PK, he shot him self to the head, he should die. Not that I am after Dragon or something. But it's just he couldn't have survived.
EDIT: I've recently gained knowledge that he used a "blank round", I think this is arsepull and that he should have died anyway. We would notice if he used a blank round, if he shot him self blood would come out, if it didn't then we'd shoot him.
EDIT 2: Doom and I were certain he is dead, suddenly "Ololol I'm alive." I'm not allowing this, discuss.
I was also in doubt(hence why I asked the admin team for their opinion) and I think the force generated by the gun would kill the person so do some admins who cared to respond to me in the thread.
Guns are not toys, they are meant for killing.
"Guns are not toys, they are meant for killing"
That is all
Quote from: GoKiller on 15-06-2011
"Guns are not toys, they are meant for killing"
That is all
I would like to point out that I realise this, but a gun is useless unless it is loaded.
This wasn't live ammo, but rather a bullet designed not to kill.
If Headcrabs has gone to such an effort to write this up, and produce evidence. He should get the character back.
I highly doubt this has been "resolved", so im throwing my thaughts randomly. :o
Quote from: ThY on 16-06-2011
If Headcrabs has gone to such an effort to write this up, and produce evidence. He should get the character back.
I highly doubt this has been "resolved", so im throwing my thaughts randomly. :o
Encouraging asspulling to avoid PKs is not a good idea.
Quote from: Paintcheck on 16-06-2011
Quote from: ThY on 16-06-2011
If Headcrabs has gone to such an effort to write this up, and produce evidence. He should get the character back.
I highly doubt this has been "resolved", so im throwing my thaughts randomly. :o
Encouraging asspulling to avoid PKs is not a good idea.
Don't be mean to thy... He is just being nice, and how is he asspulling, he basically typed up 4 whole Pages with evidence to not get pkd, he obviously loved that char.
I don't have time to lecture people about blanks. So refrain your self from speaking about something which you don't know of anything or using it at all.
Quote from: Paintcheck on 16-06-2011
Quote from: ThY on 16-06-2011
If Headcrabs has gone to such an effort to write this up, and produce evidence. He should get the character back.
I highly doubt this has been "resolved", so im throwing my thaughts randomly. :o
Encouraging asspulling to avoid PKs is not a good idea.
This too.
Quote from: Paintcheck on 16-06-2011
Quote from: ThY on 16-06-2011
If Headcrabs has gone to such an effort to write this up, and produce evidence. He should get the character back.
I highly doubt this has been "resolved", so im throwing my thaughts randomly. :o
Encouraging asspulling to avoid PKs is not a good idea.
No evidence that it is asspulled is presented, only a line of which from Dugs primary first, I quote;
QuoteI think this is arsepull
Thinking/Predicting =/= What actually happened.
But at the same time, Nor is there any evidence that it is not asspulled, as I never took a screenshot as I RP'd loading the blank 9X18mm rounds into the magazine, because I thought it would not be necessary.
But regardless, get your facts straight before you throw accusations.
First of all, if you shot your self with a blank into a helmet. You'd be left without an ear drum. And it would hurt so much that it'd be impossible for you to fake the death. Second, do you know what a BFA is?
Quote from: Dug on 17-06-2011
First of all, if you shot your self with a blank into a helmet. You'd be left without an ear drum. And it would hurt so much that it'd be impossible for you to fake the death. Second, do you know what a BFA is?
Yes, I do realise that it would permenently damage my characters sense of hearing, but I also recognise that I never feigned death, but rather was hit into a concussion due to the force of the shockwave that the blank emits, so it's not acting, but moreso the lack of it due to the inability to act.
I know how lethal a blank round can be in the circumstances, that's why I chose a measly 9x18mm round over the .50 round the Black Kite chambers, because I knew that I would have to minimilze damage whilst still giving the appearance of death.
Well..when you were hit in ear,throught helmet...You should get only Permament Damage,missing ear,and very bad hearing..
Quote from: Headcrabs on 17-06-2011
Quote from: Dug on 17-06-2011
First of all, if you shot your self with a blank into a helmet. You'd be left without an ear drum. And it would hurt so much that it'd be impossible for you to fake the death. Second, do you know what a BFA is?
Yes, I do realise that it would permenently damage my characters sense of hearing, but I also recognise that I never feigned death, but rather was hit into a concussion due to the force of the shockwave that the blank emits, so it's not acting, but moreso the lack of it due to the inability to act.
I know how lethal a blank round can be in the circumstances, that's why I chose a measly 9x18mm round over the .50 round the Black Kite chambers, because I knew that I would have to minimilze damage whilst still giving the appearance of death.
I don't want to get involved with this, Nor the technical aspects, bit really? How much experience do you have with firearms? And the use of Blanks and Lives?
