Should we Close STALKER RP?
No, don't panic, i just mean, to the public, keep the server locked, and have admins move players into a STALKER RP group, to see the STALKER Boards.
Im getting tired of all these mingy players, trolls, idiots, and bored little kids, who want to do nothing more than stab you in the back.
Pro's:
Better Playerbase
Tighter Security on Stalker
Less Edrama and bullshit
A more Private project
Con's:
Less Overall members
Admins monitor players on the forum
Probably more work for me
I wana say yes, for good RP, but I wana say no cause then its the same people always.
Well, im thinking temporarily, to sort your priorities out, such as our playerbase and admin team.
It's good to have more new players in a community.
But on the other hand,
Some could be bad RP'ers.
Id suggest A small test to see if they are decent and/or tutors to teach them how to roleplay properly in the STALKER world ( If neccassary).
Id say close the server, but initate a test/tutor system for new players.
Quote from: Headcrabs on 13-09-2009
It's good to have more new players in a community.
But on the other hand,
Some could be bad RP'ers.
Id suggest A small test to see if they are decent and/or tutors to teach them how to roleplay properly in the STALKER world ( If neccassary).
Id say close the server, but initate a test/tutor system for new players.
Yeah well, in the past, "tutoring" or "helping" generally leads to some kid who cannot rp, rage, go on facepunch, and say we are a bad community. The Gmod community has too many of these kids these days.
Id say yes... But we would probably suffer due to the lack of players.
Quote from: Mr. Tea on 13-09-2009
Id say yes... But we would probably suffer due to the lack of players.
Better to have good players than shit players.
I'd say yes. They have to register on the forums and read through the rules to find the password. This can lead to higher faction activity and the sort. Might wanna put forums link in the server name though.
Of course, this could also be totally pointless. I mean, most of the RP'ers are already registered and good RP'ers, but it just means that they have to find a password.
same as Tunddruf
Let it stay as it is.
I say yeah, how about a locked server and an open server, I made a really big thread about that a few months ago.
No, would cause hell. Being with the same players so much would kill me. As it is with the content packs not many new good players join, this would make it worse.
Keep it open. I don't see any E-drama from new people, and a community needs new people as the old people leave. (Like the life cycle.)
Just add to the current 'HELP' bar in the F1 menu, add a pre-written roleplaying guide which covers everything in stalker; if the new people really want to be a part of this community, and want to become good roleplayers, then they'd read it.
Maybe add a quiz when you join? (Like TnB's? Short but effective.) It would certainly cancel out the Dark Rp noobs.
I would say keep it open BUT apply a little "minge" test when the person logs on the server like killslim suggested, if they fail then a 1 hour ban (they'll have to take the test again when the hour is up).
You could change the help bar to The Stalker Roleplay Handbook and highlight it so they can see it well. And put some roleplaying advice and some guides from the forums.
I say hell nah, I rather have a good flow of new players, and keep the server active. Just step up the admin team.
Make a guide, send it to everyone who Does register on the forums in email form, then let them know to check it.
Could you do a like a Signing a Waiver Upon Joining , so they accept the rules and conditions?
Well...It's quite nice to meet new people and experience different types of rp so I say, no, don't lock it. But ofcourse, there mite be another way to deal with all the trolls and the ones that ruin the rp, instead of bringing some new sides to it.
I don't see E-Drama so i want it to stay open so there is always many people to RP with.
Quote from: ISPYUDIE on 14-09-2009
You could change the help bar to The Stalker Roleplay Handbook and highlight it so they can see it well. And put some roleplaying advice and some guides from the forums.
I like this idea.
A small quick guide on OOC, LOOC, what not to say IC, a little background about STALKER to give players new to RP a chance to actually have some footing rather than having some people rage them for RPing improperly and chasing them off.
God NO. The same people would utterly ruin the community.
But I agree to what ISPY said above.
Also, There should be loads of guides there, and updated like wikipedia.
Im offering to write some tutorials and pictures to benfit the RP experience, Anyone think I shouldn't?
Speak now or forever hold your peace.
When someone new joins the server, they don't always know enough and helping them Roleplay Properly can be hard work, Having a link or a guide In-game could help alot I think.
I say YES. not only would we have better people, other people would be more interested in what we have and would come and attempt to join.
There would be better roleplay, and there would be no drama, the admins could take it easy, we wouldn't have to worry about faggots attempting to troll because we'd have something private, there's so many more reason at why this should be this way. I don't play there, but I've played private communitys before, they always work out for the best.
