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Title: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Hotstarr on 27-01-2010
Guys, how many times have you been or saw someone get backstabbed by a mercenary that they hired? How much money pay to have someone go kill someone else, guard a spot, or help you in a fight, and end up watching him put a bullet in your face?

I'm fed up with these mercenaries who call themselves efficient and professionals, when they can't even stay true to their contract. Even a rookie stalker with a makarov would do better than some merc armed to the teeth. I mean, at least the rookie wouldn't "turn" into a bandit right after you paid him. I'm incredibly reluctant to trust anybody wearing a merc suit or flag, and I've become enticed to shoot them down so whomever hires them won't lose their money, life, and anything on their person. If you're going to have a merc backstab you, you'd be better off paying a bandit to beat you to death. At least there isn't any deception in that.

It's time to stop this, everybody. If you're sick of bandits who dare call themselves "mercenaries" and wear a gas mask and blue suit, while putting the honest and professional guys to shame, then get together and end this. There is nothing to lose, and much to gain.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: deluxulous on 27-01-2010
cool story bro, it's rp.

In the words of Reznov, "DEAL WITH IT"
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Locke on 27-01-2010
No, it's called being a minge. We should have a contract system where if the merc goes against his contract, or turns on his employer, they can be player killed.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Alex on 27-01-2010
Well, if they just happened to be PKed for "malpractice", they can't bitch.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Strelok Holmes on 27-01-2010
Professionals in STRP is like women who play WoW.. It's only 16% of the entire playerbase since the start to now.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Sickness on 27-01-2010
I agree with Locke. If we can manage to do that, then I would implant that into Chernobyl Shadows. But my men are good, they don't do that backstab stuff :/
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: lolKieck on 28-01-2010
For me mercbandits should be PKed if they die one way or another, even from faildamage. Making mercenaries look unprofessional will give them A LOT of merc enemies, so they'll be hunted down by them. Like in normal life.
KEEL DEM ALL is to the tl;dr people.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Zarrick on 28-01-2010
What if a Mercenary is paid to go on the "Enemies" side, and then backstab them as a Tactical advantage to the employer? Was paid to do that several times on Psycho.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Steel on 28-01-2010
Quote from: Zarrick on 28-01-2010
What if a Mercenary is paid to go on the "Enemies" side, and then backstab them as a Tactical advantage to the employer? Was paid to do that several times on Psycho.

Its all about the highest bidder ladies and gentlemen.
In all honesty, i dont agree with the shear ammount of Mercs on the server regardless.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: KillSlim on 28-01-2010
Quote from: The Jackal on 28-01-2010
Quote from: Zarrick on 28-01-2010
What if a Mercenary is paid to go on the "Enemies" side, and then backstab them as a Tactical advantage to the employer? Was paid to do that several times on Psycho.

Its all about the highest bidder ladies and gentlemen.
In all honesty, i dont agree with the shear ammount of Mercs on the server regardless.

There's barely any work. It's what almost killed Black Rain, hopefully this will halve the amount of Mercs currently on the server.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Locke on 28-01-2010
Either way, mercs are untrust-worthy.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Steel on 29-01-2010
Quote from: ㅎㅎLocke on 28-01-2010
Either way, mercs are untrust-worthy.

True Say, never trust mercs.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Dug on 29-01-2010
Quote from: The Jackal on 29-01-2010
Quote from: ㅎㅎLocke on 28-01-2010
Either way, mercs are untrust-worthy.

True Say, never trust mercs.

Depends who you hire. Outcasts back in the day were trust worthy.
If someone was suppose to die, he died. If they needed a body the got a body.

Real simple we never cheated on our contractor.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Strelok Holmes on 29-01-2010
Quote from: The Jackal on 29-01-2010
Quote from: ㅎㅎLocke on 28-01-2010
Either way, mercs are untrust-worthy.
True Say, never trust mercs.
Instead, trust your friendly neigborhood loner!
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Steel on 29-01-2010
Quote from: Dug on 29-01-2010
Quote from: The Jackal on 29-01-2010
Quote from: ㅎㅎLocke on 28-01-2010
Either way, mercs are untrust-worthy.

True Say, never trust mercs.

Depends who you hire. Outcasts back in the day were trust worthy.
If someone was suppose to die, he died. If they needed a body the got a body.

Real simple we never cheated on our contractor.

Your a merc... cheating is all part of it, highest bidder wins.

And yer, trust your friendly loner! :P
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Zarrick on 29-01-2010
Prime example, once Freedom were raiding Duty base, three exos, tons of Freedomers...I walked in and one of the Exos was like "Heres five kay, shoot the mans" I was like "K" and then I got a SF/IC PDA Message from a Milli that they'd give more, Freedom ended up losing because I gunned down there three exos, one soldier and then took a barrel of bullets to the face and then hid (With 4HP and no armour) for the rest of the fight.