Quote from: Steel on 17-06-2011
Quote from: Headcrabs on 17-06-2011
Quote from: Dug on 17-06-2011
First of all, if you shot your self with a blank into a helmet. You'd be left without an ear drum. And it would hurt so much that it'd be impossible for you to fake the death. Second, do you know what a BFA is?
Yes, I do realise that it would permenently damage my characters sense of hearing, but I also recognise that I never feigned death, but rather was hit into a concussion due to the force of the shockwave that the blank emits, so it's not acting, but moreso the lack of it due to the inability to act.
I know how lethal a blank round can be in the circumstances, that's why I chose a measly 9x18mm round over the .50 round the Black Kite chambers, because I knew that I would have to minimilze damage whilst still giving the appearance of death.
I don't want to get involved with this, Nor the technical aspects, bit really? How much experience do you have with firearms? And the use of Blanks and Lives?
Being English, I do not have much experience with anything else other than a few 12 gauge shotguns due to the damn restrictions the government has put in place.
However, reading experience wise; I know quite a bit.
Right I'm English aswell, and I have trained with all sorts of things including service rifles from various countries and also pistols, all of different calibres, both small and large and both live and blank. Blanks are loud, perforated drum if that close = a lot of pain, but not enough power to concuss someone.
Quote from: Steel on 17-06-2011
Right I'm English aswell, and I have trained with all sorts of things including service rifles from various countries and also pistols, all of different calibres, both small and large and both live and blank. Blanks are loud, perforated drum if that close = a lot of pain, but not enough power to concuss someone.
A .44 magnum blank when placed against the head is capable of fracturing the skull and causing depression.
The 9X18mm round is a considerable amount smaller, but with that comes a reduce in powder, causing a reduced amount of power.
The barrel of the Makarov was placed against a surface that covered a head, a helmet, before being fired.
The transfer of energy would go into the helmet, and then into the head shortly after.
I understand that 9X18mm rounds are weak in comparison to .44 magnum rounds, however, in the situation, I found myself with a stabbed hand as a possible result of such, a reduced blood pressure.
The force of the energy would certainly be enough to force someone into a concussion.
I understand where you could be coming from, but at the time, conditons were pretty bad.
I did not plot to get stabbed in the hand, I admit, but it happened, and I had to RP it, with it's various amounts of unfortunate consequence as well.
Quote from: Paintcheck on 16-06-2011
Quote from: ThY on 16-06-2011
If Headcrabs has gone to such an effort to write this up, and produce evidence. He should get the character back.
I highly doubt this has been "resolved", so im throwing my thaughts randomly. :o
Encouraging asspulling to avoid PKs is not a good idea.
That isn't what I was getting at, unfortunaly.
And how is this a "Resolved Matter"?
Quote from: ThY on 17-06-2011
And how is this a "Resolved Matter"?
Believe me, this has gone on for so long, despite all of the evidence I have provided, no true compramise has been met whatsoever on the issue.
No light has been shed on the issue, and it is getting pretty tiring, having to fight for a case which, in my mind, could be viewed as an easy resolution if people could just act with a bit of common sense and review the whole situation before coming to any form of judgement.
All in all, I am getting tired and irritated of fighting my case for so long, without making so much as a bit of leeway.
You haven't provided any evidence, you only say something that can't be proven wrong nor right.
Quote from: Renay on 17-06-2011
You haven't provided any evidence, you only say something that can't be proven wrong nor right.
Yes, I awknowledged that a while ago, we all have.
We can only provide accounts to the public on the For and Against sides of this matter.
There are suttle things that people who were there when it occured can agree and disagree on, the primary thing we disagree on however, is the outcome.
You guys make me laugh. All of you. You come in this forum, talking as little Einsteins., each one explaining his own theory, acting like he knows it all. Now I ask you to think that this is a game. Let's not make things difficult shall we ? Let's keep things fun and enjoyning and not go in useless debates on bullets. Headcrab should have his char back with serveral PI's, like being partially deaf.
It's a resolved matter from long ago. There's no further discussion in this.
What the admin team says, goes.
Quote from: Dug on 17-06-2011
It's a resolved matter from long ago. There's no further discussion in this.
What the admin team says, goes.
It was resolved with a vote that was started before any of the actual evidence for and against was contributed to the thread, you made me look like an ass infront of the admin team just so you could balance the votes in your favor.
You also lied to the Administrators,
QuoteNot that I am after Dragon or something.
If you were not after him, you would of given all of this up long ago, it's pretty evident that you have tried your hardest to keep me PK'd.
And I am going to recall what I said before; you posted the picture with the graphs, and insisted that those were the actual bullets that I used.
They were live rounds, and from what you didn't explain to the Admin team, you seem to have insisted that it actually was live rounds that were used, tipping the balance even more into your favor.