And, it would also put less work on Silverknights shoulders.
i say no, we already have problems at some hours that we dont have enough people, hindering it more would be bad. anyways, doesnt it prove them good enough just that they have to join the forums to find the map and files? i say no support
I'd say no. It will kill new players coming in which will make the server less populated which will make the members already here not want to play. I've been on TSRP servers where they have tried this idea and it almost always results in the death of the server. We need the players coming in. Our admin staff is more than capable of dealing with minges. If you close the server the server will die. As the school year gets harder and harder, players will leave and stop playing. Without new players coming in to check us out then we'll have a big loss of players and no gain.
Quote from: Paintcheck on 17-09-2009
I'd say no. It will kill new players coming in which will make the server less populated which will make the members already here not want to play. I've been on TSRP servers where they have tried this idea and it almost always results in the death of the server. We need the players coming in. Our admin staff is more than capable of dealing with minges. If you close the server the server will die. As the school year gets harder and harder, players will leave and stop playing. Without new players coming in to check us out then we'll have a big loss of players and no gain.
Agreed
Quote from: Paintcheck on 17-09-2009
I'd say no. It will kill new players coming in which will make the server less populated which will make the members already here not want to play. I've been on TSRP servers where they have tried this idea and it almost always results in the death of the server. We need the players coming in. Our admin staff is more than capable of dealing with minges. If you close the server the server will die. As the school year gets harder and harder, players will leave and stop playing. Without new players coming in to check us out then we'll have a big loss of players and no gain.
Agreed with you, ISPY, coletrain and raydark
Again, 1 server passworded, 1 server open.
Quote from: Locke on 18-09-2009
Again, 1 server passworded, 1 server open.
This.
Locking the server is what killed another one of my old RPing community, we got sick of the same people there and with no new blood, we finally just left mutually.
Quote from: Cobra on 18-09-2009
Quote from: Locke on 18-09-2009
Again, 1 server passworded, 1 server open.
This.
This or just making it public and having enough admins.
I mean, think of it this way, you already have (for some one who hasn't signed up to this site and got the content packages) a 45 minute download, in which they can't join the server until they own the map and all the servers running the map don't have it set up to auto download.
Your basicly locking it down as is. The only blood that's new is that who reg's to the forum and seaks to join. You won't get any random fags double clicking, waiting 5 minutes and then DMing the server.
I was saying a while ago we should shut down the StalkerRP server and open it back up when we have a decent script.
Think about it, when we reopen the server, the hype will attract plenty more players, thanks to the new script they'll want to stay, and more people will donate.
Right now we just have a great map (with crappy terrain, I'm sure we can all agree to that) and an angry playerbase.
People are leaving gradually because they lose their items or their characters don't save.
The script is a disaster right now.
If we just shut it down for a bit and let people forget about the bad times they had, or stop new players who join, have a crappy time and never come back, we can get a lot out of it.
Quote from: Raidenator on 19-09-2009
I was saying a while ago we should shut down the StalkerRP server and open it back up when we have a decent script.
Think about it, when we reopen the server, the hype will attract plenty more players, thanks to the new script they'll want to stay, and more people will donate.
Right now we just have a great map (with crappy terrain, I'm sure we can all agree to that) and an angry playerbase.
People are leaving gradually because they lose their items or their characters don't save.
The script is a disaster right now.
If we just shut it down for a bit and let people forget about the bad times they had, or stop new players who join, have a crappy time and never come back, we can get a lot out of it.
Valid point is very valid.
The map DOES state it is beta though so.
You say beta, I say version 1.
It's hardly a beta, it's already been released like 4 times.
This is a good idea, insatead of having 34809219235619824 people in the zone we will have a small reccuring number of well-known characters. Occasionaly we will get the new guys.
Don't "close" it, it's better to keep it opened, people can come easily.
Quote from: Raidenator on 19-09-2009
I was saying a while ago we should shut down the StalkerRP server and open it back up when we have a decent script.
Think about it, when we reopen the server, the hype will attract plenty more players, thanks to the new script they'll want to stay, and more people will donate.
Right now we just have a great map (with crappy terrain, I'm sure we can all agree to that) and an angry playerbase.
People are leaving gradually because they lose their items or their characters don't save.
The script is a disaster right now.
If we just shut it down for a bit and let people forget about the bad times they had, or stop new players who join, have a crappy time and never come back, we can get a lot out of it.
You're assuming everyone comes back. If the script was only like a week away from being fixed that would work but since Silver doesn't have the time he used to to work on it it could be months before we see it up and running. If it takes months I think the odds of our players sticking around are very low.
I don't support locking the server , More admins would be an option.
Remove inactive admins , add newer .
Add admins from different timezones so there's always one or more online , not only at night.
Quote from: Moordact on 19-09-2009
I don't support locking the server , More admins would be an option.
