Ok you know your economic system fails when someone can describe it to a non HGNer and that person goes "What the flying fuck?" My personal favorite is my friend's reaction when I described this to him.
Quote from: Him over SF
How the fuck....
I mean, it's like you're trying to suck
screw trying actually
more like, desperately striving for failure
"Desperately striving for failure" sums up SRP very,
VERY well. New players are actively punished for not being in a faction (hell even old players are). If you aren't in a faction, you aren't having fun. Period. Which means no new players will join and this server will finally die like people have been predicting for months.
What we have in this server right now is a combination of the
WORST economic systems
EVER conceived. Right now the server is an oligarchical communistic feudal society. (Copy pasted from an SF convo)
The factions are communists
Paintcheck: They pool their paychecks together for the common good
Paintcheck: And they get gear from the "central economy" (the quartermasters that can sell everything regardless of tier based on what they told Silver they should be allowed to sell)
Paintcheck: The loners are serfs
Paintcheck: They cannot make money at all
Paintcheck: They toil away for the factions to harrass
Paintcheck: And don't receive anything of their own at all
Paintcheck: The communists don't share their wealth because communists keep the wealth in the commune for their own use.
Paintcheck: So we have an oligarchical communist feudal society
Paintcheck: With all the wealth is at the faction level (which should be the minority but it isn't because no one is going to play as a loner).
Paintcheck: and none at the new player level
Paintcheck: and the new player level physically CAN'T earn anything because they are dependent on the factions for jobs. But the fations won't hire them because the loners offer nothing the faction can't do on its own
Paintcheck: Since the loners don't have guns or gear
Paintcheck: Thereby perpetuating the cycle
Paintcheck: ...I don't even KNOW how it is "supposed" to work actually because the "free market traders" don't have any money and yet are expected to buy their own inventory to sell. And they can't sell to anyone because the factions have their own traders (thereby keeping the faction money in the faction) and loners can't afford anything. And admins can't hand out money or anything for events because Silver removed those commands from every admin level except SV.
I don't know how you manage to do it Silver but I must say I am impressed. It is amazing to me that you possess the amount of incompetence required to fuck up an economy
THIS badly.
I remember back when I first became a TA things were so much better. Because
ALL admins even TAs, had the ability to spawn items and money so events were common. The addition of random artifact spawning looked to improve things. But since that peak back a few months ago when we were on Chernobyl and had random artifacts and a huge player base, things have gone down hill and are going to continue to do so. The server right now isn't just boring, it is dull. There are no anomolies, no mutants, no bandits or loners or anything. It's just MIlitary sitting in their bunker and Freedom sitting in theirs.
The most frustrating part about this is your absolute
refusal to listen to your players.
NO ONE likes the shitty shipment idea,
EVERYONE complains of there being nothing to do and yet you don't change anything. We have been shouting since the server came back up that this economy wouldn't work and you just ignored it. When you asked me to come back and admin I said I would only if you removed shipments and fixed the economy you said you would and you haven't. With every server wipe we've ever had, things get
WORSE The best times on this server were back when Chernobyl was relatively new when we had a large player base (whom you have caused to leave with your ideas and your deaf ears to what players want), active admins who wanted to do events, and artifacts spawning randomly. Oh and we also had developers working for HGN because you hadn't yet claimed their ideas as your own and stolen all the credit for their work yet. People could come on and
accomplished stuff, they didn't need to grind paychecks for months to buy anything (and now that there are no paychecks for anyone other than factioners they can't even do that) because an admin always had a cool event or the artifact spawn system would break and spawn a bunch of artifacts for players to find.
