Ive already explained this to several people and i dont want to continue explaining it.
The Enclave and the BoS have been trying to fill spots that were for main\core factions on the fallout server. However both are rather antisocial to other factions\groups and both grew to the point of going outside their law (Too many players when both were supposed to be small outpost groups)
The Enclave are similar to monolith in the respect that it's an additional faction, it's nice to have but they don't really add much other than, combat, fearrp and an addtional aspect to the wasteland. They keep to themselves. Whereas the BoS are like the ecologists in srp, they are a supportive faction due to trade and somewhat-friendlyness towards wastelanders and other such groups.
Several of us have been 'rackin' our brains over what our core factions can be. Here's 3 idea's ive come up with.
Imperials (Similar to the ncr - militarised like faction) - East Central Republic
Anarchists (Communist like renegades faction) - The Red Militia
Cultist tribals (Has a love for chems, abit nuts but still civilised) - (Something?)
I still say my Marxist Communist idea for a faction would work perfectly.
And wiping the BoS is going too far, it is unnecessary. We can chop out people who don't play, and reform ourselves even further, but it doesn't need to be wiped.
The fact of the matter is, Exile expected BoS to be -tiny-, which I believe constitutes to maybe about 5 or 6 people all together. More wasteland groups may sprout up in the shutdown of Enclave as well. Was fun RPing as a prisoner for the short time I was able.
Edit: Example of the 'Party' One Paladin. One Scribe. 2 Knights. 2 Senior Apprentices. No Order heads and No elders as itd be more of an small outpost group. Which opens the Apocalypse bunker and CRC_Desert bunkers up to wastelanders as a force that small would have no need for either
THERE ARE NO FUCKING REPUBLICS
Holy shit how are people smart enough to create a republic with any knowledge of government!? It'd be an oligarchy or monarchy due most people wouldn't want to come together and form a congress to rule the land.
No they'd want to fucking get as much power as they could and being waving they dicks everywhere saying "LOOK HOW MUCH LAND AND STUFF I GOT! WHAT DO YOU HAVE!? NOTHING!"
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THERE ARE NO FUCKING REPUBLICS
Holy shit how are people smart enough to create a republic with any knowledge of government!? It'd be an oligarchy or monarchy due most people wouldn't want to come together and form a congress to rule the land.
No they'd want to fucking get as much power as they could and being waving they dicks everywhere saying "LOOK HOW MUCH LAND AND STUFF I GOT! WHAT DO YOU HAVE!? NOTHING!"
Calm down, first of all not all knowledge was lot, and because somehow most people could still read after the war they still could find information from books and etc.
Besides the idea of a government system is easily thought of, the greeks could do it back in their time. It wouldn't be a miracle if somebody could more then 2000 years later.
Still the Republic idea is getting overdone alot
Quote from: RG4ORDR on 13-04-2011
Still the Republic idea is getting overdone alot
It's a game, besides we have no idea what's happening in this area in the era we're playing.
Maybe that part had fully running towns (very unlikely) and everything.
Just saying, how about having both. The East Central Republic fighting The Red Militia?
Would be a good idea, because Exile said that Enclave = Monolith, BoS = Eco. It still means we need factions like: Duty and Freedom. Duty could for example be those East Central Republic whilst The Red Militia/Tribists could be Freedom.
The tribal faction should be the one of Ragolution's. He had a good idea.
I'm calling 'dibs' on anything resembling a communist faction.
I suggest some form of Monarchy faction, that would actually be pretty intresting if pulled off correctly.
I call the monarchy faction, if it does come into play.
But since we're making up random monarchies and republics, why the hell Enclave and BoS can't be in the numbers they want to be ?
Please don't claim anything or say you'll make something if you don't have a clear idea of what you're going to do.
Right now, I have an extensive backstory for the minor faction I'm making.
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But since we're making up random monarchies and republics, why the hell Enclave and BoS can't be in the numbers they want to be ?
Because it leads to retardedness where the Enclave stays small like they are supposed to and the BoS turns into the STALKER military and kills the server due to being so massive that no one can fight it.