Remove inactive admins , add newer .
Add admins from different timezones so there's always one or more online , not only at night.
QFT but people are still rage quitting the server entirely @ losing their exosuits, weapons, etc.
what about making it private and friend invites? the HGN server has the potential to draw alot of Kuros members mainly because kuro is a dick and dosent allow the freedom you guys do. thats why i switched to over here, I think maybe if one member can invite one person that would be good?
Quote from: asoldier290 on 19-09-2009
what about making it private and friend invites? the HGN server has the potential to draw alot of Kuros members mainly because kuro is a dick and dosent allow the freedom you guys do. thats why i switched to over here, I think maybe if one member can invite one person that would be good?
Wouldn't it then turn into a making an appointment to roleplay? I mean I personally love roleplaying with people I don't know, see how they are and stuff, makes it fun.
An easy solution would be to expand the admin team to invite more active trustable moderators and have them crack down on the rules. If you spot a troll, drop a nice permaban on them, If you get a minge givem a three hour ban and direct them to the forums. That'll be the most level solution.
Quote from: Lucidius on 19-09-2009
Quote from: Moordact on 19-09-2009
I don't support locking the server , More admins would be an option.
Remove inactive admins , add newer .
Add admins from different timezones so there's always one or more online , not only at night.
QFT but people are still rage quitting the server entirely @ losing their exosuits, weapons, etc.
You are only allowed to use a exo when you are on the exo roster , and when you lose your exo you get a new one.
All the new people who join lost items, and I can't in good conscience replace them because I dont know if they really had them or not.
Quote from: Dom on 19-09-2009
This is a good idea, insatead of having 34809219235619824 people in the zone we will have a small reccuring number of well-known characters. Occasionaly we will get the new guys.
Yes because, The other side of the fence only has, what, 3 people?
No. For fucks sake hell no. And if you have to, Keep one server open!
Like I have been crying out for a while, two servers, one for serious roleplay, the other for everyday roleplay.
Do what Locke's been saying! Keep one Server for Serious Roleplay Locked , another server for Minor RP , its still the same script but for newbies , easier things to do for newbies , and better things for experienced RP'ers , eventually the people on the Newbie server are gonna want more , so they straighten out and transfer to the More Serious RP. What you could do is leave out any Donator flags from the Newbie server , maybe take away some guns and possibly have no factions. Sooner or later there gonna say " I want more" , Then they come onto the forums sign up , maybe get an admin approval or two , and then start fresh again on the More serious server , but now they start out more comfortable and know what to do.
Still based kind of on Locke's idea but more restrictions for newbies , making them wanna go to the locked server witch has more stuff to do.
And maybe make the Newbie server not have so many custom models so they don't leave because they don't feel like downloading a huge content pack. And a smaller map for the newbie server , one where they don't have to Download from online but it'll upload when they join the server. Maybe go back to Stalker Redux?
+support Gembock amazing idea
The money to hold two servers would be Alot though, and you need to think of the management!
I still would like to keep it the way it is, with two servers, the overall population would be split, and there probably wouldn't be enough people, like 6 players on one server and 6 on the other server is going to suck, when its much better to have 12 overall in one server. With school and all, we just don't have the player activity to pull of two servers, and we're not even talking about cash yet.
I believe we should only have one server like we do now, and just step up the admin team.
Quote from: Zero on 24-09-2009
The money to hold two servers would be Alot though, and you need to think of the management!
(Offtopic)
Fact: we use a dedicated server, we can host as many server as we feel like without any additional cost.
Only downside is the bandwidth being split up to all the servers we host.
Absolutely not! If people just join by hearing stuff, then we're probably not going to get more players. Passworded servers do keep out minges, but, then again, don't admins?
Try hiring more admins or implementing something that will kick DMers.
Even if we hire more admins, DMers will always be present.
I do agree we need more BAs
Quote from: Wazer Wifle on 24-09-2009
I still would like to keep it the way it is, with two servers, the overall population would be split, and there probably wouldn't be enough people, like 6 players on one server and 6 on the other server is going to suck, when its much better to have 12 overall in one server. With school and all, we just don't have the player activity to pull of two servers, and we're not even talking about cash yet.
I believe we should only have one server like we do now, and just step up the admin team.
QFT. Maybe in summer we can split the servers but right now split servers will result in the death of HGN as a whole.
School, Winter and Early spring is when the server dies down a bit.
Well, The main focus of it is that if there ARE DMers, trolls, and other nusiances to the server and its populance, you must seperate the fact that new players are not a nuisance.