WHO THE FUCK CARES that the economy "was too rich"? No one, because it was
fun.With
EVERY effort you have made to make a "realistic" economy, things have gotten worse. Random artifact spawning is gone, admins can't spawn guns for mission rewards or stashes, most admins aren't that active, and all the players left for TnB. The huge numbers of players HGN has lost from then to now and the even larger number who switched to other servers should have sent up a red flag that maybe trying to make every one poor, unarmed, and bored might not be a good way to run the server. But despite repeated warnings from most of the admin staff and lots of the players that you were driving us off a cliff you continued to ignore the community's suggestions and implement even worse economic systems. And then you decided to rip off Nexus script, which would be fine if you left Kuropixel's name in there somewhere (I think changing some of the windows and items does not allow you to say "Designed and Created by Last Exile" or whatever it says on the credits page as if you had coded the whole thing) and then you put us on a shitty map that every Fallout RP in the universe runs. Want to know why I don't play there? Because they are bland and boring....oh wait we're using the same script and the same map as them and now HGN is bland and boring. Huh fancy that.
You mean there are still people who didn't know this.
Pretty much what Paintcheck said. Booring, nothing going on, too much military, loners and bandits are no where to be seen and even non mili merc are rare. Mutants, appear once in a life time, events are also rare and when I just joined HGN they were like...every five minutes, the economy was working back then and there was a nice player base, there was always someone to roleplay with. The economy is falling apart as he said, so is the player base.
I have to agree on multiple levels here. I think its time the High Council sits down and has a very long discussion after getting some views out of the player base, as well as things that have already been stated in the forums regarding this as a whole. Come on guys, lets turn this thing around shall we? Some of you are probably going to say "We've tried." Well, 'Rome wasn't built in a day' as the saying goes. So keep up the attempts, get a big meeting pulled together, and get this broken down to the nitty gritty, bear bones, nails and boards.
Alright. I unloaded on someone from the server with a rant i dont think he'll soon forget. In his words he tells me "by all means continue on the holy crusade." So Thats exactly what Im going to do. So, lets have it people, voice yourself here, follow Paintchecks example stick to what he has here, aswell as Dug, dont get too far off course, and if you feel you need to troll and flame, take it to a room in the Gay Castle of Sparkle-Skinned vampires.
The server economy is totally fucked up the player base is : 3 freedomers,Rarely a loner and 10 milifags(myself included). The map is not even stalkerish no one has money.bandits don't exist, the only mutant is thy that is active so yeah what paintcheck said the server going to die soon since admins cant do shit our SV's dont do events so or last exile fix things up by hearing the admins and players or lets say bye to SRP
1. The script is no way finished, half the shit is missing and we only went straight over because garry broke the old one.
2. I do and have always cared about SRP, i develop and manage it however it's up to the admins to do events, control the server and create the roleplay (on a lore friendly level). Failure in that is admin and player like alone.
3. The script is nexus, however i have been heavily editing it and declare when people first join that it uses nexus as a base.
4. The economy isn't great and i personally hate it at the momment, the item creation thing was already SA and some of the permissions have not been changed yet, since there are now 3 admin server groups and not two.
5. There are not artifact items yet, ill probably work on those tonight.
6. I depend on feedback on the forums for idea's, issues, bugs, problems and the like, only some of you bother to post your issues on the forums and actually provide useful or supportive information, staying in the background isn't going to get your opinion noticed and neither will shouting at me, we have a development and idea forum for a reason. Yet none of you comment on how the map can be improved or the script for that matter.
7. Ive been doing srp for over 3 years now and i think you guys owe me some slack, im one man and ive done this in my free time, developing several maps, over 200 variations of radiationscript (probably more) and taking onboard everything through the good and bad, where others would just quit.
Lastly i work on the script nearly every day, if you check the change log i list most of the stuff i do, some take a few mins and some hours, and with the complex life im living right now it's hard to hold it together.
+Support for PaintCheck.