EDIT: Who the fuck deleted my earlier post? I'll summarize it: Why are you all trying to create a STALKERish feel to the factions here? HGN has a STALKER server, play there. FO wasn't supposed to be STALKER: Shadow of Kentucky, it was supposed to be different. A lot of you are calling for factions to be "Like Freedom" or "like Duty". That doesn't make sense, there is a STALKER server up if you want to do that.
Nice idea exile.. Would be good to have someone other than BoS... Because that is the only real faction that lets wasters in :P
My main is gone, sadface. . .
Though I do see 1 duty and 1 freedom like faction up there.
Post 10000 here. W00t.
Looks like this communist thing is happening.
Happening by who? Cause me and Ragolution were going to implement it ourselves. Lol.
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Happening by who? Cause me and Ragolution were going to implement it ourselves. Lol.
Shhh shhh don't spoil it
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But since we're making up random monarchies and republics, why the hell Enclave and BoS can't be in the numbers they want to be ?
Because it leads to retardedness where the Enclave stays small like they are supposed to and the BoS turns into the STALKER military and kills the server due to being so massive that no one can fight it.
EDIT: Who the fuck deleted my earlier post? I'll summarize it: Why are you all trying to create a STALKERish feel to the factions here? HGN has a STALKER server, play there. FO wasn't supposed to be STALKER: Shadow of Kentucky, it was supposed to be different. A lot of you are calling for factions to be "Like Freedom" or "like Duty". That doesn't make sense, there is a STALKER server up if you want to do that.
But.. you just said that BoS would turn out as STALKER Military, so your kinda doing the samething.
Which if you would READ I said that that is not a good thing.
Would be nice if people didn't read the first sentence of half my posts and go "ZOMG contradictioN!1!!1!one!!!"
BoS ALREADY turned out as SRP Military, huge, only caring about weaponry and gear and dominating the wasteland.
Quote from: Ralazo on 15-04-2011
BoS ALREADY turned out as SRP Military, huge, only caring about weaponry and gear and dominating the wasteland.
Because once we realised there was multiple factions spurred against us, we had the choice to either thrive or die.
Why do you feel attacked again? It's unnecessary to respond to my post.
Quote from: Ralazo on 16-04-2011
Why do you feel attacked again? It's unnecessary to respond to my post.
My point being, if you re institute the Brotherhood of Steel, you can't have them with threats on all sides or they'll have to resort to everything they could, like we did.
I think my idea would fit in well: a church of mildly fanatical knowledge seekers, organized, good backstory, not very hostile to wasters, the thread is in playerbased groups, I have duties, branches, a hierarchy, belief system, relations, etc. still a work in progress so I'm open to new ideas.
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Why do you feel attacked again? It's unnecessary to respond to my post.
My point being, if you re institute the Brotherhood of Steel, you can't have them with threats on all sides or they'll have to resort to everything they could, like we did.
Or be crushed.
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Why do you feel attacked again? It's unnecessary to respond to my post.
My point being, if you re institute the Brotherhood of Steel, you can't have them with threats on all sides or they'll have to resort to everything they could, like we did.
Or you could actually, y'know, not be super-aggressive and be really like "Yeah, we are going to get in everyone's business because thats completely how the BOS were in Fallout, amirite?" Garnering enemies is kind of why you had threats on all sides. If you hadn't constantly battled people, none of that would have happened.
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Why do you feel attacked again? It's unnecessary to respond to my post.
My point being, if you re institute the Brotherhood of Steel, you can't have them with threats on all sides or they'll have to resort to everything they could, like we did.
Or you could actually, y'know, not be super-aggressive and be really like "Yeah, we are going to get in everyone's business because thats completely how the BOS were in Fallout, amirite?" Garnering enemies is kind of why you had threats on all sides. If you hadn't constantly battled people, none of that would have happened.
I couldn't help that part, honestly. The whole relations nightmare of the BoS wasn't of my doing and when I saw how much of a bind we were in, I had to resort to it, really.
All in all, don't Troll.