Opinion Polling - Communistic Society

[Khorn]

This sounds like its starting go a bit sour.

[Plunger]

Thread shouldn't have been until proper backstory, and name were finished. Now everyone assumes the communists are going to be a faction, and no one wants to RP a communist in the Fallout setting. And it didn't help that even some admins who weren't in on it's creation are posting stuff like, "It is a very marcist faction that is completely communist", I.E. Ranma's entire backstory, which confuses the shit out of people, and makes this group seem like the next USSR when it isn't.

The group just works like how communism is supposed to work, which for some reason Ranma got completely wrong. Everyone has a job to keep the town running, and everyone has equal say. That's the plan, not Ranma's backstory of, "One speaker who decides!" bullshit.

Ranma you're backstory says it's a communist society, but you keep saying they elect leaders, and the leaders make the group decision, that is not communism.

[RanmaChan]

Actually, according to the poll, eight people would be interested in doing just that, RPing a Communist in the Fallout setting.

[Plunger]

And eleven say they wouldn't want to join it.  Last I checked eleven is higher then ten.

[RanmaChan]

Where are you getting 13 from?

8 people say they would join it and RP in it.
2 people say they would join it, but wouldn't want it to be Communist.
8 Say they wouldn't join it, but believe it would be a good idea.
3 say that it wouldn't work.

18 people say they support it, 3 say they don't support it.  10(give or take the two possibly) say they would RP it, and 11 say they wouldn't RP it.  I see 13 here nowhere.  Overall, the idea has more support then it has detractors.

[Plunger]

If it's advertised IC'ly on the server as a communist city then there would be a hell of a lot of persecution towards the group, as the communists before the war were being shot in the street, and was the most hated group in America.

[RanmaChan]

But how many people other then the Enclave, BoS, and Vault Dwellers (all people in bunkers with computer databases), even know that the war was against China?  This is a post apocalyptic future nearly two hundred years later.  Hell, how many people would even care, considering they would be getting food, water, and shelter?

That, and China isn't actually Communist in either Fallout canon, or in our world today.  Regardless though, my point stands.  I doubt many people would be knowledgeable about the war.  I may be wrong though.

[Plunger]

But how many people other then the Enclave, BoS, and Vault Dwellers (all people in bunkers with computer databases), even know that the war was against China?  This is a post apocalyptic future nearly two hundred years later.  Hell, how many people would even care, considering they would be getting food, water, and shelter?

That, and China isn't actually Communist in either Fallout canon, or in our world today.  Regardless though, my point stands.  I doubt many people would be knowledgeable about the war.  I may be wrong though.

Have you even played either Fallout game, there is more propaganda about hating the "Chinese Communist Pigs", then NPC's.

[RanmaChan]

I have played all three Fallout games (1, 2, 3, and NV) and I don't really remember a lot of people talking about China at all.  Hell, in Fallout two the survivors of a Chinese Nuclear Submarine actually started up a thriving settlement in a Chinatown district (I can't remember the name of the city it was in at the moment) and they received no hostility or attacks, even being the descendants of the very people who had launched some of the nukes.

Edit:  Here is the wiki page on them, it was in San Francisco.  http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/San_Francisco

[Plunger]

Mostly because the entire town are the communists, rarely do you see any foreigners in the town, probably because it gets sacked by Enclave, Super Mutants, and Raiders every other day. Fallout 3 even had Chinese Officers, and soldiers as enemies, they were still thinking ghouls, who went out of their way to try, and kill people. Not to mention communism is hailed as the cause of the nukes by most.

[RanmaChan]

Actually, as I remember it, there were a lot of people living in the town, seeing as how it was the remains of San Fransisco as well.  Then counting traders, and migrating Wastelanders.  The city wasn't attacked by the Enclave, or Raiders.  The Enclave being too busy, and the Raiders being too weak.  Super mutants were only the remnants of Master's army, so they didn't play a large factor in that game at all.

Plus, those three factions attack anyone and everyone, whereas regular Wastelanders, and even the NCR and BoS left the city alone.  The BoS being the remains of the United States military would definitely know that China launched nukes against the USA, and they don't act hostile.

Yes, Fallout 3 had Chinese remnants, but I always thought of them as Easter Eggs, considering that you only find them in one or two places.  Take into account our area as well, we are in the middle of nowhere, those Chinese remnants were in the Capital of the United States.

I honestly don't think many Wastelanders would know China or "Communism" were the cause of the war.

[Khorn]

First of all, it wouldn't be called a communist system. ICly, it wouldn't be called a communistic system. OOCly it would be.

It was just thought that a faction based on a system similar to communism could work.

Paint and I talked about that most people wouldn't know about communism and that Enclave would be the closes to thinking of calling it communism. It be similar to how vault's government systems would go. In a small sense.


EDIT:
I also wonder why this was posted this when the actual discussion for a faction has yet to go anywhere.

[Plunger]

Actually, as I remember it, there were a lot of people living in the town, seeing as how it was the remains of San Fransisco as well.  Then counting traders, and migrating Wastelanders.  The city wasn't attacked by the Enclave, or Raiders.  The Enclave being too busy, and the Raiders being too weak.  Super mutants were only the remnants of Master's army, so they didn't play a large factor in that game at all.

Plus, those three factions attack anyone and everyone, whereas regular Wastelanders, and even the NCR and BoS left the city alone.  The BoS being the remains of the United States military would definitely know that China launched nukes against the USA, and they don't act hostile.

Yes, Fallout 3 had Chinese remnants, but I always thought of them as Easter Eggs, considering that you only find them in one or two places.  Take into account our area as well, we are in the middle of nowhere, those Chinese remnants were in the Capital of the United States.