When you see somebody post the following;
QuotePoint blank equals dead, if he shot himself in the Chen, Likely dead
If he shot himself in the nose/mouth/face, Unless it Narrowly misses his spinal cord/brain (Unlikely) dead.
If hes shot himself in the Temporal area of the head He would likely be dead.
Gasmasks are not bullet broof. And when the hell did he load a blank into his gun?
It's quite evident that people are misinformed about the happenings during all of this.
What the admin team says can go for all I care, but I atleast want this resolved fairly, instead of having it tipped in the odds of somebody elses favor.
Please do point out where I have lied.
And it is very obvious I've put up a picture which you have given to me.
I also can not influnience on the whole admin team.
Everyone has a mind of their own.
And I won't give up just as you won't. Because I don't allow people to do whatever they god damn please.
For starters, the picture of what I gave you was an example to show how big the round I was talking about in reference to the .44 magnum incident with the Blanks.
It was entirely irrelevant, yet you posted it anyway, saying; "This looks quite deadly to me, but to him it doesn't." To a live round, which would obviously influence the Admin Team to believe I was using a live round.
The closest thing to an actual picture of a 9X18mm blank is the 9X19mm PaK Blank.
(https://forums.hypergamer.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.westernstageprops.com%2Fmiva%2Fgraphics%2F00000001%2Fsa09lr.jpg&hash=3a62c9e61318811b7515a6e1fc2dde3be12e0243)
Hardly seems lethal, and to think, 9x18mm is smaller than that.
And you can influence the Admin team, they have a mind of your own, but they make their descision with evidence, evidence that you have provided.
And it's worth noting that most of the evidence you posted was rather For your point of view, and against mine, hardly seems fair.
Ironic really, you do not allow people to do as they damn please, but yet you do it yourself, not giving that much of a thought to other people and instead catering to your own needs right now, to rather instead of give the situation a fair look, you balance the odds in your favor just so you can get your own way.
If you were a bit more open minded on the situation, and got another admin to overlook this instead of you calling the shots for all of this, then just maybe it could of worked out a lot better for both of us.
Every admin has overlooked your situation. As they have voted. Those rounds also look deadly.
I have provided what you have originally said to the admin team. And no where have I lied. I have merely expressed my opinion of the rounds looking deadly. And I will say it again. Even these look deadly. Your ignorance towards the situation it self is beyond comprehension. You would have died either way, so what's the point of discussing this? If the bullet wouldn't have killed ya, we would.
I will say it once more the admin team can not be influnienced upon no matter what you think of it.
I am giving it a fair look. I have stuided your damn case and I know more of it than you do.
Blanks without protection that are shot to the head result in skull fracture and you can't heal that in the zone. With protection your ear drum pops and hello ungodly and unforgiving pain. No it won't knock you out. Also not to mention, why do people think a trader would sell blanks in the zone? No ordinary stalker needs it so no one would sell it. There for it is a rare IC item, you probably would need an auth for those.
Why the auth? Because if someone sees one guy using blanks to fake death, everyone else will too.
What's next? Blowout survival pills?
Bandit: Give me all your stuff.
Stalker shoots himself in the head.
Hm, it's such a damn shame there is no actual evidence to back up whether the blank would actuall-
Oh wait.
Concussions usually occur at 90 joules of energy hitting the head.
A 9x18mm Makarov round can dispatch 313 joules.
Looks like I would of been knocked out afterall.
And with ample protection, I would of been fairly safe from any form of Skull fracture or depression of the head.
Oh, and they are not really deadly.
Let me bring up a quote;
QuoteJon-Erik Hexum was killed when he placed a blank-loaded .44 Magnum revolver to his head and pulled the trigger—the powerful shock-wave from the blank cartridge penetrated his skull, sending bone fragments deep into his brain. He died a few days after the accident.
.44 Magnum rounds are 2,078 Joules in power, and it was a few days later when he died, and with all that power to an unarmored head?
9x18mm rounds are 313 Joules, it's going to CONSIDERABLY less than a .44 magnum round, and to an unarmored head as well.
Thus, your theory about the blanks being fatal are flawed, whilst I would suffer a concussion, I would also walk away quite happily afterwards due to having protection a bit of protection.
Tell me Dug, is that Ignorance?
The bullet would not have killed me, and you were too busy trying to apprehend Gearhead at the time, and none of you went to inspect the body for lifesigns or signs of death.
That's a fault on your part, but yet you cannot accept that and deal with it, so instead you have to make an unfair argument to the Administration team, just so you can get your way.
And it's funny you mention the Authorization part now, instead of possibly before, or all that time ago.
Running out of points for your arguments?
Oh, and you suggest the admin team cannot be influenced, but that's like saying that in court, the Jury or the Judge/Magistrate are unafflicted by all evidence and pull either the word 'Guilty' or 'Innocent' out of their ass on their own accord.
It does not happen like that, you provide evidence, and peoples views can be altered so long as you provide evidence that can persuade them as such.
