The Mosin Question

[Spades_Neil]

Now I've heard mixed desires for the Mosin Nagant in STALKER. Some people believe it should remain a high tier, high power weapon because after all it was a damn good sniper rifle.

Others who have played things like Misery Mod believe the Nagant should be an entry-level weapon. Makes sense... The gun is old, and probably beaten up, and doesn't fire like it used to.

Personally I think it should be a mid tier weapon that serves as a slower-firing, unscoped substitute to the SVD Dragunov.



I don't like nerfing damage because it doesn't make sense for two different guns firing a certain bullet to do more or less damage. Sure some weapons have higher muzzle velocity than others using the same rounds, but the difference is negligible. But this isn't a simulation. This is a roleplaying server. I therefore have to maintain balance when scripting new SWEPs. So how am I supposed to balance it?

I can sacrifice accuracy for a cheaper pricetag. I can leave it highly accurate and highly powered, but then the weapon becomes more expensive because demand goes up. The question is what the community wants.

Post below for your preferences on how the Mosin should be handled. Should it be a cheap, poorly maintained but widespread rookie weapon? Should it be another average weapon for sharpshooters who prefer a Mosin as their first stepping stone toward a more reliable sniper of some kind? Or should it remain a high tier weapon that only the veterans carry around for its sheer power and accuracy?

[Steven :D]

Widespread & rookie.

[Gonztah]

Widespread & rookie.

I agree with this.

[Lent23]

Widespread & rookie.

I agree with this.

[Rebel6609]

Why start a new topic on this.. seems rather unnecessary.

Not so much "wide spread" but definitely a rookie weapon. Obviously it should have its downgrades from a modern sniper. Poor rate of fire, good damage and less accuracy than the SVD and a pain in the ass reload time. Its meant to be shit compared to modern day weapons.

[irondeity]

Ill need to agree with the aboves. It is indeed roleplay rather than simulation, but the Mosin is also the single most mass produced weapon in existence. Theyre everywhere, and theyre as cheap as a dinner at Olive Garden for two people.

[Lent23]

Ill need to agree with the aboves. It is indeed roleplay rather than simulation, but the Mosin is also the single most mass produced weapon in existence. Theyre everywhere, and theyre as cheap as a dinner at Olive Garden for two people.

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Oh cool, I can farm one in three hours of playing SRP

[Ragolution]

Ah, nope. It's just me, Gabe Newell.

[Spades_Neil]

Why start a new topic on this.. seems rather unnecessary.

Wasn't aware that there was a Mosin discussion thread. There's another discussion thread but right now I want feedback regarding only the Mosin.

[Frostee]

Why not just make a "Spades' Development Megathread" thread and put everything you have done on it.

[Spades_Neil]

Why not just make a "Spades' Development Megathread" thread and put everything you have done on it.

>implying I've done that much

All I do is script SWEPs lol

Such a thread would only provide an opportunity for me to spam the crap out of the forums bragging about the trivial tasks I have performed. Unless you guys are legitimately interested in hearing what progress I've made.

[Frostee]

Why not just make a "Spades' Development Megathread" thread and put everything you have done on it.

>implying I've done that much

All I do is script SWEPs lol

Such a thread would only provide an opportunity for me to spam the crap out of the forums bragging about the trivial tasks I have performed. Unless you guys are legitimately interested in hearing what progress I've made.

Refer to http://www.forums.hypergamer.net/the-cordon/srp-script-updates-radiationscript-4worldscript/

[Spades_Neil]

Why not just make a "Spades' Development Megathread" thread and put everything you have done on it.

>implying I've done that much

All I do is script SWEPs lol

Such a thread would only provide an opportunity for me to spam the crap out of the forums bragging about the trivial tasks I have performed. Unless you guys are legitimately interested in hearing what progress I've made.

Refer to http://www.forums.hypergamer.net/the-cordon/srp-script-updates-radiationscript-4worldscript/

>still implying I've done nearly that much work

I don't think you get me Frostee.

[Khorn]

I don't think you get me Frostee.

Whoever does?

[Tom]

I don't think you get me Frostee.

Whoever does?

[Ragolution]

so yeah I think the mosin should be mid-level gun

because you guys don't know how guns work

why don't we make all of the guns balanced and not trashy?

like that makarov

everyone loves (see: hates) the makarov because of how accurate it is

[Plunger]

Why not just make a "Spades' Development Megathread" thread and put everything you have done on it.

