Poll
Question:
Should we generate a new map?
Option 1: Yes
votes: 25
Option 2: No
votes: 15
We're considering resetting the map.
Do it?
Y/Y
Yes!
ive seen the map , i think its time for some change
If the reset of the map were to happen then is it likely that resetting the map will become commonplace, or is this just a one off? Also what kind of map would we want to be generated and how long will it be before the map is reset?
Way to make it so you can vote for everything. I think you should restart your poll.
Quote from: Paintcheck on 17-04-2011
Way to make it so you can vote for everything. I think you should restart your poll.
haha you noticed that to :)
I would be all for it, If i could use... i dunno, Mc edit to make a Boat/hq for my faction? if not, then i'd really rather not, i got everything nicely laid out. aslo, would a map change effect inventories? i'm guessing not.
Reset vote due to stupid options.
You all going to give up this easily? The amount of effort I spent in to building in this server theres no way that is just going to be just another waste of time. The world is a mess yes, but why dont you go and do somthing about it? Go and get some supplies, mae a village, town or city. You dont need admins to help you, the castle me and matt made was completely from mined cobble stone. Look at the quote below this message, take into account what it means, and help make Aceon a better place without resetting the map.
If Admins would use world edit/Giving themselves a load of Dirt (If world edit doesn't work to make hills) then the admins that caused the total amount of shit on the map could fix it easily.
I think leaving the server the way it is is fine.
I don't see why we need a reset.
Perhaps from now on if a some kind of rule regarding tidiness and making the place look nice were introduced? (Gosh i feel like my mother)
Quote from: Xerdun on 18-04-2011
Perhaps from now on if a some kind of rule regarding tidiness and making the place look nice were introduced? (Gosh i feel like my mother)
I agree no one wants to see floating remnants of someone's house they just abandoned .
An a border to the world would be nice that way it would be more Rp driven , in other words when someone wants to Rp a event with me i dont have to walk for 20 min to reach them . I dont know if adding it now to the map we have would be an issue but theres a chance you might cut people off from there faction HQ's which seem to be the only buildings people care about so im unsure.
Silver added in a boarder system to prevent people from walking 10000000 blocks into the wilderness since that is very taxing on the server itself. I think right now there is a 2000 block radius in each direction from spawn which should be more than enough room to build but not so far as to take hours to walk.
Would resetting the map affect our inventory and/or our iconomy credits?
Yes, it will reset your inventory, it will not reset your iconomy credits however.
Quote from: Tom on 18-04-2011
If Admins would use world edit/Giving themselves a load of Dirt (If world edit doesn't work to make hills) then the admins that caused the total amount of shit on the map could fix it easily.
I'd be willing to do this If some one provides materials....
Well the fact that everyone is so hugely spread out is a valid issue. The griefing of the large settlements near spawn pushed everyone to opposite ends of the map which makes RP hard. In that regard a wipe would be helpful.
But I put a lot of work into my little corner of the world and don't really want it to be destroyed.
Im gonna have to change my vote to a No.
I believe we should because:
1. Everyone will be closer, thanks to the boundaries mod, which means that we can RP more, and Iconomy will actually have a purpose.
2. Less Lag on the server because of everyone being spread out God knows how far from the spawn...
3. Being closer together, it will be easier for the admins to keep an eye on things.
Sure, we may lose things we put a lot of work into, but its for the best, so we should all try to stop being selfish and think of the server as a whole, rather than "oh no i'll lose MY stuff..."
And if griefing is a concern, there are mods that can remove that issue, or at least reduce the chances of it happening...
Quote from: Bfranx on 18-04-2011
1. Everyone will be closer, which means that we can RP more, and Iconomy will actually have a purpose.
2. Less Lag on the server
3. Being closer together, it will be easier for the admins to keep an eye on things.
sure, we may lose things we put a lot of work into, but its for the best, so we should all try to stop being selfish and think of the server as a whole, rather than "oh no i'll lose MY stuff..."
I think a lot of people are voting yes for the selfish reason that they believe they've already lost stuff due to the borders and griefers so feel that they everyone should have a fresh start.
Also 1) This is a good thing but perhaps we could try and advertise the server a little? Forum banners perhaps that we can add to our signatures in forums that we know will attract the right kind of people (as opposed to l33t kids).
2) Is lag really that bad now? And its unlikely to get worse with the boundaries in effect?
3) If we all work together united as a server to clean griefers work when we find it then admins job would be made a lot easier and we can tidy up the world we have now.
This reply was meant objectively, not as an ad hominen attack :)
I'm for resetting it I've had a minecraft server and know how important a clean server. A messy server is an instant turn-off for players.
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I think a lot of people are voting yes for the selfish reason that they believe they've already lost stuff due to the borders and griefers so feel that they everyone should have a fresh start.
