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Title: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Bagelz on 01-09-2009
Submit all complaints and suggestions here. Be honest when submitting as well. If it is private, please send me a PM. I will make sure that every post here is read thoroughly.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Zero on 04-09-2009
Hey, not entirely a complaint but are things going to go down in price because... not alot of us have money now a days... and it would help if some of us could actually afford a few things... alright thanks.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Bagelz on 04-09-2009
I don't control the prices. SilverKnight is solely the one who modifies, and controls them. I HAVE to keep prices for items above the base price, and SilverKnight and I figured it was time they changed. 13,000 for a G36 was way, way too cheap as it was; as well as many other items.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: DeltaFart95 on 04-09-2009
How about this, take the regular $ amount of a weapon, convert the cost, and maybe add 25%, cause a couple thousand for a friggin shotgun is absurd
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Bagelz on 04-09-2009
A couple thousand for a shotgun is not absurd...The price for the Mossberg, and the SPAS 12 has ALWAYS been 5,000 Rubles and 8,000 Rubles. The hunting shotgun costs ME 4,000, and I'm not pricing it at 3,000. No point in selling it at that point, I LOSE profit.

I'll talk to Silver about changing them. I admit; they are a BIT...up there. But every price you see has had 25% added to it.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Cobra on 05-09-2009
Faction Trader applications would be nice ;).
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: OxTox on 05-09-2009
Quote from: Cobra on 05-09-2009
Faction Trader applications would be nice ;).

You want me, don't you?
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Zero on 05-09-2009
Well, its kind of obvious why trader's don't get as many customers as they did earlier, mostly because of the money we don't have and missions we desperately try to get.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Bagelz on 05-09-2009
Shotgun prices have been lowered. I know it'll be awhile before people start getting money. But to be honest, not even half the prices were changed, swear to god here. Only suits price that was changed is the SKAT suit, and shotgun and higher up rifles were changed.

And think of it like this...In the real game, how do most players get the GOOD, GOOD guns. Do you buy them, or do you find them? ;) Many weapons can be found on the map from dead players that are left there. It's just a matter of finding them..
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Bagelz on 05-09-2009
Quote from: Cobra on 05-09-2009
Faction Trader applications would be nice ;).

This would be....very interesting. Very, very interesting. I'll take this up with SK and the head admin team. Thanks for the suggestion Cobra.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Bagelz on 06-09-2009
A lot of you don't seem to understand why the prices are so high....

Prices are high because guns were much, much too plentiful before the whipe.
Every price has been set so that at least 500-5000 rubles and above are made in profit. The prices are NOT jacked up just for the hell of it.
SK and I felt it was time they changed, because they were either too low, and too high.

There are many more reasons, but they cannot be lowered for the sake of players. If I had millions of rubles, I would. Trust me.

Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Bagelz on 09-09-2009
A FEW NOTES.

Trader flag tiers will not be added. SilverKnight has decided they are unnecessary, and good points were made about it. We will stick with one flag.

Trader observe commands will not be added. It has caused a lot of fuss as of now, and simply is too easy to be abused. We will continue to make missions on foot.

Faction traders are still being talked about. The problem with it is, that faction traders are difficult to play because a custom flag would be needed for every faction. While it isn't difficult to make these flags "I presume", it is up to
SilverKnight, and him alone to decide this

Prices have been set-in-stone, and have been adjusted accordingly through discussion of fellow traders to decide what is right. Shotgun prices were reduced, and some prices were changed.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Paintcheck on 09-09-2009
Traders do get a salary. They get 200 ru/hour. Obviously that isn't enough to pay for mission rewards. Although now it seems people have been picking up stuff to sell so most traders do have enough rubles to really start giving missions.

The other hard part is traders need to walk to an area to plant props for the mission and a lot of the time people will see the trader doing that and then steal the props, the trader gives the mission and the person hands the props over within like a minute before anyone else has a fair chance to find it. That's why I try to have my missions revolve around players (ie, bring me a bandit, capture me a bloodsucker, etc) because then no one has an advantage.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Bagelz on 10-09-2009
We receive paychecks every hour. For you with the trader flag, you will find something "new" when you receive your paycheck. I won't spoil it, but I hope you enjoy it.

Creating missions as a trader is also quite difficult due to the lack of Noclip or Observe. We will have to deal with it though, because it is only fair. Look at it this way; if we work together to make them, then they shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: KillSlim on 10-09-2009
Quote from: Bagelz on 05-09-2009
Quote from: Cobra on 05-09-2009
Faction Trader applications would be nice ;).