Such is life, Dug, people have their own mind, it's just a challenge to change it, you do not realise that.
And I will continue saying it's unfair, you provided evidence for your own point whilst providing no actual evidence on my behalf, you started the votes on false information, and you ended the discussion based on the votes, which is hardly fair at all looking at the circumstances.
Quote from: Renay on 17-06-2011
Bandit: Give me all your stuff.
Stalker shoots himself in the head.
Quality contribution, please post again, I am in awe from how inspiring your words of wisdom contribute to this in any way, shape or form.
You are again ignoring the fact I was right next to you.
So if nothing happened. I'd notice. You were wearing a steel helmet , like you said 9x18.
I still say, you wouldn't have been knocked out but rather scream in pain of your bursted ear drum.
This thread, it reaks of butthurt and stupidity. Can we please just let this go, it's been so damn long since it happened, you seem to have attachment issues Headcrabs. Why can't you just let it go, it's just one damn character.
Quote from: Comradebritish on 17-06-2011
This thread, it reaks of butthurt and stupidity. Can we please just let this go, it's been so damn long since it happened, you seem to have attachment issues Headcrabs. Why can't you just let it go, it's just one damn character.
And you already agreed to letting it go ealier, just after Thy gave his opinion you took it up again.
Quote from: Comradebritish on 17-06-2011
This thread, it reaks of butthurt and stupidity. Can we please just let this go, it's been so damn long since it happened, you seem to have attachment issues Headcrabs. Why can't you just let it go, it's just one damn character.
I do not see this full of stupidity,Headcrabs actually made alot of valid points.
As the dug did too.
I agree it happend long time ago,but this character means to Headcrabs same like Stone to Dug,every character has its own "history" and "story" I do not see a reason why should you actually should keep Dragon PKed.
Just give him permament damages,but let him have the story of the character atleast.
Quote from: Dug on 17-06-2011
You are again ignoring the fact I was right next to you.
So if nothing happened. I'd notice. You were wearing a steel helmet , like you said 9x18.
I still say, you wouldn't have been knocked out but rather scream in pain of your bursted ear drum.
You were behind a desk from what I remember, I was slouched down against the ground after promptly shooting myself in the head, you may of been able to see it, but at the same time, you were also focused on a member of Orion Platoon who was trying to fight himself free, one less threat, one still a threat, which one would take your focus?
You got to remember basic science, the gun was literally touching the helmet of Dragon as it fired, which would mean a lot of the energy would transfer into the helmet, then into the Head of Dragon, which is where he would be KO'd from the force, as it is not far for any force to travel at all, it would retain most of it's power and still have plenty enough to knock him out.
It may be a Steel Helmet, but the Muzzleflash and expanding gas of which would be extremely hot would still burn it considerably, giving a scorch mark and possibly imitating the appearance of a wound.
I think a compramise can be met Dug, but I do not think it ends with a PK, I think it can end at a TK/PI, I also do not mind having the items taken away, as they were left with the Dutiers IC.
Which would end this whole contraversy and we could all go on a lot better than we are arguing here, giving points that can counter and conflict eachothers forever does not really appeal to me, and I know it would not appeal to you either.
Quote from: knife_cz on 17-06-2011
Quote from: Comradebritish on 17-06-2011
This thread, it reaks of butthurt and stupidity. Can we please just let this go, it's been so damn long since it happened, you seem to have attachment issues Headcrabs. Why can't you just let it go, it's just one damn character.
I do not see this full of stupidity,Headcrabs actually made alot of valid points.
As the dug did too.
I agree it happend long time ago,but this character means to Headcrabs same like Stone to Dug,every character has its own "history" and "story" I do not see a reason why should you actually should keep Dragon PKed.
Just give him permament damages,but let him have the story of the character atleast.
Knife is right. You are deff on one ear. Enjoy and no hard feelings.
Alright all of you stop those not involved in the matter get out, take this thread and post it in ok appeals where Duran and I will deliberate on the subject, good day
I think this is resolved now, is it possible this thread can be locked?
You can lock it yer self.
QuoteBlank cartridges frequently contain a paper, wood or plastic plug called a wad which seals the powder in the case. This wad can cause severe penetrating wounds at close range and bruising at medium ranges. There is also the phenomenon of "muzzle blast" - the cloud of hot, expanding gas expelled at extremely high velocity from the muzzle of the firearm. These high velocity gases can inflict severe injuries (see powerhead for an example) at close ranges. Additionally, if there is any small debris lodged inside the barrel it will be expelled at a velocity similar to that of a bullet, with the ability to inflict a severe or lethal wound. Additionally, the extremely loud noise of blanks being fired can damage the hearing of people in the immediate area.
With that said, you have a blown ear drum and your equilibrium is off. Enjoy having a hard time walking and hearing. That's the end of it.