I totally agree with what he is saying. Honestly, Awhile ago when I was playing under a different tag, SRP was booming, But now it is in ashes.
rage
To fix this, Give certain traders some items / etc and tell them to make jobs and such. I barely make money, I have around 4,800 RU as a trader in cash. And another 3k in items. Thats NOTHING compared to how much military has and such. What about that stalker Quake, he finds TONS of guns and decides OH IM GONNA KEEP THEM ALL LOL... Really. Well if I had the supplies I'd give out so many fucking jobs until every single rookie atleast has a weapon and some spare cash. Jesus fucking christ its so hard. And traders dont even get a paycheck. Know what I think? Traders should be a whitelist, and then you could just flag them their appropriate tiers. Maybe then they'll actually have a paycheck, All paychecks should be like 500 RU + and instead of having it hourly, maybe even every half hour would help the economy. Us traders dont have alot of resources to work with. Plus even with the resources we have, we cant keep up with the demand for weapons we DONT have and WONT have for the next 2-4 weeks. No one has bought a suit from me because they can buy whatever fuckin suits they want from their faction leader. There is no income for loners, because traders havent sold anything, because FACTION MEMBERS dont want to buy from actual TRADERS besides they're own quartermasters. Military, lets see. They have tons of skats, VS-Val's Vintorez's and all that crap. On my loner. I have 0 RU and nothing else. No one wants to be attacked by bandits, also bandits cant even friggin bandit people like they should. Why? Well heres why. THEY CANT EVEN AFFORD A SHITTY MAKAROV. And even then if you buy a makarov your more likely to hit someone halfway across the map then anyone infront of you.
/rage
Holy balls.
Stalkers now earn a 90 Ruble paycheck (90 x 7 hours = 630 Rubles)
That's enough for;
Most base pistols (Makarov, fort 12)
A Toz Shotgun
Kabars
Medkits
Basically it's a fair amount to earn and will help the Stalker Economy grow.
Quote from: Last.Exile on 07-10-2010
Stalkers now earn a 90 Ruble paycheck (90 x 7 hours = 630 Rubles)
That's enough for;
Most base pistols (Makarov, fort 12)
A Toz Shotgun
Kabars
Medkits
Basically it's a fair amount to earn and will help the Stalker Economy grow.
75 Ru? Wow....
75 rubles is still nothing compaired with the 400+ of factions. I remember before garry raped the script, 1000 RU was a decent ammount to have, at least for me. Now its piss. "1000 RU? Bah, I'll earn it back in a couple days."
Yeah im going to bump down factions.
Anyway you can expect this weekend for me to finish a basic artifact system.
How it will work is admins create a area for an artifact to spawn, then on a random timer a artifact will spawn there.
I have idea's on how to further develop artifacts to be more interesting along the way such as a identification system.
Ecologists and veteran characters can detect what the type of artifacts type is aka "Poor Condition, Good Condition, Excellent Condition" etc. This would give more point to ecologists, allow a skill that stalkers can obtain and also allow traders to undersell new stalkers who do not know the properties of their finds.
I also at somepoint want to develop some sort of detector which allows you to find artifacts and without them you cannot see them. Another thing still on my to-do list is develop artifact slots so the player can equip them, this will effect both physical and mental states of the player, including weight, bleeding (Still to do). You may have noticed the new set of attributes such as Radiation, psi etc.
For those of you who hated controllers psi, this will come in handy when i develop psi protection items.
Will shipments go away? Since its still god aweful and not Loner friendly, Though I like the 90 Ruble paychecks. It still dosn't fix the Shipments which do not really serve much of a purpose, Besides a means to piss folks off.
I can only see bulks and shipments working for Food and Medical Items. But for guns and armor, I would say different.
But the food item and medical items bulks should be somewhat low. I guess?