Also 1) This is a good thing but perhaps we could try and advertise the server a little? Forum banners perhaps that we can add to our signatures in forums that we know will attract the right kind of people (as opposed to l33t kids).
2) Is lag really that bad now? And its unlikely to get worse with the boundaries in effect?
3) If we all work together united as a server to clean griefers work when we find it then admins job would be made a lot easier and we can tidy up the world we have now.
This reply was meant objectively, not as an ad hominen attack
All very good points. however:
1. There really is no escape from 1337 kids, the most we could do would be limit how many join...
2. For those who live in Europe? I don't know, but for those of us who live in the Americas, lag can be troubling...
3. Without admins spawning materials, only admins with world edit can fix griefing damage
Are people doing it because they've lost some of their things? Yes, im sure there are a few, but my concern is more about people who have everything, and refuse to give it up as a result...
Hmm i suppose you're right about the l337 kids, its an inescapable problem.
I didn't even think about how distance can affect performance, sorry that was ignorance on my part!
Admins can spawn materials if they need to? Myself and Paint fixed an unsightly Griefcano today.
If I'm honest if the server map does reset I'm not going to be that fussed, I can rebuild relatively easily.
My only concern is that if the server is to be reset then I'd like it to be done sooner rather than later, the uncertainty is making me apprehensive about building anything new.
This.
I voted no but could you change it to yes?
When is the poll going to be closed and decision reached?
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I agree with Xerdun. If you are going to reset the map, do it because I don't want to build anything knowing it's going to be deleted.
If yes can I help build the castle I made an awesome Canterbury Keep the other day although it took me like 2 weeks to make
No, everyone made their stuff. It might is kinda messy but if we would get an plugin that allows to set a new spawnpoint the old area can be avoided.
The spawnpoint must be placed somewhere good tho.
In time the new server is just gonna get messy again. If we tidy up some of the stuff that's been destroyed purposely, removing the floating blocks and messed up parts, they could look like ancient ruins that can be explored by newer players. This means nobody has to start over and what's been left to rot by people can look a little more visually appealing.
Well tbh I voted no at first and wish I had voted for yes because now I can't change it, but the reason I tried to change it was because with a restart people will be able to build fresh with new ideas. Also it will be alot more tidy especially if we establish some sort of road. With new factions now coming in, it will also be easier for everyone to get an even amount of ground rather than having a faction thats been established for ages crushing any effort at another faction taking ground. Plus in responce to greatscawt's comment, if you want ruins you can make them anyway and it will be messy I feel to get dirt and attempt to fill in griefing and random holes.
now the servers back up and running some 20 seconds ago is the map reset going ahead or are we going to forgot the poll completely?
Yes. 8)
After last night I'm fairly sure that the server will not be reset. If everyone continues in the vain of yesterday evening, grouping together to fix the massive scars on the landscape, then I think we can save the server from reset.
Quote from: Xerdun on 27-04-2011
After last night I'm fairly sure that the server will not be reset. If everyone continues in the vain of yesterday evening, grouping together to fix the massive scars on the landscape, then I think we can save the server from reset.
Waste of time.
Quote from: Ragolution on 27-04-2011
Quote from: Xerdun on 27-04-2011
After last night I'm fairly sure that the server will not be reset. If everyone continues in the vain of yesterday evening, grouping together to fix the massive scars on the landscape, then I think we can save the server from reset.
Waste of time.
Well Silver doesn't seem to think so
Quote from: Xerdun on 27-04-2011
Quote from: Ragolution on 27-04-2011
Quote from: Xerdun on 27-04-2011
After last night I'm fairly sure that the server will not be reset. If everyone continues in the vain of yesterday evening, grouping together to fix the massive scars on the landscape, then I think we can save the server from reset.
Waste of time.
Well Silver doesn't seem to think so
I disagree with silver's opinion, then.
Why repair when you can just discard and remake it?
Right now it's not a matter of "Why" it's more of "Why not"
We've seen a clear majority for people in favor of a new map.
But how many of those people had actually been on the map and built something meaningful before voting in the poll? That's something that needs to be considered.
And also the man hours it will take for everyone to rebuild will take much longer than the time taken for people to fix the map we have, if we all work together
Quote from: Xerdun on 27-04-2011
But how many of those people had actually been on the map and built something meaningful before voting in the poll? That's something that needs to be considered.
And also the man hours it will take for everyone to rebuild will take much longer than the time taken for people to fix the map we have, if we all work together
I heavily disagree with your second point.
Quote from: Xerdun on 27-04-2011
But how many of those people had actually been on the map and built something meaningful before voting in the poll? That's something that needs to be considered.
And also the man hours it will take for everyone to rebuild will take much longer than the time taken for people to fix the map we have, if we all work together
Lots of people who have big cities voted yes. Also you aren't taking into account the benefits of starting over, you're only looking at the cost of rebuilding.