This would be....very interesting. Very, very interesting. I'll take this up with SK and the head admin team. Thanks for the suggestion Cobra.

Ganja, the old Freedom faction trader, was awesome. A real role-model for all traders out there.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Zero on 10-09-2009
Quote from: Bagelz on 10-09-2009
We receive paychecks every hour. For you with the trader flag, you will find something "new" when you receive your paycheck. I won't spoil it, but I hope you enjoy it.

Creating missions as a trader is also quite difficult due to the lack of Noclip or Observe. We will have to deal with it though, because it is only fair. Look at it this way; if we work together to make them, then they shouldn't be a problem.
I have tried working with other people for a while now, to get missions going, Most of the time the people I put for roles in the missions are either incapable of doing more then I want them to, or just want to leave in the middle of it, either way if I need a bloodsucker, the guy with the bloodsucker says "I don't wana" later on.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Bagelz on 10-09-2009
Exactly why I never ask anyone to help me make missions or make a base. I get ten times more done on my own. Sure, isn't as social. But when I'm making a base I'm not there to talk about "lulz" or "wat". I'm there to MAKE A BASE.

But teamwork is going to have to happen. The TU is BASED on teamwork, and always has been. If people want to ruin things by fucking around and leaving, fine. They're missing out.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: klp4 on 18-09-2009
I got an idea today when I sat on the bus on  my way home.

What if we would make an "event"/"fair" were we would have some good disscounts on weapons, armor etc..
We could build some cool buldings and houses with 2 or 3 levels and make it like a big market, a trading center.
We could also make a list where every trader that wants to be part of it can sign up and then we will decide who will sell what. So that everyone sell different stuff. Like a real market.

This could be really fun to rp and it would not really be an event where we are trying to make more money.
It would be an event for STALKERS and other players to have some fun and be able to buy good stuff for good prices.


This is just an idea on scratch but I'll work on it a lot more and I would like to know what you guys think about it?

Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Zero on 18-09-2009
 Kinda unrealistic and don't exactly support it, but I don't hate it but if its approved then it needs to be rare and unpredictable to make people guess.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Bagelz on 18-09-2009
Doesn't matter if it's unrealistic. We're here for the players, not realism.

I like the idea KLP, I'll talk with the other traders and see what we can get going.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: ISPYUDIE on 19-09-2009
Quote from: klp4 on 18-09-2009
I got an idea today when I sat on the bus on  my way home.

What if we would make an "event"/"fair" were we would have some good disscounts on weapons, armor etc..
We could build some cool buldings and houses with 2 or 3 levels and make it like a big market, a trading center.
We could also make a list where every trader that wants to be part of it can sign up and then we will decide who will sell what. So that everyone sell different stuff. Like a real market.

This could be really fun to rp and it would not really be an event where we are trying to make more money.
It would be an event for STALKERS and other players to have some fun and be able to buy good stuff for good prices.


This is just an idea on scratch but I'll work on it a lot more and I would like to know what you guys think about it?



Epic idea is epic

Edit to avoid double-posting- Roleplay items, are they allowed?

Basicly, can you RP that you've got something that doesn't exist in the game and sell it? I don't see why not seeing the food items in traders supplies don't really do anything. and it should be ok as long as we don't claim to have OTT items
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Lucidius on 19-09-2009
I've got somethin' that moight intrist yeh. Heh heh heh *opens jacket*

Doesn't sound too bad aslong as it isn't announced before hand several days and what not.

Not realistic but it's something to do.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: klp4 on 19-09-2009
I like your idea ISPYUDIE, since a lot of new comers doesn't have anything to sell and most of the times, when people do have something to sell, it's AK's etc.
I also know that a lot of people also complain when I tell them what they'll get for a AK74u for example. So, if we would make this idea an event someday, I think that RP items could be good for the RP and make a lot of people happy.

Ofcourse we can't buy everything that they come up with, and not too expensive aswell. But some stuff could work.