SRP is only HGN members playing thats good enough proof SRP is dead
The reason why it is dead is because, It is so god damn hard to get started, An average new player who is new to RP has a short attention span, and ussally does not want to spend months of time to get a simple sunrise and AK-74U. Instead of forcing new players to be poor and instead of forcing neutral players to be impossible to play, Simply, get rid of shipments, give traders paychecks, Make it Incredibly easy to aquire low tier gear, and make it ALOT harder to recieve high tier gear, cause if your only reason for making everyone fucking poor is "Lol we had too many exo's" Make it so they either A: Have to apply and limit the amount total. Or B: Make a merit system in which players Good RP and Good behaivor will lead to Exos, But make suits such as the Sunrise and guns like the Ak-74M easy to aquire. That way, we draw in new players, and we keep it interesting for older players, AND do not do wipes, simply have a different way to get rid of an excess of shit. Also make artifacts REALLY common and worth a fuck ton.
Sunrise should be 5k they aren't a uber leveled suit
Quote from: RG4ORDR on 07-10-2010
Sunrise should be 5k they aren't a uber leveled suit
What the fuck? 5K? No, I'm a Stalker, and Thats the only character that I have,. I even donated to get Experienced flags, and I didn't get a suit. all that I got was a shitty ass Makarov, and a donator Status. Yay! -_-
I think Most experienced Stalkers should at least get a suit and a Viper5. Sunrise suit's should be 2k. I'm going to have to make a Freedom character, or maybe a Trader; because the economy is shit.
Making a trader doesn't help the economy, the problem is no one can buy from the traders who are already here because they can't afford it.
Quote from: Paintcheck on 07-10-2010
Making a trader doesn't help the economy, the problem is no one can buy from the traders who are already here because they can't afford it.
^ That, 50 Ru paychecks an hour dosn't make up for the awefull shipment system and lack of jobs/events.
Shipments are incredibly annoying, 200k for five Freedom Seva's wut? I don't need or want as many as five Seva's, please for the love of god get rid of shipments.
Suit shipments i dont think are a good idea.
Hell i dont even understand the server at the moment as im getting back in the swing of it.
But if there are weapon shipments, they should stay. How better to equip a faction with the weapons they should be using, rather than all you leaders being like "Have anything you want"
That Quake guy is part of The Sanctioned, shows how stalker clans work out pretty nicely.
Quote from: Steel on 08-10-2010
Suit shipments i dont think are a good idea.
Hell i dont even understand the server at the moment as im getting back in the swing of it.
But if there are weapon shipments, they should stay. How better to equip a faction with the weapons they should be using, rather than all you leaders being like "Have anything you want"
Or you could just tell your factioneers "You have to use this gun." instead of fucking over everyone who dosn't want to be in a major faction. Cause atm we concentrate HEAVILY on Faction and faction RP. Loners, bandits, and freelance merc ussally get left out in the cold. . . Its been slowly getting that way for a while. And also atm the factions are ussally the majority which is uncannon since most stalkers did not belong to a faction, They where either Loners, Bandits, or Mercs. . . Those are major poulation groups well mercs not so much, But it would be nice to see more freelance mercs, Bandits and loners rather than 89089087 Mili on, 8759723910857 Freedom on and no one doing jackshit, and just farming paychecks having a mini-arms race going, and the fact that Mono and Duty are all, Less active then freedom and Military also wrecks havoc on cannon. Our server atm is boring, and not new player friendly, "If your not in a faction, you are worth shit" ia basically how it is. Hell its not even old player friendly atm.
Can we at least wait for the script to be pulled together a bit more? If I knew how to script, I would help. I got free time in weekdays. I would think we first should get people to help out by polishing the game mode first before trying to fix the game.
No No No, The 'Making of lonering impossible' Has been a long process, only helped along by shipments. . . Shipments should be removed entirely, or at least kept to food and meds.
Quote from: Wings on 07-10-2010
Quote from: RG4ORDR on 07-10-2010
Sunrise should be 5k they aren't a uber leveled suit
What the fuck? 5K? No, I'm a Stalker, and Thats the only character that I have,. I even donated to get Experienced flags, and I didn't get a suit. all that I got was a shitty ass Makarov, and a donator Status. Yay! -_-
I think Most experienced Stalkers should at least get a suit and a Viper5. Sunrise suit's should be 2k. I'm going to have to make a Freedom character, or maybe a Trader; because the economy is shit.
