Now, I know there's experimental FTL drives, I know that we have space ships, but what we don't know, is weapon and armor tech.
Sure, the world was blown up but in the span of 260+ years, we manage to make Spaceships and shit, and your telling me that we're still using weapons made and designed in 1998-?
Can you bring some enlightment on this section here? I mean, from 1890-1980, look at the VAST advancements in weapon tech, that's 90 years. We're talking about 260+ years and yort telling me that they havn't bothered to advance any further? I mean, some weapon designs ARE reliable, but you have to keep in mind, that these things need to function in very dusty, sometimes lowgrab-vaccum enviroments, and they still keep IMI Jerico's?
Armor is always going to be improving, and with armor improvement, new ways to counter that in weapons will be needed, thusly weapons are going to need to be re-designed around that. Look at Dragonskin (just an example), now imagine Dragonskin after hundreds of years of refinement and additional tech research. It'de be thousands of times better, and most handbun calibres would be completely defunct.
Another thing you need to keep in mind, Technology is EXPONENTIAL, discoveries in technology/science only lead to a bunch more discoveries, which only lead to more.
/rant.
Please clarify.
The thing is that Desertia is too far away for the best tech to arrive, therefore, 21th century tech is mostly the best tech available, but you do see special weaponry around. Like the experimental Mark 24 Particle Splitter, used by high class XEM Officers only.
There is high tech around, just hard to get.
He does make a good point, even if it is far our many of the people there whether they're miners or with CE or whatever other faction would have some more high tech shit then 21st century technology.
Quote from: Lucidius on 12-03-2010
IMI Jerico
Someone read my character sheet.
Quote from: Layton on 12-03-2010
Quote from: Lucidius on 12-03-2010
IMI Jerico
Someone read my character sheet.
I read everyone's, and yeah I HAD posted on there saying something along the lines of 'I don't think they have those in 23xx", but I figured that 1) that was a bit rude and 2) I read Sniper's profiles and he listed real world guns on both of them so i'de make a thread discussing it as to avoid in-inentional personal violation and to make it more general.
Srsly though, manufacturing would be so much easier for more advanced or just different designs then pre-2000 crap :/. Or even simpler designs.
Honestly this needs serious addressing because from reading character profile it already sounds like Paintcheck's 'ass pulled weapons and gear' thread. Shall I quote?"
Quote from: Lucidius on 12-03-2010
Quote from: Layton on 12-03-2010
Quote from: Lucidius on 12-03-2010
IMI Jerico
Someone read my character sheet.
I read everyone's, and yeah I HAD posted on there saying something along the lines of 'I don't think they have those in 23xx", but I figured that 1) that was a bit rude and 2) I read Sniper's profiles and he listed real world guns on both of them so i'de make a thread discussing it as to avoid in-inentional personal violation and to make it more general.
Srsly though, manufacturing would be so much easier for more advanced or just different designs then pre-2000 crap :/. Or even simpler designs.
Honestly this needs serious addressing because from reading character profile it already sounds like Paintcheck's 'ass pulled weapons and gear' thread. Shall I quote?"
I had the same issue when I first tried to make a desertia character. Wondering what all the 21st century guns were doing, but go with what they give you, so I chose my favorite 21st century gun.
By the way. My Diary Entry states that customs took my guns, just so it would be a fair start with no weapons.
Indesul is a little fort made out of debris and destroyed building..lol.
^ You sir are a worthless post whore!
Yes I am aware that by posting this, I myself become a post whore for pointing out Zstan as a post whore. However my avid readers, I must remind you that should any of you make a comment on my pointing out of zstans post whorery, and in so doing acknowledging my own that you yourself have become a dreaded postwhore.
Quote from: OBrian on 12-03-2010
^ You sir are a worthless post whore!
Yes I am aware that by posting this, I myself become a post whore for pointing out Zstan as a post whore. However my avid readers, I must remind you that should any of you make a comment on my pointing out of zstans post whorery, and in so doing acknowledging my own that you yourself have become a dreaded postwhore.
Excuse me, get the fuck out of here.
Back on topic, There's probably a shortage on tech SWEP's anyways.
Quote from: OBrian on 12-03-2010
^ You sir are a worthless post whore!
