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Alright folks, this has been done a few times before. Thanks to the wipe we have active eco's (well more then before the wipe) and we need a bit of funding. Since the paycheck is now hourly and it's only two hundred we got jack shit for mission rewards! This is why, I ask -again- for an update on the ecologist supplies. They would be broken up between the Ecologist and Scientist flag, the ecologist leader would gain both supply tables.

Now, my first idea was the items we gain are removed from the trader supplies. This would make people go to a trader for one thing and, come to the ecologist for another. The supplies as stated would be broken up depending on the flags. These items would fit into the role-play perspective of being funded by the government, thus easily gaining equipment for their needs. (For gods sake in SoC the eco calls in four gun ships to destroy the x16!) Now, this would also benefit people who want to RP "Eco-stalkers" on server as well, seeing as the gear they receive is from the ECOLOGIST.

Scientist = Med kits(all),stalker suit, SEVA suits, G36, anti-rads. (respective ammo.)

Ecologist = delight,Groza,Eco suit, Colt 1911,and Walther P99(respective ammo)

Ecologist Leader = Access to both,and chase 13(with ammo) (Ecologist suit)

Now with the whole leader gaining both supplies, a few of you might be thinking "oh lawlz, Cole you want it for yourself!". Well, you're wrong. The Ecologist leader is as the title tells: THE LEADER! Thus he would gain access to both supplies. Sure that would make me the best man to see, but I'm not always on and this encourages Ecologist to stay in the lab along with people wanting the scientist flag (They get no suits or weapons... just a blue kliener). All this would cause me to wipe the faction and start a new mind you.  I just hope this is accepted and. if it needs a bit of tweaking then so be it, whatever the hell would make people interested in just yelling as us because we cant pay for an artifact or give money for missions like traders all thanks to their damn SELL tab in their inventory.Now, if the suggestion is shot down like always, then maby ecologist NEED a higher paycheck. This too would make sense due to them being scientist working for a goverment. Now, if it is passed then any ecologist using it to give himself a weapon will be judged and if found guilty of "abuse" will be removed from Eco.

Now, if we had the gauss rifle i would say 300k for the baby and give it to eco leader!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7LzuKkcfK4

Scientist = Med kits, Army Med Kits, Scientist Med Kits, Ammo, G36, Groza, Stalker Suit, SEVA Suit, Ammo

Ecologist = Colt, Walther, Ammo, Delight, Bread, Dog Meat, Eco Suit

Ecologist Leader = Access to both. (Ecologist suit)

Only using real items that are ingame at the time.

I also suggest that the TU can still sell them, but the Eco's can buy all of them at a largely reduced price and sell them for a lower price.

Hmm...some of  that might work a bit better, plunger. I'll edit the supply ideas.

As for the whole TU thing, it was just a bastard idea i was thinking about. I guess a talk with bagelz on that (if) the supplies for eco are ever accepted. It wouldn't be "removed" but maby "blacklisted" due to em being modern militay weapons.  Then again, people are "boarder hoppers" in the zone xD.

hmm... 22 veiws and only me and you have posted <<

Quote from: Coletrain on 17-09-2009
hmm... 22 veiws and only me and you have posted <<

Hah, now I've posted.

Yeah, I think ecologists should get more supplies other than the suits, and we should also be able to buy artifacts for missions.

I just hope it get enough backing, as for silver being busy well... he can get a laptop god damn it!

Support. Eco's should have access to supplies, we only have access to suits.

You guys a passive rp faction, the hell do you need grozas and g36s for.

Traders are suppose to passive, why do they have spas-12's!

Why would ecologists get the 2nd best AR? Normally they just have a pistol, or l85's.

Supplies mean what they can sell, Not what they use.

Quote from: Coletrain on 18-09-2009
Traders are suppose to passive, why do they have spas-12's!

To defend dah shop, you have no idea how much whining we go through, and occassionally someone goes behind the bar and refuses to leave, thats where the gun comes in. I think that Ecos should get lower tier weaponry, being Scientists and all, even if they are supported by the Military.

Occassionally, due to buggy door owning.. People tend to run into the lab and office.. Gun are required then! Besides we wont USE THEM

Moved from ecologist sub-fourm.

I agree that you should get some supplies to sell. Would be good, but remember, the Traders of the Zone are in fact Traders. We sell and buy stuff. That's our job, that's what we do.
You are Ecologists, you study the Zone etc. You're not shop owners or barkeeps.

Ofcourse you should get something to sell, I couldn't agree more, but really, heavy rifles like Groza and G36?

Giving the fact you got "but really?" If you want to put a whole spin on "Why would a goverment funded, military approved orginization have military grade weapon?" I can easily defend it by saying "Why would civilian traders have the latest military equipment, which would make it illegal?"

Need i remind you Professor Sakharov is labeled as "TRADER" for the ecologist, why do they have such equipmnt? DO EQUIP STALKERS THAT WILL ASSIST THEM! That why.  Seeing as the military are in S3 and eco's are in S1, we cant exaclty go "HELP US MILI" and wait 10 minutes for them while we got a bloodsuker on our asses.

You have a point Coletrain, and it's a good one.

"Why would civilian traders have the latest military equipment, which would make it illegal?"
You're right, it would seem weird that we would have the latest military equipment, but then again, perhaps we have dealers and manufactors that sells us the equipment? Perhaps we have an arrangment with a military manufactor or with someone that ships us the equipment?

