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"Despite everything, I believe that people are really good at heart." - Anne Frank

Do you believe this, if so why? If not why not? I'll begin

I believe this, in spite of all the things that have happened to me in my life everyone is forgiving in a way or another, I've lost so many people in my life because of many reasons, the worst loss in my life was due to terrorism. I still believe they're good people, the reason for this is because they can be manipulated on the look of Americans and Canadians. They think we're bad people bbut they never knew the reality, the government is bad but not all of us! No matter what though, they may have taken the life of a loved one I still forgive them, to think the USA is over there killing hundreds of innocents I can see why they're upset. Throughout everything I still believe everyone, no matter who is good at heart.



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Right and wrong is just a concept that can be easily modified depending on your views, just as good and bad. It all depends how you view it as a singular person.


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I believe people are capable at being 'good' but as human history shows us thise that care die whilst those that hate thrive. It's like one community DDoSing another. You're cutting the competition, yes, but you're killing someone else's work. So yea, conditional because good to Exile may be bad to me and vice versa.



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You've got to be ready to stand up and fight when things arnt working out to all odds possible, giving up isnt a option.  People may be bad towards you but if your going to just drop and give up everything then I guess your just as bad for giving up.  There may be points where you want to give up and stop, but you got to keep fighting.  So is everyone good at heart?  Depends if what they are fighting for at the end of the day was really worth it.

I think Caesar was good, people view him as if he wasnt because he killed people.  I know alot of people who killed people, friends in the army and yet they arnt bad?  Whats the diffrence?  They both fought for their people, for the peoples intrests and try to deliver through combat and sacrifice. Theres no diffrence, just methods and rank. 

What about the SS and the Nazi's?  Were they all bad people just doing duty for money?  Were they bad because they had a family terrified if they died at home?  Right and wrong, good or bad is a black and white concept.  Theres a truth which lays in the middle, and the middle is purely the objective and strive in my eyes.

So that leads me back, if you want somthing to work or somthing to go your way.  You need to fight for it with all your might so others may reconise that as well as yourself.  They can judge all they want, but in the end what you think is the only thing that matters, its your brain after all.



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I disagree.

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Nope. People are naturally evil. Look at what happens when you give anyone any sort of anonymity (ie the Internet). That should be all the answer you need.

People are CAPABLE of doing good but they are not good at heart. Read Machiavelli.
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Nope. People are naturally evil. Look at what happens when you give anyone any sort of anonymity (ie the Internet). That should be all the answer you need.

People are CAPABLE of doing good but they are not good at heart. Read Machiavelli.




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Nope. People are naturally evil. Look at what happens when you give anyone any sort of anonymity (ie the Internet). That should be all the answer you need.

People are CAPABLE of doing good but they are not good at heart. Read Machiavelli.

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Ill keep this short.

There are alot of nasty, hateful, evil corrupt bastards who would rather see humanity burn for their own selfish sadistic reasons. There are very few out there who are kind and caring people with a "good heart".

Some people just want to see the world burn, and for the most part, everyone with it.


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Ill keep this short.

There are alot of nasty, hateful, evil corrupt bastards who would rather see humanity burn for their own selfish sadistic reasons. There are very few out there who are kind and caring people with a "good heart".

Some people just want to see the world burn, and for the most part, everyone with it.

I second this, but I still believe everyone is good somewhere in their heart.



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Good Heart'o'meter

Baby - Good\Neutral
Toddler - Good\Neutral
--------Self awareness comess into play, decision making time-------------------
Child
Teen
Adult
Elder

The four above is when the person's allignment gets decided, their personality and such due to background, education and possibly to an extent maybe genetics. Everyone is born "neutral" It's when they are able to make decisions and are self aware is when their allignment as to whats right and wrong comes into play.


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Nope. People are naturally evil. Look at what happens when you give anyone any sort of anonymity (ie the Internet). That should be all the answer you need.

People are CAPABLE of doing good but they are not good at heart. Read Machiavelli.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

Anton LaVey is another who supports this claim. Hell, he even believes that the "sins" of human nature are a good thing. LaVey claims stupidity is the true root of all wrongdoing and evil however. Not to be confused with being na´ve, which is when someone may not know better, but can be taught and can learn from their mistakes if given proper criticism, advice, and facts. Stupidity however is when you reject all three of those things and continue to pursue an idea or behavior that is destructive in some form or another. Anyway I'm getting off track. Let me rewind.

Humans are not kind by nature. It is through life that we are taught morality. Amusingly, I cite this argument when arguing against anarchy, numerous forms of Marxism (Socialism, Communism, etc), Libertarianism, and so on.



Alternatively...

