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Hm... I suggest not allowing violence inside the base.   ;)

We kinda don't allow it if it causes a problem and pisses people off, but stepping into Stalkers bees wax while they are fighting it out is a good way to get shot.

Quote from: Mrtasker on 29-05-2010
We kinda don't allow it if it causes a problem and pisses people off, but stepping into Stalkers bees wax while they are fighting it out is a good way to get shot.

What i mean is, If i walk into the bar and call who ever is trading a prick. I will get shot... It's kinda like "Well, he called me a fucker so i blew his head off.." In STALKER killing inside the faction base was instant kill on sight..

Quote from: Alexander Degtyarev on 29-05-2010

Quote from: Mrtasker on 29-05-2010
We kinda don't allow it if it causes a problem and pisses people off, but stepping into Stalkers bees wax while they are fighting it out is a good way to get shot.

What i mean is, If i walk into the bar and call who ever is trading a prick. I will get shot... It's kinda like "Well, he called me a fucker so i blew his head off.." In STALKER killing inside the faction base was instant kill on sight..

So don't walk into a base and call whoever is trading a prick? Problemo' solved.

Quote from: Mrtasker on 29-05-2010

Quote from: Alexander Degtyarev on 29-05-2010

Quote from: Mrtasker on 29-05-2010
We kinda don't allow it if it causes a problem and pisses people off, but stepping into Stalkers bees wax while they are fighting it out is a good way to get shot.

What i mean is, If i walk into the bar and call who ever is trading a prick. I will get shot... It's kinda like "Well, he called me a fucker so i blew his head off.." In STALKER killing inside the faction base was instant kill on sight..

So don't walk into a base and call whoever is trading a prick? Problemo' solved.

Tee hee, What about if the trader has a grudge and attempts to kill you? :D

Sounds like if a Dutyier walked into Freedom or a Monolith walked in a Military bar.

If someone hates you enough to want to kill, you don't walk up to them.

I wish we could get a tad it more roleplay inside the armory. Never really see anyone in there.

Quote from: Tsukaro on 15-06-2010
I wish we could get a tad it more roleplay inside the armory. Never really see anyone in there.

Maybe... Because it is our Armory?

He wants to be the engineer so, yea we can try to improve that

Yeah. . . I've noticed that freedom. . . Went to hell. . . I remeber when I joined we would 90% of the time would Passive, sit around the fire smoke pot and talk about shit, Or we would party, Or we would go on "Walks" (AKA Patrols) Now-a-days it appears as though we are geared more toward a "Drama RP" sort of thing. . . Where someone fussing can be blowed way out of proportion and possibly turn into a gunfight. . . Or someone will activly try to attack/kill someone even though they have been told multiple times not to. . . I also find that it is now OK to shoot/beat up your fellow freedomers. I also find that this has became a standard for some STALKERs too. . . Though I am guilty of the "Beatin's" it wasn't like it was unprovoked. . . Taking nudey pictures of someones soon to be wife is a big no no, But shooting at someone for finding out they were a prostitute once apon a time? Or Threating to kick someones ass simply because he said "Shut the hell up!" and I said that for good reason too. . . Lay off the super duper emotional RP and kick back relax, have a conversation about philosophy while smoking pot, Have a fun party now and then, Go out on patrols and such, hell some training might be nice as well.

Thought I shouldn't of kept this to myself, I think bringing in Admins to Freedom is Ok, Radek for example, Auto Accepted CAUSE he's a Admin, then gave him a higher Rank. Seems a little unfair to everyone else in Freedom that actually TRIED on there Applaction then see Radek show up with a Applaction a 5 year old could make. I've been seeing this alot with a bunch of Factions lately, it needs to stop.

Please consider this Complaint and understand the mistake your making with your Applactions over Admins, Thank you.

Well no not really pawx, He was auto accepted based on his RP ability incase you havent noticed freedom is lacking good RPer's and yea rep is also a factor in this, a factor that caused you an uneasy start in freedom, maybe get active, Also TeaGuy and a few others were auto accepted because we -NEEDED- members who we can trust.

Its because admins can be trusted, they don't need to prove anything through an app.

Quote from: Goose on 26-08-2010
Well no not really pawx, He was auto accepted based on his RP ability incase you havent noticed freedom is lacking good RPer's and yea rep is also a factor in this, a factor that caused you an uneasy start in freedom, maybe get active, Also TeaGuy and a few others were auto accepted because we -NEEDED- members who we can trust.