For 1, the world wouldn't be horribly word-edit raped.
For 2, people would be closer together, increasing RP.
Quote from: Paintcheck on 27-04-2011
Quote from: Xerdun on 27-04-2011
But how many of those people had actually been on the map and built something meaningful before voting in the poll? That's something that needs to be considered.
And also the man hours it will take for everyone to rebuild will take much longer than the time taken for people to fix the map we have, if we all work together
Lots of people who have big cities voted yes. Also you aren't taking into account the benefits of starting over, you're only looking at the cost of rebuilding.
For 1, the world wouldn't be horribly word-edit raped.
For 2, people would be closer together, increasing RP.
This.
I have built and demolished four cities.
Myself.
I built them.
I demolished them.
I've got one standing, right now.
I want the map wiped and other people in similar situations as me concur.
I don't understand why you're so adverse to the idea of rebuilding? If you came and helped it would be sped up even more, especially with your admin powers. If we start over you're just going to demand worldedit again, build and rape cities and complain about griefers, and then you'll want to start over again.
Personally i don't think griefers are the problem, i think its everyone's shitty attitude towards rping with one another. Distance isn't an issue either, especially with the boundary, people travel to rp.
Griefers are definitely the problem that's why we're all so spread out, to avoid being right next to spawn and getting griefed. It's hard to RP when the next town over is a half hour walk and since no one knows where anything is you don't even know which direction you need to spend that half hour in.
Map reset would fix the damage caused by the griefers. People would still spread out but they wouldn't go as far away from spawn as they are now. I'm currently at an X and Z coord that is at least 1700 blocks or so from spawn in one direction and a good 800 in another. That's a long walk.
When was the last time anyone was griefed though? I've not seen or heard of any new griefing since joining the server, its just the remnants of past griefing that everyone's too lazy to tidy up. We could just as easily repopulate the villages near the spawn and build cities closer by, now. There's nothing to stop you doing that, the way you're talking is like the whole maps been griefed, which it hasn't, just some parts have already been built on, and then they move it. This ridiculous cycle of building and griefing your own cities through fear of griefers. It makes no sense that you do more damage to the cities you built than a griefer could. And a tool such as world edit could be used to fix the problem but a lot of the problem has been caused by the tool, such as the massive craters. That's not griefers, that's the people who are meant to be taking care of the server. The admins. And that's not me pointing fingers, just an observation
Well moving everything so far away has made griefing pretty unlikely since no one is going to walk for 20 minutes irl just to be a dick. But it has wrecked RP.
And Hessen, the guy who did most of the World Editting shit, had his admin removed.
Then why not move our factions closer? Keep your other bases still and build new ones closer to the spawn? This rebuilding of the server is helping to create a feeling of community between the players. What's to stop everyone just going miles away again if we do reset the map?
Because Silver will install the boundary mod that is on now to limit expansion to a certain degree.
After seeing yet another epic mess on the server I'm now at the point where I'm not fussed one way or the other, just so long as a decision is made one way or another soon. Its being dragged on needlessly and I don't think people are going to mind on the whole if they don't get their choice, its just the uncertainty is driving people away from the server. As the majority of people seem to want the server reset, perhaps it would be wise to go with the majority. I, like everyone else can rebuild, and we can all take more responsibility in not messing everything up
Quote from: Xerdun on 27-04-2011
After seeing yet another epic mess on the server I'm now at the point where I'm not fussed one way or the other, just so long as a decision is made one way or another soon. Its being dragged on needlessly and I don't think people are going to mind on the whole if they don't get their choice, its just the uncertainty is driving people away from the server. As the majority of people seem to want the server reset, perhaps it would be wise to go with the majority. I, like everyone else can rebuild, and we can all take more responsibility in not messing everything up
pretty much, right now I just want this to be settled ASAP because I don't see the point of building needlessly if it's just gonna get reset
Maybe there should be a new poll with the options yes, no and decide as soon as possible either way
I have joined today. And I can tell you, it feels like just me playing on a world. There is so very little RP theme to it. There are messes of just crap everywhere. You can't find anyone to interact with ever, because everyone is so spaced away. All-in-all the current server is just a magled mess. So the way I see it is that we have one option.
Reset the server. We then can put limitations up. Not make thhe world smaller, but the towns/cities easier to locate. Perhaps put the spawnpoint in a protected city. Once people get a certain disrance from the city they may build. This process will take time, but will look good.
I joined for the first time ever aswell. And frankly I must say, That was dissapointing I just saw a whole bunch of emptyness and junk laying around I think its a good idea to reset cause there was NO interaction with other people there everyone was just to far apart
Aceon will be wiped. Thanks for playing.