Yes I am aware that by posting this, I myself become a post whore for pointing out Zstan as a post whore. However my avid readers, I must remind you that should any of you make a comment on my pointing out of zstans post whorery, and in so doing acknowledging my own that you yourself have become a dreaded postwhore.
I don't really understand how that is post whoring, you saying that is basically post whoring. I was just saying that my trade post is a shit-hole.
If you think I'm post whoring..Look at Dark Angel.
I sort of thought the tech would be reminiscent of like what you see in say Borderlands. Familiar designs but obviously more...sci fi-y. Or like the guns in Firefly. Plus god particle lasers and personal energy shields are stupid and powergame-y. Suspend your disbelief and just go with it.
Quote from: Paintcheck on 12-03-2010
I sort of thought the tech would be reminiscent of like what you see in say Borderlands. Familiar designs but obviously more...sci fi-y.
This is mostly what I thought aswell. Obviously your not gonna have SUPER LAZAR BEEM RAFFLES out in the middle of ass fuck no where, but by now the 'low production' weapons wouldn't be 20th century.
I know the whole 'familierity' is nice, but it's 23xx, throw that shit out the window or atleast keep it near by, not in the same room.
Look at BattleField 2142, in fact I think that'de make a semi-decent basis in terms of semi-futrey but old tech for weapons.
I was just going to use guns similar to what is found in Borderlands because they are kewl and they have awesome revolvers.
The guns in Borderlands seem like they would be an almost perfect model type that could be found on Desertia. Deserted colony in the middle of no-where? Seems pretty similar to me and those guns are 21st centuryish but they're home-made from parts around the planet.
There are futuristic guns, but some dumbass loner isn't gonna be walking around with one. Only the XEM will usually be seen with futursitic guns, or other high-class factions.
Missing the whole point of the thread.
Low Production value shit that's semi-futuristic, would be more abundent then fucking 20th century shit.
Quote from: Lucidius on 13-03-2010
Low Production value shit that's semi-futuristic, would be more abundent then fucking 20th century shit.
Then if you're willing to model that, by all means do.
But in the mean time, we made due with what we had and could get.
And Borderlands-esque weapons really would be pretty perfect...2142 weapons as well. But since we can't find those in a usable amount, we had to pass them up.
It should be noted that certain vehicles factions employ, like tanks and planes, are highly futuristic. Mainly because they're cobbled together and loaded with Advanced Duplicator, but still...
As creator of the SWEPs (though not the one who put the models together), I included a few futuristic weapons, like the cloaking devices and the favorite, the Particle splitter. I tried adding a "pulse" sound to the weapons once, but it didn't sound good, and failed to catch on.
I suppose if someone dug up some futuristic weapon models, I could slap some things together. Simple pulse weapons (AR2-style), or maybe even a laser. SENT-based "energy pulse" weapons are doable, but impractical and would probably lag.
Should Parent those airplanes with the Parent tool this time around Star :P Remember those times with all those laggy air planes in dog fights oh lord. (So about tech will we be seeing that good old XEM suit or Nanosuit back? And you could just use an assortment of weapon mods sense there would be a diversity of advance weapons. District nine stuff and some battlefield 2142 weapons out there.)
XEMs will just be suits I believe that sit in offices doing paperwork.
Quote from: Cutch on 13-03-2010
XEMs will just be suits I believe that sit in offices doing paperwork.
I know but they had ODST looking armor that said XEM backwards.. A few pieces could be floating around.. Anyways many more models for armor are floating around these days. I just like having lot's of choices :\ hope I am not the only one with that stance..
Can we have mining robots?:D
Cobra, they also had "cocks" written on their knife sheaths.
Quote from: Cutch on 14-03-2010
Cobra, they also had "cocks" written on their knife sheaths.
I know that :P.
Or maybe Blackmarket dealrs *Cough*
I actually managed to find quite a bit more more futuristic content to add, but whether or not it'll be viable, workable, and worthwhile remains to be seen.
However, Mun, if you think that you can get maybe like a Laser-weapon base out, I can see what I can do regarding models. You should check out something like Sting's old laser weapons for an example. Since it's only light, I don't think it'd need bullet physics.