My opinion is to keep it open, -BUT- put it as a strict suite for the admins, If they're new or seem to be, Try and teach them, after five minutes and they're still fucking around, deem them as a troll, ban them for 10 minutes (Will most likely deter anyone without a attention span) and move on, If it is a new player, they will listen and cooperate.
Reason why you shouldn't ban Nusiances are that they could come to be, one hell of a good Roleplayer, and Permenant bans should only be going to people who Actually HARM the server.
Quote from: Keyblockor on 28-09-2009
Permenant bans should only be going to people who Actually HARM the server.
QFT, problem runnin rampant all over the internet. Alot of admins permaban out of line :P.
Anywho, I say what my post already said.
Quote from: Lucidius on 28-09-2009
Quote from: Keyblockor on 28-09-2009
Permenant bans should only be going to people who Actually HARM the server.
QFT, problem runnin rampant all over the internet. Alot of admins permaban out of line :P.
Anywho, I say what my post already said.
I've done about one perma in the last month, stop making stuff up.
This topic is dying out, if you have any opinions state them before it's locked.
Splitting it into two servers will kill it, frankly, I have no problem with the way stalker RP is set up right now, and I am happy with it. (Except for the inventory system) I don't think we need to make any changes.
I've already said my two cents on why I think it should shut down temporarily.
I check the Development forum every time there's an update, from the looks of it Hostel and Silverknight are the only ones publicly developing anything.
If you're privately developing something, care to share it?
The current script is a mess, people constantly lose items and it's got more backdoors than a brothel.
Maybe I'm the only one noticing it, but HGN is almost globally hated, we should give it a break and try and fix the reputation.
Quote from: Raidenator on 01-10-2009
I've already said my two cents on why I think it should shut down temporarily.
I check the Development forum every time there's an update, from the looks of it Hostel and Silverknight are the only ones publicly developing anything.
If you're privately developing something, care to share it?
The current script is a mess, people constantly lose items and it's got more backdoors than a brothel.
Maybe I'm the only one noticing it, but HGN is almost globally hated, we should give it a break and try and fix the reputation.
Hm, when you put it this way, I agree with HGN being closed
temporarily. It would certainly give the development team and SRP Staff a break from the new people demanding refunds or demanding their suggestion being made...
Closing down the server isn't going to fix anything.
Quote from: Raidenator on 01-10-2009
I've already said my two cents on why I think it should shut down temporarily.
I check the Development forum every time there's an update, from the looks of it Hostel and Silverknight are the only ones publicly developing anything.
If you're privately developing something, care to share it?
The current script is a mess, people constantly lose items and it's got more backdoors than a brothel.
Maybe I'm the only one noticing it, but HGN is almost globally hated, we should give it a break and try and fix the reputation.
Only by Trolls and minges, but i don't see the point in seeking their respect.
Kuromeku roleplaynation, Necropolis etc Troll Communities.
Did I say You? Or even imply you? :P
I said it's a problam rampant around the internets, meaning CSS servers, SL, etc. I don't deal with admins enough here to make THAT kind of assumption.
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. RP is one of the few reasons why I go to Garrys Mod. Please don't close it down.
Quote from: Linkmister on 03-10-2009
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. RP is one of the few reasons why I go to Garrys Mod. Please don't close it down.
Not close it down, close it to the public. Read OP plox.
My bad I read it wrong. Actually that would be nice closing it to the public.
Quote from: Silver Knight on 02-10-2009
Quote from: Raidenator on 01-10-2009
I've already said my two cents on why I think it should shut down temporarily.
I check the Development forum every time there's an update, from the looks of it Hostel and Silverknight are the only ones publicly developing anything.
If you're privately developing something, care to share it?
The current script is a mess, people constantly lose items and it's got more backdoors than a brothel.
Maybe I'm the only one noticing it, but HGN is almost globally hated, we should give it a break and try and fix the reputation.
Only by Trolls and minges, but i don't see the point in seeking their respect.
Kuromeku roleplaynation, Necropolis etc Troll Communities.
What's that about Necro', bro?
Quote from: Crimzon_Reaper on 06-10-2009
Quote from: Silver Knight on 02-10-2009
Quote from: Raidenator on 01-10-2009
I've already said my two cents on why I think it should shut down temporarily.
I check the Development forum every time there's an update, from the looks of it Hostel and Silverknight are the only ones publicly developing anything.
If you're privately developing something, care to share it?
The current script is a mess, people constantly lose items and it's got more backdoors than a brothel.
Maybe I'm the only one noticing it, but HGN is almost globally hated, we should give it a break and try and fix the reputation.
Only by Trolls and minges, but i don't see the point in seeking their respect.
Kuromeku roleplaynation, Necropolis etc Troll Communities.