You
donated just to get EXP flags?
Haha, you're pathetic.
I agree with Tom. The shipment idea works on very, very few things. Removal of it would help to begin leveling out the current situation some. As for the Military and Freedom activity. I'm one of the Militaries "Big 3" but with what Ive been reading here, I will begin to use my Loner more often, even if im the ONLY Loner on in a group of Military and Freedom, and Ill just wait for RP oppertunities to arise from those who are looking for it, when the server does begin to populate and more Loners, bandits, and freelance mercs begin showing up, then Ill decide if the time and player base is at enough of a stability, to switch over to my militant.
Dosent help with a dying theme.
Stalker roleplay, another reason people are getting bored.
You cant soley blame the Economy. People are getting bored of RPing STALKER.
Quote from: Jake on 08-10-2010
Quote from: Wings on 07-10-2010
Quote from: RG4ORDR on 07-10-2010
Sunrise should be 5k they aren't a uber leveled suit
What the fuck? 5K? No, I'm a Stalker, and Thats the only character that I have,. I even donated to get Experienced flags, and I didn't get a suit. all that I got was a shitty ass Makarov, and a donator Status. Yay! -_-
I think Most experienced Stalkers should at least get a suit and a Viper5. Sunrise suit's should be 2k. I'm going to have to make a Freedom character, or maybe a Trader; because the economy is shit.
You donated just to get EXP flags?
Haha, you're pathetic.
No, I donated to get some fucking guns when I spawn, because I get sick and tired of having my loner character get his stuff stolen by "Lol bandits" and then I have to save up for another weapon because It doesn't re spawn and the Fuckers just run away with my gun; only for the admin to say "Meh. It's just an Ak74U."
I'ts about to be Freedom faction time....
Quote from: Mrtasker on 08-10-2010
Shipments are incredibly annoying, 200k for five Freedom Seva's wut? I don't need or want as many as five Seva's, please for the love of god get rid of shipments.
Ill fix that, faction suits (apart from lowest tier) arn't meant to be shipments.
I would like to defend me, being an admin. I have lost the ability to do most things, although still TRY to do. The small things i do suck because it comes out of MY pocket AKA military paycheck. When i do/try to do events... guess what i try to include only? Stalkers, and not any stalker... poor new stalkers. Last thing i did cost me around 5k OUT OF MY OWN POCKET... to put items around. Not my fault SAs lost the power to spawn items... Trust apparently is gone.
Which was stated in the first post.
I'm not wasting 7 hours to get a T0Z in a video game. It's too boring.
What Chaos said, people don't have time to dedicate their life to get low tier weapons.
Quote from: ㅎㅎLocke on 09-10-2010
What Chaos said, people don't have time to dedicate their life to get low tier weapons.
^ This
Shipments need to be removed, Paychecks need to be higher, and everything should cost less. If something like this is not done soon SRP could be in SERIOUS trouble.
But if everything is too cheap and only takes a few hours to get, we will get back to a server filled with exos.
Quote from: Khorn on 09-10-2010
But if everything is too cheap and only takes a few hours to get, we will get back to a server filled with exos.
Better then a server with no items, or players.
Derp
You may think that's better. But the bitching about anything will never end. Just replaced by other shit.
I say when you start a new char, they start off with 2k. This would be good for a short time until the economic crisis is over. People would be able to buy guns, ammo, and some misc. items. Now a days there are never any jobs, so if you are just a loner and you do not have a character in the faction, you are fucked.
EDIT: Only problem would be is that people would duplicate/exploit the money by /rublesdrop 2000, then making a new char.
Quote from: andrewhatesyou on 09-10-2010
I say when you start a new char, they start off with 2k. This would be good for a short time until the economic crisis is over. People would be able to buy guns, ammo, and some misc. items. Now a days there are never any jobs, so if you are just a loner and you do not have a character in the faction, you are fucked.