It's easy to come up with explanations, ideas and thoughts about why it would be like this/that or why it shouldn't, but we have to keep in mind that whatever will be decided can't be something that ruins the rp for either one of us. That's why I don't like the idea that we should take away for example the Groza or G36 from our supply list.

Though I agree with you. Ofcouse Ecologists should get something that will improve their Rp experience, in this case, so that they can earn more money or protect them selves.


The mainpoint is that we have to agree on something that works for everyone and that benefits the server and its players.

The whole "remove the weapon from traders that are giving to Eco" was just an idea, i'm not supportin that. Now if thats what you're worrying about, then dont worry.

Quote from: Plunger on 18-09-2009
Supplies mean what they can sell, Not what they use.

FINE JEEZ

Yeah, go for it.

I think they should also charge a bit more against neutrals, and if they are friendly with anyone chare a flat rate.

They are scientists, you'de think they'de try to make as much coin as they can and push for research, hiring escorts so they can conduct experiments, etc

Reason i made the Eco-stalker application a while back, due to no real gear to give out.. I removed it. That's another thing to be added back if supplies get passed.

Eco-Stalkers:Friendly

Quote from: Coletrain on 20-09-2009
Seeing as the military are in S3 and eco's are in S1, we cant exaclty go "HELP US MILI" and wait 10 minutes for them while we got a bloodsuker on our asses.

Yea i've stated this as a problem several times.. Srsly it's our job to potect you but you never even try asking us. I've been asked to help out like.. Hmm 2 times? Like klp4 said I agree that you should have supplys but there is no need for you guys to get G34s and Grozas.
The military is meant to be your weapons.. So you know.. Let us Ffs..

Quote from: Coletrain on 20-09-2009
Moved from ecologist sub-fourm.

Quote from: Plunger on 18-09-2009
Supplies mean what they can sell, Not what they use.

Yea i know that but why would they sell it ? Dosent make any sence.. Scientific supplys sure but not heavy weapons.

Quote from: Radek on 21-09-2009
Yea i know that but why would they sell it ? Dosent make any sence.. Scientific supplys sure but not heavy weapons.

Exactly. Perhaps some weapons, but maybe not the heavy ones.

Like I said, the TU is willing to help you guys any time. But it's a shame I hardly see any ecologists...

I have graphic card problems, as for the others.. WHO KNOWS! Maby with the fact Ecologist are not HELPFUL to the god damn stalkers because they CANT do anything due to  not having enough cash to buy artifacts! There needs to be a TRADE off somehow to normal people would bother other then "i haz missions cum gets". Maby instead of Ecologist, we could wrap to 20010 Ecologist could be CLEAR SKY! That would make people want to come on over. The whole poin is so ecologist have something to do beside getting pwned by Monolith. As i'v stated  in the first post..

Supplies or increase eco payout and include a SELL Tab like traders do.   Acording to Silver Ecologist are the mission men. When a player refuses a payment they consiter "low" they walk off and go to a trader.  Why bothere having Ecologist faction IF we're not usefull to the players in somee way.

Bagelz, i get it. You've statedd it enough but as i said..TU is a last resort, that to people who want to bring up logic "Wouldnt make sense for medical supplies to be sold from Tu to scientist". We all get the points but really ask the game Developers "Why do Scientist have weapons in a dangereous, unexplored enviorment".

Ecologists: Neutral (-|-----------------------) Friendly

"You've completed the quest, 'Finding an Artifact'!"

"Your reputation with the Ecologists has increased by 50!"

Some supplies to pay the Stalker with would be neat, like medkits or stuff like that for example. Or maybe ammo or food. And positive reputation with them. :3

Quote from: Radek on 21-09-2009
Yea i know that but why would they sell it ? Dosent make any sence.. Scientific supplys sure but not heavy weapons.

Then explain why in ShoC Ecologists sell heavy-weaponry, ammunition and first aid kits of different variations in their lab.
Because they need the supplies. They need scientific medical kits and anti-radiation drugs due to the dangerous assignments constantly thrown at the Ecologists.
The Weaponry wouldn't be frequently used by the Ecologists, maybe sold to Stalkers or given as rewards.

In short, Ecologists NEED these supplies.

To put it simple the ecologists have different supplies such as ammo, weapons food ect. Take an example from yantar eco bunker. You could buy decent weapons from just a bunch of eggheads. These supplies doesn't mean they're a diehard trader faction or a military power, it just makes them more usefull when say, no traders are online and gives them more perpous, having these supplies doesn't mean they know/have to use them.

Oh god, Which one of us retards voted for the bottom one.


















/cough

Quote from: RayDark on 24-09-2009
Oh god, Which one of us retards voted for the bottom one.
/cough

Bagelz, duh.
Also I support the selling of low-grade NATO weapons by Ecologists, maybe like a G36 or Sig550 OCCASIONALLY to REALLY WELL TRUSTED STALKERS. But besides that nothing else, also restrict selling depending on if their friendly/neutral/hostile to Ecos.

also USP's mayhaps?

also:  "depending on if their friendly/neutral/hostile to Ecos."

Prices should fluctuate depending on said status aswell

Of course, i've always loved how traders limited their supplies to you. Depending on you'r standing.

Quote from: Coletrain on 15-09-2009
This too would make sense due to them being scientist working for a goverment.

Russian government is not like our government from what I hear.