I liked all the 2142 stuff, but most of it is just props. Now, if we could turn the EU transport hovercraft into a vehicle...
And I might bring back the old ODST Suits, but the nanosuit probably will not due to size constraints (the thing was like 30mb for one model).
And I looked at the suit's vtf's, and it had "cocks" written on the sheath, and the writing on the back wasn't "XEM", but actually "1337" written vertically, and mirrored on the model.
Figured i'de necro this thread with some ACTUAL content, this is just random shit i feel like posting that might be useful.
clicked "sweps" on garrysmod.org, broswed over 1000 submissions. Some one feel like finishing the last 600 submissinos?
http://www.garrysmod.org/downloads/?a=view&id=13561 (http://www.garrysmod.org/downloads/?a=view&id=13561)
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I know it's cheasy but M1A1
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Flareguns would be easy to implement for RP and such, just need to get rid of the fire lighting.
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2142 swep pack
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The thing you need to understand is most (All) of those guns are really really OP, and be a good fit on the server "The edit them" some would say. But the truth is 1. its not worth our time to go through the hassle to track down the author and ask him to edit his beloved SWEP. 2. Even if we did we'd have a whole bunch of mismatched weapons on the server (Combine sniper rifle, predator assault rifle, 21st century weapons, and a flare gun side by side? No thanks, the Desertian back story works perfectly with the weapons we have (or are going to) put into use, and it doesn't ruin the atmosphere leaving people to wonder "Didn't i use this in HL2?"
Mebbe you should use the Aliens pulse rifle...
That would be epic.
Wasn't posting it for the sweps, was posting it for the V/P-models,, we have PLENTY of hexxers at the moment
As for "OP", wasn't posting them for the scripts, get some one to hex them and make them resonable.
Also, "Didn't I use this in CounterStrike Source?", seems a bit more RP Bonerkill them some HL2 beta weapon bullshit. Unless you plan on making your own arms/models and such then your going to need content from elsewhere, generally multiple sources, so no matter what you do it's always going to have that 'borrowed' feel. Generally I just use RP most of the time for weapon shit though. SWEPs are generally worthless to me other then have an auditory report for firing.
To add, the artillery/nuke stuff looks nice, just make it do no/little damage, so it's more of an affect then a weapon.
The majority of it is just anything that might 'fit', so unless you've already gone through all of garrysmod.org then I wouldn't really blockatiel people willing to search though tens of thousands of pictures to give you free shit :P.
Too summerise, I only posted the models for the models so who cares about the scripts.
P.S; This isn't a personal attack and I didn't take your post personal. FIGURE i'de mention it to avoid possible rebuttle of sillyness.
Quote from: Lucidius on 24-03-2010
Wasn't posting it for the sweps, was posting it for the V/P-models,, we have PLENTY of hexxers at the moment
As for "OP", wasn't posting them for the scripts, get some one to hex them and make them resonable.
Also, "Didn't I use this in CounterStrike Source?", seems a bit more RP Bonerkill them some HL2 beta weapon bullshit. Unless you plan on making your own arms/models and such then your going to need content from elsewhere, generally multiple sources, so no matter what you do it's always going to have that 'borrowed' feel. Generally I just use RP most of the time for weapon shit though. SWEPs are generally worthless to me other then have an auditory report for firing.
To add, the artillery/nuke stuff looks nice, just make it do no/little damage, so it's more of an affect then a weapon.
The majority of it is just anything that might 'fit', so unless you've already gone through all of garrysmod.org then I wouldn't really blockatiel people willing to search though tens of thousands of pictures to give you free shit :P.
Too summerise, I only posted the models for the models so who cares about the scripts.
P.S; This isn't a personal attack and I didn't take your post personal. FIGURE i'de mention it to avoid possible rebuttle of sillyness.
This.
FUCK I WANT THE BF2142 REVOLVER.
That is all.
Some of the stuff posted, I'll consider. I like quite a bit of it, but it all comes down to, "What works best".
I do wish that they came in the CSS hands though, so that everything'd be more uniform, but it's a minor thing.