Good thinking mate!
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Zero on 19-09-2009
Thought about it, Sure its alright I could try it out. Maybe have a rifle trader, pistol trader, light suits trader, heavier suits trader, food and other suppys trader. People will tell what we sell because of the model items we have behind us.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: klp4 on 19-09-2009
Yeah that's the idea. Would be pretty fun. We'll work more on that.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Radek on 19-09-2009
You could *Cough* hire us.. To protect you *Cough*
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Zero on 19-09-2009
Actually it would make sense for us to hire one member of each faction to guard the place, counted they don't shoot each-other it makes them all feel important.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: klp4 on 19-09-2009
Yeah could be really good acually.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Zarrick on 21-09-2009
More models, I can understand there being the fat-OL trader model, but I was thinking more diverse, for different kinds of people.

Models:
G-man (Clean buisness man, sounds a bit like Bagelz's character)
Grigory (Alternate fat trader)
Eli (Peg leg guy, looks traderish)

I'm not saying clutter up our choices with HL2 models, I'm just saying, those three models WOULD work, Eli = Snurfs black french man, G-man = Khal (Or how I imagine him in my head), Grigory = An alternate Fat-trader.

Uknowhatiamsaying, rite?
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: ISPYUDIE on 04-10-2009
Suggestion-

Couriers

The job of a courier is a simple one, transport goods to traders to sell. They have to be able to protect themselves from bandits and must know their way around the zone pretty well. They will receive paychecks via traders. Most couriers work in teams and transport their goods via trucks. Some do small packages and go on foot. They are loyal and they most certainly get the job done.

The backup team

A group of mercenaries or stalkers, they transport goods when there are no other couriers around and they are sent in when a courier is in distress. They are well armed and loyal to the TU.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: klp4 on 04-10-2009
I like it. Could be fun for other players as well to get a job like that.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: KillSlim on 05-10-2009
The Carriers could just use that shipment for themselves.
That's the only major flaw.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: ISPYUDIE on 05-10-2009
Quote from: KillSlim on 05-10-2009
The Carriers could just use that shipment for themselves.
That's the only major flaw.

As I said, they'd have to be loyal. It's a job. I mean, couldn't traders run off with TU equipment.

Besides.... There are alot of mercs in the zone... Hehe
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Zero on 05-10-2009
Quote from: KillSlim on 05-10-2009
The Carriers could just use that shipment for themselves.
That's the only major flaw.
I don't trust alot of mercs, with shipments, if I trust any mercs at all, I only trust trusted friends most of the time.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Zero on 14-10-2009
Anyone with suggestions, please if you would kindly post them here, it would be great. Not in lowering prices but anyway we can improve your roleplay. That and if you think you deserve a promotion, talk to me or KLP4
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: KillSlim on 04-12-2009
Faction traders sell what the faction actually gets a hold of in the Stalker games.
Duty traders sell Warsaw Pact weapons and equipment. Ak's and variants, etc.

Freedom traders sell NATO weaponry. TRS-101's (LR-300's), IR-86's (SA-80's).

Monolith traders sell a mixture of both, but high level weaponry, as the Monolith are the best equipped.

Loner and Mercenary traders sell a mixture of both pact weapons, but rather low-level weaponry.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Rhyom Guther on 04-12-2009
Quote from: KillSlim on 04-12-2009
Faction traders sell what the faction actually gets a hold of in the Stalker games.
Duty traders sell Warsaw Pact weapons and equipment. Ak's and variants, etc.

Freedom traders sell NATO weaponry. TRS-101's (LR-300's), IR-86's (SA-80's).

Monolith traders sell a mixture of both, but high level weaponry, as the Monolith are the best equipped.

Loner and Mercenary traders sell a mixture of both pact weapons, but rather low-level weaponry.

Sell the mixture and get a few oddball guns, once and a while.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: KillSlim on 05-12-2009
Anyone can make up that excuse with no questions asked.
Duty trader: "Huurrr, I was sold this NATO wepon by a stakler todai"
Simple as this: If a Duty trader is selling non Warsaw Pact weaponry; give him a warning. Same goes with the other traders; punishment is due if they do not sell what they are limited to sell.

I suggested this because traders seem to have every weapon in the Zone readily available. If we introduce this, it would certainly add realism.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: KillSlim on 07-12-2009
So are these ideas going to be taken into account or is this thread here to make the faction look good.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Cutch on 17-01-2010
Aren't faction traders just people who channel guns to a specific faction? I mean, its not like warsaw weapons are the only ones that reach the trader. That would be unrealistic and would discourage people being faction traders as a whole.
Title: Re: Traders Union Complaint and Suggestion Board
Post by: Paintcheck on 17-01-2010
The way I run my faction trader is I trade with everyone but people in my faction [Bandits] get discounts on gear. Like HEAVY discounts