And it was this guy that betrayed Freedom, however after killing them they "Suddenly" didnt like me, (NLR Fail)

And when I say this guy, I mean below V
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Steel on 29-01-2010
Aye, There just is no honour in being a merc, if your gonna be like that, go join the faction, ya know?
There has only ever been a handful of true mercs on the server.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Locke on 29-01-2010
I've only trusted the AU, ever.
When I lead freedom, I make it clear that only mercenaries I had dealt with before could be trusted. For example, Sickness had a merc that me and his character went waaaay back on, so I could trust him with my life. I also trusted Shep's merc and his officers in the Armored Union. Other than that, most mercenaries are fucktard minges who decided being a lolmerc would let them kill people on a RP server and will take any excuse to get money and pew pew someone. My advice to people that are affected by lolmercs? Don't hire them, and they will slowly run out of work, meaning that eventually they'll have to find another line of work. You can't be backstabbed by a merc you didn't hire, right?
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Duranblackraven on 29-01-2010
Quote from: Sickness on 27-01-2010
I agree with Locke. If we can manage to do that, then I would implant that into Chernobyl Shadows. But my men are good, they don't do that backstab stuff :/

Exactly, we're good at what we do and never do things like that. *whipes the blood off his knife*
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Assassinator on 29-01-2010
(https://forums.hypergamer.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg710.imageshack.us%2Fimg710%2F6323%2Fhgnmerc1h.th.jpg&hash=4cb46ac9989be6449d6770990dfd3ab6da5b15b0) (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/hgnmerc1h.jpg/)

There's ya' merc, sir.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Duranblackraven on 29-01-2010
XD If only we had a model like that.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Aviator on 29-01-2010
Mercenary groups are stupid. There's too many of them.
Just be a lone mercenary... or, even better, desecrate the current mercenary groups and create a central Mercenary faction like in all of the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games. You guys don't get it- "Mercenary" isn't a label- it's the name of their faction, which does mercenary work. They aren't loners who do work for money like lone "mercenaries", they are a unified faction who isn't broke off into tons separate groups or several lone "mercenaries"...
That's the uncanon of this. They're a faction that came into the Zone for mercenary work and stuff. They know nothing about the Zone. Just combat, violence, and professionalism.

Lone mercenaries are cool and all- call yourself a mercenary like Scar did in Clear Sky- but you're not a real Mercenary. You're just another S.T.A.L.K.E.R. that does work for pay. That doesn't make you a Mercenary. Even if you got a suit and shit- you're not. These unofficial factions for mercenaries are stupid, there needs to be a single huge Mercenary main faction for real mercenaries- and the unofficial ones can keep calling themselves mercenaries if they want to. Won't make them one.
Donators can keep their mercenary flags and shit, but they won't be real mercenaries unless they join up.
Disregard my comment and ideas, keep being uncanon and inaccurate to the day you die. I don't give a shit.
P.S. to the tl;dr-ers, In the Zone, "Mercenary" isn't a label, it's the name of the faction. All S.T.A.L.K.E.R.s are technically "Mercenaries" in their own sense. Work for pay, raids, collections, all the same.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Locke on 29-01-2010
Aviator has a very good point.

Though, there are a few good merc factions, like Sickness' one.
This "unified faction" idea appeals to me. This way, if there is any issues with the mercenaries breaking rules, then they can be reported/dealt with, and rules can be better enforced.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Joemoma on 02-02-2010
Hey i'm currently Dling the stuff and it appears these lolmercs and stuff are a huge issue, i'll try to avoid doing anything stupid like that, i just hope i don't get left in the dust without cash or guns :( but i have trust that i would find way to Passive Roleplay my way into some cash, although from what i've heard these guys are as bad as a tick with some weird disease that leeches on you until you kill it.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Aresty on 06-02-2010
I'm an LOLmerc, And I kill for the money, Of course if somebody offers me even more money to kill the guy who hired him, I'd kill him.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: topgeneral on 06-02-2010
you guys should know mercs only work for profit so dont be suprised if they get a better offer mid way through the deal so they decide "hey if i just say cya! im going to get shot so lets shoot him first" ive ment some good mercs out there even though im a capital noob
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Zarrick on 06-02-2010
Thats sorta wrong, but okay.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Hotstarr on 07-02-2010
Quote from: Aresty on 06-02-2010
I'm an LOLmerc, And I kill for the money, Of course if somebody offers me even more money to kill the guy who hired him, I'd kill him.

Why? Why did you just admit to being a lolmerc? That title comes only with shame and stupidity. You just told everyone reading this thread how horrible a mercenary you are.