We already have some artillery SWEPs as well, but I did use the cinematic explosion SWEP at one point. Overall, not really suited for mainstream usage. It looks great, but if you have more than two, you'll overload the sprites and create a wall of errors.
Quote from: Col. StaR on 24-03-2010
Some of the stuff posted, I'll consider. I like quite a bit of it, but it all comes down to, "What works best".
This is all I ask. since it's being received thusly, i'll do another dive trhough Gmod.org tonight and post my findings.
I'm making a new Artillery SWEP that will look a little like the "cinematic explosion" but not be as sprite-intensive. You can turn damage on or off, too.
I'll be making a basic knife SWEP before I produce a laser. I want to do lasers just right, since I love lasers.
Quote from: Munroe on 24-03-2010
I'm making a new Artillery SWEP that will look a little like the "cinematic explosion" but not be as sprite-intensive. You can turn damage on or off, too.
I'll be making a basic knife SWEP before I produce a laser. I want to do lasers just right, since I love lasers.
hehe, i remember the old one.
Boy did Johnny love that swep
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Finished looking through SWEP Tags, only other things I found, other then alot of mingy/MODERN WARFARE/Mingy sweps.
Mass Effect ones are only models.
Quote from: Jones815 on 25-03-2010
Mass Effect ones are only models.
I know.
It's so funny how everyone want's to integrated some mass effect into Desertia :V
Meh it fits the storyline sort of. Could be the guns used by the high end mercs and stuff.
Quote from: Cobra on 25-03-2010
It's so funny how everyone want's to integrated some mass effect into Desertia :V
It's so funny how people want to 'integrated some ~300 year old weapon technology against ~300 years worth of armor technology.
To be completely honest even if Desertia is in the middle of nowhere they still wouldn't be using this out-dated shit.
Q.Q
Seriously, they're just guns. If you think guns make or break an RP server, RP isn't for you. Use your imaginations. We don't have a modeling team that can crank out futuristic-looking view models. The guns shoot bullets because it makes the most logical sense that way (I've already gone over this), and keeps people from powerplaying. I'm already worried we're going to have people walking around with "uberguns" that auto-target and shoot lasers that never miss and cut anything.
And yes, Mass Effect is cool. We get it. But Desertia =/= Mass Effect.
/rant
Quote from: Munroe on 26-03-2010
Q.Q
Seriously, they're just guns. If you think guns make or break an RP server, RP isn't for you. Use your imaginations.
Having definitive technology helps with immersion and keeps everything together.
Your not going to have fucking Hummer's as light transports i the year 2350.
As for 'uber guns', having a pre-defined state of weapon technology would 1) keep that from happening even more so and 2) It's already been explaned that 'laser tech' is ultra-rare.
So read the entire thread before ya post. Trying to address points that have already explained just makes you look silly.
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Well then what's the problem? Desertia uses bullet-shooters, and pulse rifles and lasers are rare. We don't need to worry about making more advanced guns because the masses shouldn't have them already.
We can change view models if they're really that distracting, but not for everything. Good view models are hard to come by.
As for vehicles, those usually look and feel more advanced in the server. Tanks, for example, have a high-tech look, as do planes (this is because they're prop-built). With the hummers and cars, they may appear that way, but use more modern technology, like different propulsion methods and the like. You're taking everything too literally.
There are more important things to worry about than models. Just RP them as being more futuristic or something until we can find/make better ones. I'd rather see the server come up and start playing on it than wait more and more for something like models.
And honestly everyone complaining about the models should either find some that you think is better or model it yourself (and make it swep worthy and what not). Don't hate on what's already here.
Quote from: Munroe on 26-03-2010
You're taking everything too literally.
If no one takes it literally, then your gonna have asspull RP everywhere. That's why there are restraints in the first place.
Quote from: Paintcheck on 26-03-2010
1)There are more important things to worry about than models.
2)And honestly everyone complaining about the models should either find some that you think is better or model it yourself
1) I know, the initial point of the thread was to address what kind of tech was being used so people don't pull PKm's out and shit. Honestly, I don't even USE SWEPS.
2) Agreed. I went through al the Gmod submissions to find anything that might be useful for the server and might fit with our plot line here, that's it. It's for the higher ups that might have missed something or see something that would help, soemthing new. That's about it.