>implying I've done that much

All I do is script SWEPs lol

Such a thread would only provide an opportunity for me to spam the crap out of the forums bragging about the trivial tasks I have performed. Unless you guys are legitimately interested in hearing what progress I've made.

Refer to http://www.forums.hypergamer.net/the-cordon/srp-script-updates-radiationscript-4worldscript/

>still implying I've done nearly that much work

I don't think you get me Frostee.

Are you trying to greentext on HGN.

[Ragolution]

Why not just make a "Spades' Development Megathread" thread and put everything you have done on it.

>implying I've done that much

All I do is script SWEPs lol

Such a thread would only provide an opportunity for me to spam the crap out of the forums bragging about the trivial tasks I have performed. Unless you guys are legitimately interested in hearing what progress I've made.

Refer to http://www.forums.hypergamer.net/the-cordon/srp-script-updates-radiationscript-4worldscript/

>still implying I've done nearly that much work

I don't think you get me Frostee.

Are you trying to greentext on HGN.

I'm part of the quote pyramid too

[lolKieck]

How the fuck can a Mosin Nagant be less accurate than an SVD? A Mosin Nagant's effective range is 500 metres and when comparing accuracy, it was on par with a Kar98, which in turn was considered a Rifleman's Rolls Royce.

[Lent23]

How the fuck can a Mosin Nagant be less accurate than an SVD? A Mosin Nagant's effective range is 500 metres and when comparing accuracy, it was on par with a Kar98, which in turn was considered a Rifleman's Rolls Royce.

Because this is a roleplay, not a gun simulator.

[Lent23]

How the fuck can a Mosin Nagant be less accurate than an SVD? A Mosin Nagant's effective range is 500 metres and when comparing accuracy, it was on par with a Kar98, which in turn was considered a Rifleman's Rolls Royce.

Because this is a roleplay, not a gun simulator.

That is such a retarded answer Lent that your post gave me a cancer.

It's similar to asking how a Sunrise can actually have a bullet resistance of 30% when it's essentially made of leather and plastic. It explicitly says in-game that it has hardly any resistance to a meager 9mm (A caliber with notoriously bad stopping power, if you've ever actually compared calibers) Why do we have it as 30% then? Because it's meant to act as a game mechanic, rather than a completely 100% realistic representation of leather and plastic.

[Spades_Neil]

How the fuck can a Mosin Nagant be less accurate than an SVD? A Mosin Nagant's effective range is 500 metres and when comparing accuracy, it was on par with a Kar98, which in turn was considered a Rifleman's Rolls Royce.

Because this is a roleplay, not a gun simulator.

That is such a retarded answer Lent that your post gave me a cancer.

It's similar to asking how a Sunrise can actually have a bullet resistance of 30% when it's essentially made of leather and plastic. It explicitly says in-game that it has hardly any resistance to a meager 9mm (A caliber with notoriously bad stopping power, if you've ever actually compared calibers) Why do we have it as 30% then? Because it's meant to act as a game mechanic, rather than a completely 100% realistic representation of leather and plastic.

He's got a point.

Even still, 500 meters? Most modern military rifles can already hit up to that range accurately if given to a good marksman if I am not mistaken. The SVD Dragunov was designed by the Russians with a new philosophy for all troops to be capable of long-ranged engagements up to 800 yards, further than any assault rifle can effectively engage at. A literal army of snipers. I think the idea was discarded, but the rifle remained in service. That being said, the Mosin, if only capable of hitting accurately up to 500 meters, therefore is not as accurate as an SVD.

Assuming I remember my research correct.

Regardless, so far it being an entry level weapon is being the vote. Provided, 'entry level' does not mean 'shit horrible accuracy' it just means it'll be balanced toward the lower end of the weapons. The Makarov for example actually shoots effectively in the new SWEP base, but it's still inaccurate for both realism and gameplay. My excuse for the Mosin's potential lack of accuracy is "the gun is old and doesn't fire like it used to." I might just make a second SWEP of the same gun but a sort of "refurbished" version, meaning it'd instead be a mid-level weapon with better accuracy and less recoil.

[Khorn]

Other than that this is for a game, how many people plan to have gun fights at that range of 500 meters? And without a scope.

Make them both entry, just the refurb be cheaper even more, but less accurate.

The Mosin is a cheap gun for anyone to use. It's accuracy will depend on who's shooting it.

Accurate but with a bit slow rate of fire and reload time. No need to put another weapon out of reach of freshly spawned stalkers/players.

[Sharrock]

Do any of you even own a mosin?

[Frostee]

Do any of you even own a mosin?

Do you?