EDIT: Only problem would be is that people would duplicate/exploit the money by /rublesdrop 2000, then making a new char.
No because you can only make so many characters, and you MUST have a certain amount of money on your character before it can be deleted.
Forcing people to be poor is stupid and boring. To fix it so people can't buy a millioon exos don't sell exos or high grade weapons for e rubles problem solved. I have been advocated this for months. Just make it so the highest tier rubles buy is like high end STALKER gear (Seva, Groza/G36, things like that) and only award Exos for excellent RP and crazy events and things like that. That way all players get to have jobs, guns and money without feeling poor and bored and exos don't flood the server.
I once suggested that there is a permanent limit to Exos in SRP. Such as 1 exo per faction that ever had one. And maybe 2 for Loners/Bandits. Only way to get one is kill someone who has it. Or buy it off them.
Same with the high grade weapons. And maybe some of the higher suits.
Quote from: Paintcheck on 09-10-2010
Forcing people to be poor is stupid and boring. To fix it so people can't buy a millioon exos don't sell exos or high grade weapons for e rubles problem solved. I have been advocated this for months. Just make it so the highest tier rubles buy is like high end STALKER gear (Seva, Groza/G36, things like that) and only award Exos for excellent RP and crazy events and things like that. That way all players get to have jobs, guns and money without feeling poor and bored and exos don't flood the server.
Exos were'nt even that bad because it was application, but the people with exos were more active so it could have looked that way.
The system you mentioned would work much better though, only not all admins would be true and they could give it out to their friends.
Quote from: Khorn on 09-10-2010
I once suggested that there is a permanent limit to Exos in SRP. Such as 1 exo per faction that ever had one. And maybe 2 for Loners/Bandits. Only way to get one is kill someone who has it. Or buy it off them.
Same with the high grade weapons. And maybe some of the higher suits.
I don't agree, has been tried a bunch but never enforced. If you deserve an exo you should get it.
Quote from: Chaos on 10-10-2010
I don't agree, has been tried a bunch but never enforced. If you deserve an exo you should get it.
Even so, there should be enforced limit to exos. If we stop at applications, the whole server one day could get exos. New players would be slaughtered if they try anything. And Exo's cause people to think themselves as being bad asses.
I like that, maximum of say maybe 2 or 3 exos per faction, maybe 5 for loners/bandits and 2 / 3 for merc as well.
AND THEN only one exo per minor faction. (unless the faction has possible auths to have more)
I love how this thread sort of dies down, But yet nothing dramatic has been done to help the server.
Because pretty much every possible course of action has already been discussed.
Quote from: Paintcheck on 11-10-2010
Because pretty much every possible course of action has already been discussed.
Yea and every change to the economy usually just makes it worse.
Quote from: Paintcheck on 11-10-2010
Because pretty much every possible course of action has already been discussed.
It's been discussed, But Silver has yet to remove shipments, give the population more money, and Give admins the ability to spawn weapons.
The shipments have been edited.
Quote from: Dug on 11-10-2010
The shipments have been edited.
Well, I was on today; and It was pretty much empty. I just want it back to the way it was before.
Can we go back to around 10ish months ago when things were fun?
Quote from: Paintcheck on 12-10-2010
Can we go back to around 10ish months ago when things were fun?
Redemption? Those where good times.
Quote from: Turkey on 12-10-2010
Quote from: Paintcheck on 12-10-2010
Can we go back to around 10ish months ago when things were fun?
Redemption? Those where good times.
Agree. Lolmerc era at Chernobyl was pretty fun too.