Let me get this straight, you define everyone by there Reputation? Pretty much everyone that's in Freedom can RP very well, there great roleplayers, but you put them done because of there Reputation?! Now that's Really Unfair. Why would you define someone by there Reputation in HGN, pretty much a Reputation here is like being liked by a bunch of 12 year old kids. You shouldn't be accepting people of there Reputation here, you should be accepting people of there Roleplaying skills and Application (Aka, Grammer and Writing.) I can understand on being Trusted, being a Admin doesn't get you automatic Trusting, Bielecki, Look at Crimzon for example, and the Many admins that were trusted once.

Quote from: Goose on 26-08-2010
because we -NEEDED- members who we can trust.

This is why i was accepting people based on Rep Pawx, If you are a known shitty RP'r that is REP of course i am not going to accept someone who is known to be complete shit, Even if they have the worlds best app yet they are the worlds worst RP'r they wouldn't be accepted, Example RG4 would -NEVER- Be let back into freedom because he is a fucking retard, Peoples rep on the server is mostly defined by their RP ability and how they act, if i had it my way Welek never would have been in freedom, Because look at what he went off and had done, Minged duty base, painted it and done alot of other shit to it, he got removed imideitatly after that.

And Crimzon isn't trusted anymore and probably wouldnt be accepted because he isn't trusted, but if an admin who i did accept were to pull some stupid shit they would be removed.

Quote from: Goose on 28-08-2010

Quote from: Goose on 26-08-2010
because we -NEEDED- members who we can trust.

This is why i was accepting people based on Rep Pawx, If you are a known shitty RP'r that is REP of course i am not going to accept someone who is known to be complete shit, Even if they have the worlds best app yet they are the worlds worst RP'r they wouldn't be accepted, Example RG4 would -NEVER- Be let back into freedom because he is a fucking retard, Peoples rep on the server is mostly defined by their RP ability and how they act, if i had it my way Welek never would have been in freedom, Because look at what he went off and had done, Minged duty base, painted it and done alot of other shit to it, he got removed imideitatly after that.

And Crimzon isn't trusted anymore and probably wouldnt be accepted because he isn't trusted, but if an admin who i did accept were to pull some stupid shit they would be removed.

All I wanted to hear, Thanks.

Well seeing as you removed my comments from the Freedom network I will post them here.

Can you guys stop bitching about the tiny, 5 person Merc group and my tiny, 3 person bandit/slaving/trading group and actually go back to fighting other factions? I realize Duty is inactive as fuck but military is clearly all set to fight you guys as evidenced by Dug's failing yesterday. Get your boys together and go fight them or something. Stop picking on tiny player groups, of course you are going to beat them with your Skats and G36s and L85s. Go fight someone evenly matched.

Quote from: Paintcheck on 26-10-2010
Well seeing as you removed my comments from the Freedom network I will post them here.

Can you guys stop bitching about the tiny, 5 person Merc group and my tiny, 3 person bandit/slaving/trading group and actually go back to fighting other factions? I realize Duty is inactive as fuck but military is clearly all set to fight you guys as evidenced by Dug's failing yesterday. Get your boys together and go fight them or something. Stop picking on tiny player groups, of course you are going to beat them with your Skats and G36s and L85s. Go fight someone evenly matched.

Shouldn't Freedom hire stalkers to deal with small threats like Mercs as seen in SoC.

Quote from: Paintcheck on 26-10-2010
Well seeing as you removed my comments from the Freedom network I will post them here.

Can you guys stop bitching about the tiny, 5 person Merc group and my tiny, 3 person bandit/slaving/trading group and actually go back to fighting other factions? I realize Duty is inactive as fuck but military is clearly all set to fight you guys as evidenced by Dug's failing yesterday. Get your boys together and go fight them or something. Stop picking on tiny player groups, of course you are going to beat them with your Skats and G36s and L85s. Go fight someone evenly matched.

We shouldn't be targeting the merc group or Hawk unless they become a serious threat, But the military are way to over powered for us to fight them, duty and monolith are inactive leaving us to passive, or be raped 8V2 fighting the military.

We fought the merc group because they blew up our generator, we got some payback and killed a couple of their people then called a truce.

I fail to see what the hubub is all about.

Its mainly because we are fighting small player based factions more then the other major factions, and the freedom getting its ass handed to it wouldn't be a problem if there where shit to do on a regular basis OTHER THAN Passive drama rp. Like for instance, a faction fight, or an event that dosn't involve a super mutan awesome baby or some shit. I mean Passive is OKay, but when its all a major faction does, there is a blatant and obvious problem.

Quote from: Mrtasker on 26-10-2010

I fail to see what the hubub is all about.