What's that about Necro', bro?
4 days isn't a necro.
Post something helpful and stop trying to get a higher post count.
Quote from: Raidenator on 01-10-2009
I've already said my two cents on why I think it should shut down temporarily.
I check the Development forum every time there's an update, from the looks of it Hostel and Silverknight are the only ones publicly developing anything.
If you're privately developing something, care to share it?
The current script is a mess, people constantly lose items and it's got more backdoors than a brothel.
Maybe I'm the only one noticing it, but HGN is almost globally hated, we should give it a break and try and fix the reputation.
I only agree with the "shut down to fix script" part. The current script is pretty buggy. EeeeeeEEEEveryday it's the same "god" "damn" crap...
"LOL REFUNDS PLEASE"
The admins must go through at LEAST a quarter of a million rubles a day total of goods replaced.
Agreed Bagelz.
I had an idea the other night though. Why not have a private, invite only HGN group for people who are in HGN, and then a public HGN group you need to join to get in the server?
I think that'de be a bit better then just throwing a password on that.
This is only if anyone decides to lock it AFTER the script is fixt.
I've lost alot less then most everyone here but it's still annoying.
2 74u's
2 74's
1 sig p228
1 berreta
1 fort 12
not a whole lot but I don't have any guns on me atm. /bloodsucker bait.
Don't lock the server when you fix the script, that would be a terrible idea.
Shut down the server until the script is fixed, open it again with Hostel's map and the new script.
That would bring a huge boost in numbers.
Server doesn't need a lockdown, no one comes by and minges out too much.
Quote from: Raidenator on 15-10-2009
Don't lock the server when you fix the script, that would be a terrible idea.
Shut down the server until the script is fixed, open it again with Hostel's map and the new script.
That would bring a huge boost in numbers.
Or just switch to Taco until shits in working order again.
Silver thinks TacoScript is shit, so fat chance of that happening :\
Shit vs. non-functioning.
NO end of story lock this thread!
Yes, because you can decide when to close a discussion thread.
Well there are certain pro's and cons to either of the two actual options.
Closing:
Pros:
-Drastically prevents "minges" from joining servers
-Keeps roleplay group to a buddy-ish system where everyone sort of knows eachother
-Allows a server to establish a set playerbase
Cons:
-Eventually leads to a stagnat playerbase.
-Cuts popularity of a server even more drastically than the reduced minges
-Is not an entirely reliable system of encouraging good roleplayers to join
-Prone to empty servers for lack of eventual interest
Keeping Open:
Pros:
-Enables peole to access the server easier
-Encourages server publicity
-Allows for a new playerbase (new blood) to circulate through the server
Cons:
-Very prone for the occasional minges
-People who join may not always be the "right crowd" we seek
-Difficult to regulate sometimes, as there is no real registration system in place
-Allows the server to be "open" to attack when administrators are not online
Now we just have to decide on the given facts.
Personally, I'm up for an open server, just that administrators need to be on for the majority of the time to prevent stupid incidents from occuring.
I don't feel this is quite necessary...I mean, minges just pop into a server and cause a lot of shit...but take all the things that prevents minges from even bothering to join:
They have to create a forum account to downlaod the files needed, map, models etc.
They don't have a physgun when they join, and the throw on the G-gun isn't functional.
Weapons are hard to get fast unless you have connections or a great deal of luck.
You need to spend much time on the server to even get the possibility of phys-minging.
I rest my case...
exactly what i stated at the begining, weapons are hard to get for a reason.
cept for me >.> (and thats for a reason also)
I have seen some niffty ways of doing it.
Here is an example.
Upon joining the server, you must put in your username and password FOR THE FORUMS.
Ohhh Melonbrew... Going on.
This would TELL THEM where the content pack is, and if they register it would tell them the basics.
Would also weed out the failkids as they are already ban from the forums and therefor ban from the server.
But what about people who see 'STALKER roleplay', are intrigued, but don't want to sign up for forums or anything without first seeing how the server runs? I know I didn't sign up for HGN the first day I came on.
Just leave it open.
Quote from: Paintcheck on 23-10-2009
Just leave it open.
Its absolutely fine how it is. The server is NOT broken, so don't fix it. Just leave it be.
With exception of the inventory and no gun sounds.
Quote from: Wazer Wifle on 23-10-2009
Quote from: Paintcheck on 23-10-2009
Just leave it open.
Its absolutely fine how it is. The server is NOT broken, so don't fix it. Just leave it be.
With exception of the inventory and no gun sounds.
...and weapons with no recoil.
Although in some instances it would be beneficial to close it, I truly do not think this is one of them.