Quote from: topgeneral on 06-02-2010
you guys should know mercs only work for profit so dont be suprised if they get a better offer mid way through the deal so they decide "hey if i just say cya! im going to get shot so lets shoot him first" ive ment some good mercs out there even though im a capital noob

You are a noob. How many mercenaries have you heard of or seen IRL that do that sort of shit? First off, mercenaries are professional soldiers hired by someone or some group. They aren't some immature faggots who turns on someone just because another person has a shinier coin. Mercs are supposed to get their job done, not be bandits with a gas mask on their freaking face.


Lolmercs are just unrealistic and stupid idiots who can't apply some common sense into their roleplay. Only a few people should be allowed to go around as mercenaries, despite not having the flag.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: OjManchow on 07-02-2010
Well Hell, Im away for a couple of months and I come back to learn people have been staining the Independant Contracter name

Meany's the lot of them
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Zarrick on 07-02-2010
I do agree with Mercs being somthing you gotta apply for, I am honestly sick of half the server asking me for Jobs...I only really hire the well equipped ones or the Grouped ones, but I -am- sick of everyone just buying a Merc suit and being all "LUL I AM TEH MERCS", TBH The Mercenary Suit(s) should be removed from the danm Traders menu to avoid this, if you want to get a better suit as a Mercenary, join a Mercenary faction who will obviously be able to supply you with such equipment, I am actually getting sick of -everyone- with a Trader flag being able to sell the armour of a supposedly secretive and professional group of people, AKA The Mercenaries, can an SV/Somone that can do somthing about this threads qaulms reply with an awnser please?
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Genesis on 11-02-2010
It's totally fair for them to backstab you, because they probably wanted more cash. I was once part of a Merc clan, but I left because they weren't being Mercs. They were murdering people and stealing their shit. Those are the kinda people we should be worried about.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: OjManchow on 12-02-2010
If a merc back stabs their contracter, then the " Merc " isnt actually a merc

Hes a bloody idiot

Killing your boss makes even less work about
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: ISPYUDIE on 12-02-2010
Sure you can trust a merc, as long as you've got cash.

My mercenary has a list of Personal rules that he never breaks.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Hotstarr on 13-02-2010
Quote from: Genesis on 11-02-2010
It's totally fair for them to backstab you, because they probably wanted more cash. I was once part of a Merc clan, but I left because they weren't being Mercs. They were murdering people and stealing their shit. Those are the kinda people we should be worried about.

I'd be fine if they backstabbed people because someone else paid them at least twice as much money. However, mercenaries shouldn't be able to switch contracts on the fly like they do on the server. No contract should last less than five minutes. Imagine mercenaries in real life doing that. The only reason mercs have existed so long is because they're PROFESSIONAL.

Honestly, mercenaries are pretty much people paid to give half a fuck about their job, and are pretty much bandits wearing gas masks and blue/camo suits and bulletproof vests. It may be fair, but it shouldn't be tolerated at all.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Louis_Cypher on 20-02-2010
The problem here is fucking 13 year olds with no knowledge of how real mercs act. Take a look at the 5th Commando, Executive Outcomes, hell, even Blackwater. They all follow their contracts to the letter. The last time mercs acted like that was in the Renaissance.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Y4L on 20-02-2010
If they're going to backstab you they should:
1. Make sure they get a hefty amount to do it, not just a 10 rouble increase in their pay.
2. They cover it up a little, say something along the lines of "Ambushed by bandits" because who is going to hire you if they cant trust you not to kill them?

In the end, the mercs may suffer more as they get a bad reputation, bad reputations mean less work.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: OjManchow on 22-02-2010
Quote from: Louis_Cypher on 20-02-2010
The problem here is fucking 13 year olds with no knowledge of how real mercs act. Take a look at the 5th Commando, Executive Outcomes, hell, even Blackwater. They all follow their contracts to the letter. The last time mercs acted like that was in the Renaissance.

^
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: SundayRoast on 26-02-2010
Where can you get the Mercenary flag?
I'm looking forward to this job since I am a trustworthy person.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Strelok Holmes on 26-02-2010
Sunday, its called DONATE via paypal.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Dark Angel on 26-02-2010
Quote from: SundayRoast on 26-02-2010
Where can you get the Mercenary flag?
I'm looking forward to this job since I am a trustworthy person.

2 Posts..... yeah sure! We can trust you.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Zero on 26-02-2010
Quote from: Dark Angel on 26-02-2010
Quote from: SundayRoast on 26-02-2010
Where can you get the Mercenary flag?
I'm looking forward to this job since I am a trustworthy person.
1706 posts, obviously you should be zee SUPER ADMIN of everything, suuuure lets ignore the spamming =\

2 Posts..... yeah sure! We can trust you.
Title: Re: These problematic mercenaries, AKA Mercebandits.
Post by: Zstan on 26-02-2010
Quote from: ㅎㅎLocke on 27-01-2010
No, it's called being a minge. We should have a contract system where if the merc goes against his contract, or turns on his employer, they can be player killed.
Hahaha, oh hell ya.