I honestly don't think many Wastelanders would know China or "Communism" were the cause of the war.

A couple of things:

1.) Are you saying that Operation Anchorage, a DLC, was one big easter egg?
2.) The Chinese Assault Rifle, the Chinese Pistol, the Zhu-Rong v418 Chinese Pistol, the Chinese Commando Hat, the Chinese Army: Special Ops Training Manual, the Chinese Officer's Sword, and the Chinese Jumpsuit are all easter egg items?
3.) NCR discovered that the Chinese had tried to sabotage the Hoover Dam.
4.) Multiple terminals throughout the wasteland show that the Chinese as firing the first nuclear weapons.

[RanmaChan]

1.  I already said the Brotherhood knew all about the Chinese, they don't care, and I doubt that they would go around telling Wastelanders.

2.  I am not saying that those items are Easter Eggs, but that the Chinese enemies were.  But how would people reach the conclusion that Chine started the war from the items around?  I bet that there would also be tons of Russian, Canadian, German, American Southern Confederate, items all around, et cetera.  You get my point.

3.  Thats the NCR, all the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over on the West coast.

4.  Yeah, but I doubt that regular Wastelanders know how to use those terminals.  The Lone Wanderer did because he was raised in a Vault, and regardless, those terminals were all in military complexes that very few Wastelanders would go in, and that were all the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over on the East coast.  We are in the middle of nowhere.

5.  ??

[Plunger]

This isn't real life Ranma, everything is very exaggerated, most wastelanders can read, as seen by all the holotapes, and terminals in peoples houses. Chinese weaponry being so prevalent would definitely set off flags if the world was nuked. Ranma, you do know Kentucky isn't just some flat plain, it has military structures, that would have logs of the Chinese war, and people would have spread rumors about the Chinese.

In reply to your previous post you should know the BoS are just deserters of the US Army, the Enclave are the actual remains of the US Army. BoS just hop shipped, and hid in a fort, the Enclave was the shadow government behind the vaults, that basically ran America. Please read the faction backstories if you're going to co-lead one.

[RanmaChan]

The BoS are the remains of the American military from one of the forts on the East coast, yes, and the Enclave are the remains of the American government.  If you want me to be excessively specific about everything in every post I make, I am sorry, that is impossible.  Plunger, you are just acting vindictive now, and I don't believe I deserve the be insulted in this manner.

If you truly believe that Wastelanders would know about China, Communism, and the history of the Great War, then we just do what Khorne said, don't refer to the society as Communist.  There you go.

[Plunger]

The BoS are the remains of the American military from one of the forts on the East coast, yes, and the Enclave are the remains of the American government.  If you want me to be excessively specific about everything in every post I make, I am sorry, that is impossible.  Plunger, you are just acting vindictive now, and I don't believe I deserve the be insulted in this manner.

If you truly believe that Wastelanders would know about China, Communism, and the history of the Great War, then we just do what Khorne said, don't refer to the society as Communist.  There you go.

Disagreement =|= Personal Attack

The BoS deserted before the bombs even fell in 2077.

[gamerhead]

Ranma dude please read up on your Fallout cannon here is the wiki link to the brotherhood all you have to do is click scroll and read.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Brotherhood_of_Steel

[RanmaChan]

I don't understand, how does me saying they are the remains of some of the US Army, still not make sense even if they deserted slightly beforehand?  They were trained soldiers from the United States Army, and were some of the only ones to survive.

Please read the faction backstories if you're going to co-lead one.

That is completely unnecessary.

[Plunger]

I don't understand, how does me saying they are the remains of some of the US Army, still not make sense even if they deserted beforehand?

Please read the faction backstories if you're going to co-lead one.

That is completely unnecessary.

Considering I took the time to write it you could at least take the time to read it.

[RanmaChan]

Wow, are you seriously going to use a little technicality like that?  They still originated from the US Army.

Regardless, this is far, far off topic now.

[Plunger]

Wow, are you seriously going to use a little technicality like that?  They still originated from the US Army.

Regardless, this is far, far off topic now.

Obviously then the A-Team are the remnants of the US army as well, I mean they originated from it.

[Recreas]

Can you guys discus this in SF? Because really I don't care that much about you guys opinion over the U.S Army.

So stick to the topic and just write down why you'd like or dislike this idea.

[Paintcheck]

Plunger at first it was helpful, now it is just trolling. Shut up and stop trying to get a rise out of him. EVERYONE can tell that is what you are doing.

As for why there is no detailed backstory yet the point of this was to see what the forum users though before I spent a long time drawing up plans for a faction no one would like. This isn't the only option to replace FRA it just seemed like the Communist spin would be helpful in ensuring this faction didn't ally with the BoS or Enclave and also, like Anton said, would attract wastelanders by providing them shelter and food for free/cheap and a more cooperative overall society.

[Recreas]

Plunger at first it was helpful, now it is just trolling. Shut up and stop trying to get a rise out of him. EVERYONE can tell that is what you are doing.

As for why there is no detailed backstory yet the point of this was to see what the forum users though before I spent a long time drawing up plans for a faction no one would like. This isn't the only option to replace FRA it just seemed like the Communist spin would be helpful in ensuring this faction didn't ally with the BoS or Enclave and also, like Anton said, would attract wastelanders by providing them shelter and food for free/cheap and a more cooperative overall society.

Yea, I've been trying to attract people to my town lately. To slightly replace the FRA for the time being.
I mostly offer housing to people and in return they work for me. They either scavange or do some easy work for me. Sometimes they pay in caps. For the rest it's mostly trading and holding of angry raiders.