Yes, I personally do not care for Redemption; But as long as people are playing, It's cool.
hey guys look at it this way
has the economy ever been good? answer: no
on an unrelated note:
so i went to go reapply to traders, but then i saw all these dumb stickies that made no sense, and i'm like FUCK THAT
making like a tree and getting the fuck out
Quote from: Dutch on 17-10-2010
hey guys look at it this way
has the economy ever been good? answer: no
on an unrelated note:
so i went to go reapply to traders, but then i saw all these dumb stickies that made no sense, and i'm like FUCK THAT
making like a tree and getting the fuck out
Pissing in a Sea of Piss, no?
The server econmy in my opinion, is getting better. I know a friend who has a sunrise, and some other good guns because of stashes and jobs.
Quote from: andrewhatesyou on 17-10-2010
The server econmy in my opinion, is getting better. I know a friend who has a sunrise, and some other good guns because of stashes and jobs.
I love it how he will still look for stashes even when he has a Sunrise.
Stash whoring is starting to get annoying. The moment one is made some one grabs it, leaving nothing for the new players it was intended for.
Quote from: lolKieck on 17-10-2010
Quote from: andrewhatesyou on 17-10-2010
The server econmy in my opinion, is getting better. I know a friend who has a sunrise, and some other good guns because of stashes and jobs.
I love it how he will still look for stashes even when he has a Sunrise.
Quote from: N3gativezero on 17-10-2010
Stash whoring is starting to get annoying. The moment one is made some one grabs it, leaving nothing for the new players it was intended for.
That's my point bro, even when you get an Abakan and a Sunrise, you don't stop until getting FN F2000 and an Exoskeleton. I left the cash-making and sometimes was doing jobs when I got the suit and weapons I mentioned.
Well I'm trying to sell shit and I can't because I only have tier 1 weapons, whereas all these "Rookies" have Spas's and AN's, and those fucking Smilodons hoard cash and weapons I swear to fucking god they do with the amount of gear they have. Quake is the worst >.>
The reason they have so much is because Midnight finds every stash and hoards those guns.
Quote from: Paintcheck on 19-10-2010
The reason they have so much is because Midnight finds every stash and hoards those guns.
And never RP's anymore.
No flaming intended here, but all I've even seen Smilidons (or whatever they're called) doing is minging. I witness one scenario where several of them (forgot names) prop surfed onto the roof of Freedoms bar.
Layton: No flaming
Quote from: Comradebritish on 19-10-2010
Well I'm trying to sell shit and I can't because I only have tier 1 weapons, whereas all these "Rookies" have Spas's and AN's, and those fucking Smilodons hoard cash and weapons I swear to fucking god they do with the amount of gear they have. Quake is the worst >.>
Midnight MAYBE stopped stashwhoring (let's call it like that) after he realized he breaks economy in some sort of way.
Quote from: Turkey on 19-10-2010
Layton: No flaming
Lol.
Quote from: Comradebritish on 19-10-2010
Well I'm trying to sell shit and I can't because I only have tier 1 weapons, whereas all these "Rookies" have Spas's and AN's, and those fucking Smilodons hoard cash and weapons I swear to fucking god they do with the amount of gear they have. Quake is the worst >.>
I lead that faction and all i have are 1 makarov and a viper. I have around 1000 ru. I only wish we had alot of stuff. ( btw we are removing the minges in our faction we got alot of people without having any type of application we just kind of took people in going "Oh we need a big faction bigger is better" but now i see bigger is not in any way better. We have been only recruiting people who have no bad past and are not known for any minging, bad behavior twards other members, etc. Please tell me about anyone you find doing anything bad.
-sorry)
It's good that you are weeding out the bad people.
Hopefully we can remove all the hoarders from SRP.
I don't mean to flame, but if you have Lt. Taylor helping you lead a faction, that's the reason some of those minges were let in, ever see what he did to another person's group? I believe they were The Shaken or something and Taylor ran his friend's faction for him and sent it down the shitter and ruined the guy's reputation.
Sorry for going off-topic, but it's just a mere observation.