Touching on Exile's point, some believe that we are not capable of being judged until we reach the ability to make our own choices. Did you know in some religions, such as Islam, children automatically go to heaven should they die by some misfortune? Until they reach puberty, it is believed they do not have the decision making to understand or do evil, thus they cannot go to hell for that would be unjust.

But...

Now defending my initial point, what about these atrocities we've heard about young children or even toddlers murdering siblings [link] or other kids? Sometimes with no moral regrets what so ever. Should they be put on trial as adults?



We could go on for hours on this controversial topic. I love controversy.
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Great couple of points there Spades, but think throughout history, the holocaust, the civil war, iraq, everything and think to yourself "So no matter what these people weren't good at heart in one way or another?" It sounds untrue that these people just don't have anything good about them at heart


Going onto that 2 year old thing
You can't blame a 2 year old kid for hitting another kid, it's not like he meant to kill her if he did he would've stabbed her or something and then laughed, maybe he did I really can't say.



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I just had to post here. You see, there's this thing called...

Idiots.

(stolen from Last.Exile)
"Normal people"(~1950-2000)

Good Heart'o'meter

Baby - Good\Neutral
Toddler - Good\Neutral
--------Self awareness comess into play, decision making time-------------------
Child
Teen
Adult
Elder

"Normal People"(Present day)

Good Heart'o'meter

Baby - Good\Neutral
Toddler - Good\Neutral
--------Self awareness comess into play, decision making time-------------------
Child - Neutral
Teen - Modern-day cur.
Adult - Fools who waste their money on meaningless items and are too lazy to get a job
Elder - Still Neutral/Good due to being from a while ago.

The thing I'm getting at is, society has changed. People were bad, but they're worse now. If you've ever stepped foot in a high-school, you know what I mean. The "Good Heart'o'meter is more like this:

Good Heart'o'meter
Horrible
Horrible
Horrible
Horrible
Horrible
Horrible

Humans are capable of such evil. In WWII, for example, people were treated and disposed of like garbage. And don't you even play the "There's good in people too" card, because overall? We suck. Big time. "Oh, but people give to charity!" Well then we would be all be living in equal status and homes, right? Nope. "Oh, but KONY2012!" Yeah, sure. Dis you see their business plan? 16.24 of ~20,000 is a lot. but ~9 million? They were taking almost 1/5 of that money for "Management & Retail".

So what good are we capable of? Not much. We raise 9 million dollars and fell like we've made an impact on the world, go back to our jobs, when billionaires donate that every year, and still have plenty of money. We don't notice we're like the ants of society at all, our impacts are tiny. Now if those actors and writers decided to donate and pool money like us, but in much larger quantities, we wouldn't have o donate at all, and they would make a big impact.

I've rambled, and it's 2am so I probably wrote some stupid things in here, but feel free to reply.

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I noticed how annoying you are with that blue text, but I didn't want to write anything into terraria/minecraft threads.
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Going onto that 2 year old thing
You can't blame a 2 year old kid for hitting another kid, it's not like he meant to kill her if he did he would've stabbed her or something and then laughed, maybe he did I really can't say.

I know of a case when a couple of children stalked and beat to death another small child, even younger than they. They lured the victim out of their yard and then pummeled them to death on some railroad tracks... all the while grinning and laughing. These atrocities do exist. Rare, fortunately, but they do exist. They would not if not for something in human nature driving it, because at such a young age, there is little the world can do to corrupt them.



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I noticed how annoying you are with that blue text, but I didn't want to write anything into terraria/minecraft threads.
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Homosexuals are good natured, da?

I don't see how it's annoying, so deal with it unless you have a good reason, please.

Also, nobody is good natured. That's like saying Americans sit around, play Skyrim, and stuff their faces with McDonald's. A stereotype.

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Max, I'm 16 and you're saying everyone at a high school is terrible, if you get to know some of the more quiet people in school maybe you'll understand, we have problems too but we're not total dickheads about it, I'm pretty damn shy in school all the while giving out whatever money I can spare to friends, the shy kid heart'o'meter for me is

Good
Good
Good
Good
Good
Good
Dick, but good at heart.

Humans are terrible by nature but that doesn't mean we're terrible at heart, I think I'm helping when in reality I'm hurting. It's something we do or do not realize, if you do realize it and continue you're a dick, other way around, fix the things you've done.

TL;DR

People are good, shy kids are p good, everyone is good in my eyes, humans are dicks, bullies, accidental fuck-ups can be fixed.



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Define: "Good at heart" vs. "Human nature" please because you keep saying "Humans are naturally evil but they are still good" which is a contradiction.



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I bet this is already out somewhere but I can't exactly remember who it was but it was either Locke or Machivilli who stated that humans are born good just society introduces corrupt nature.


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