Quote from: [INVICTUS] on 23-10-2010
I don't mean to flame, but if you have Lt. Taylor helping you lead a faction, that's the reason some of those minges were let in, ever see what he did to another person's group? I believe they were The Shaken or something and Taylor ran his friend's faction for him and sent it down the shitter and ruined the guy's reputation.
Qft
The only reason the Similodons have shit reputation is because of Taylor. I was in the group for a good time, and when I played with Tyler he just robbed/stash whored the whole time. NO Rp at all. I tried to do some jobs for the Ecologists, but they saw my STT patch and denied me. Once I figured out how shitty the reputation was because of Tyler, I had to leave. I made a new character and left a note to the STT saying my main character (Vladimir Kindikov) had left the zone. Now, with my new STALKER character I can see a difference between attitude. The group is good, but Taylor IMO is just too immature.
Taylor is part of the reason why the economy is shit.
Quote from: andrewhatesyou on 23-10-2010
The only reason the Similodons have shit reputation is because of Taylor. I was in the group for a good time, and when I played with Tyler he just robbed/stash whored the whole time. NO Rp at all. I tried to do some jobs for the Ecologists, but they saw my STT patch and denied me. Once I figured out how shitty the reputation was because of Tyler, I had to leave. I made a new character and left a note to the STT saying my main character (Vladimir Kindikov) had left the zone. Now, with my new STALKER character I can see a difference between attitude. The group is good, but Taylor IMO is just too immature.
Taylor is part of the reason why the economy is shit.
This is why bandits should only rob 1/3 of the victims money, some bandages and medkits, and spare weaponry.
You still get money, but you don't make people ragequit. Simple, isn't it ?
Also, Sunrise, Abakan, and he robs ?
The fact is, the Similodons are so confused as to what they are they are on a constant rotation of pretending to be mercenaries, loners, a cult, and now because they have no source of regular income (Partially from some traders not doing that many missions, although I'm not saying they haven't done any before.) I know maybe two or three of them or maybe even the whole damn group resorts to banditing just to keep up with the economy, I hate when people retort that they don't leave people they rob with nothing left. If you even think about it, why the hell are you going out and robbing the new playerbase, like your asking them to fall over die and leave.
Figure out who the hell you guys are, it's confusing enough hearing stories of what you guys do, sometimes in contradiction to your group backstory and even at that some things are a bit bogus, especially the ' the suicidal ninja ' crap you said was meant as a metaphor, but really how many people in your group are really willing to go out either shooting or even risk fighting a man who has a gun while your unarmed.. really what stalker in his right mind would risk his life just because he follows some feral caste system with others stalker, which in my opinion I doubt half of you do most of the time (Seriously, who would want to walk around acting like a pack of wolves, look where that got you already..)
QuoteThis is why bandits should only rob 1/3 of the victims money, some bandages and medkits, and spare weaponry.
You still get money, but you don't make people ragequit. Simple, isn't it ?
Also, Sunrise, Abakan, and he robs ?
I do agree with only taking a portion of the stalker's stuff, but my main concern is just robbing rookies who are still trying to get used to SRP and then get robbed of what they have, I know sometimes bandits don't have the luxury of knowing " Oh, this guy just joined for the first time today." when they find an oppurtunity to rob this lone stalker by himself in the woods. But asking bandits to leave spare weaponry, medkits, and bandages, ect.. It's hard when people are strapped for cash and weapons themselves and go on and take it anyways just because they THINK they can.
My bandits stick by a code.
1.) Do not rob for more then 50 rubles.
2.) Take the ammo from their current gun, but not the gun itself (Safety Precaution).
3.) Never, under any circumstances, rob the same person multiple times in a single day.
4.) Stay neutral to all factions.
Quote from: Alucard on 24-10-2010
4.) Stay neutral to all factions.
How do you manage that
Quote from: Jake on 24-10-2010
Quote from: Alucard on 24-10-2010
4.) Stay neutral to all factions.
How do you manage that
Bribes
And not wearing a bandit trench, or bandit patch near people who hate bandits.