The fact that I haven't seen any of the major factions acting at all like they should be is what "the hubbub" is about. The last time Freedom actually DID shit as a faction was back when Locke/Cobra led it. Ever since Tundruff and now the current leadership has been in power Freedom has been similar to 1920s America: Holy shit we need to stay isolated and absolutely nonthreatening! DO SOMETHING. I realize it isn't entirely your fault since the other major factions are inactive as shit (other than military) but at the same time it is mostly your fault. When the Freedom/mili numbers are close, even a small skirmish or raid would be cool. And even the inactive factions, when they do get on they DO STUFF. Duty goes on patrols, Monolith shoots shit, Military breaks the rules of the server and common sense by trying to stomp on smaller factions due to them having a 5:1 numerical advantage, etc. Freedom does nothing except sit in their base and stomp on tiny player groups. Even if it was just a few freedomers taking pot shots at the base and running away. Just some interaction between Freedom and a group that isn't some tiny stalker group that Freedom can easily crush would be nice to see.

And I realize military is also overpowered as fuck but again you don't need to make it a long engagement. Just an annoying guerrilla raid and retreat and shit. And RP.

Freedom needs to act more like Freedom. Example: "Living the easy life." When someone walks into your bar and sees the military looking skats you can expect them to think "Not really an easy life now is it?"
Other than that in the games I have never seen one single freedomer with a skat. Which makes things even more rediciolus. When I was in Freedom it was a contest of who is going to be the stupidest and the most badass guy in freedom. Which is an other dumb thing. What Freedom should be is a fun loving stalker clan who is vicous about defending their turf as seen in Clear Sky with the mercs. I joined Freedom once, saw what it was and just simply crossed it off my list when it comes to Major Factions.


Also, I've seen Freedomers deal with mercenaries, not to mention Duties attack with mercs being sent to blow up generators. According to canon, both of these major factions don't deal with mercenaries and shoot the fuck out of them. Not to mention bandits. Both of these factions hate them too.

Also that fail you called on me Paintcheck is called "Drinking and then going on SRP."

This is the problem with Cannon, Its often times not good for decent RP. "Oh your a merc we kill joo!" or "Oh your a bandit we instantly kill joo!" and the skats? They where originaly going to get skats in the beta but for some reason they did not, along with Duty, and Mercs getting there own skats. Sooo. . . Meh. . . If we stuck to cannon (Which some people are such cannon freaks as to acuse people of banditry simply for wearing a coat, which to me is incredibly retarded since the bandit coat was initialy a game mechanic so that you don't run around and kill 5834798237 Stalkers while trying to kill some bandits. So from now on if I see "Your in a trench, your a bandit" Im going to fucking flip out and shoot someone, Im going to do what cannon bandits do, and thats plain out RDM, Same thing with Cannon mercs, they should totaly RDM the entire server, But thats not the point) we would have NO mercs and NO bandits. . . why? Cause no one deals with them. . . Sometimes Cannon has to take a back seat to Role Play, in this case it does, I'd rather see small uncannon things such as SKATs and dealings with Mercs and slight tolerance for bandits then to see a metric fuck ton of Factioneers and No Stalkers, Bandits, or Mercs.

But I do agree that freedom needs to drop the "Im a badass" thing and work as a team of brothers who strive for free access to the zone.

Quote from: Tom on 27-10-2010
This is the problem with Cannon, Its often times not good for decent RP. "Oh your a merc we kill joo!" or "Oh your a bandit we instantly kill joo!" and the skats? They where originaly going to get skats in the beta but for some reason they did not, along with Duty, and Mercs getting there own skats. Sooo. . . Meh. . . If we stuck to cannon (Which some people are such cannon freaks as to acuse people of banditry simply for wearing a coat, which to me is incredibly retarded since the bandit coat was initialy a game mechanic so that you don't run around and kill 5834798237 Stalkers while trying to kill some bandits. So from now on if I see "Your in a trench, your a bandit" Im going to fucking flip out and shoot someone, Im going to do what cannon bandits do, and thats plain out RDM, Same thing with Cannon mercs, they should totaly RDM the entire server, But thats not the point) we would have NO mercs and NO bandits. . . why? Cause no one deals with them. . . Sometimes Cannon has to take a back seat to Role Play, in this case it does, I'd rather see small uncannon things such as SKATs and dealings with Mercs and slight tolerance for bandits then to see a metric fuck ton of Factioneers and No Stalkers, Bandits, or Mercs.

But I do agree that freedom needs to drop the "Im a badass" thing and work as a team of brothers who strive for free access to the zone.

Point taken.

I really don't see what the big deal is. The only reason we sit in our base and to diddly-shit has been stated many times, Duty is innactive as fuck, and Monolith is SO small and SO innactive it isn't even a major faction anymore. It's be useless to attack the military, as they'd see us a mile away, take cover behind thier wall/barricade/doomfort and thats the end of it, or we'd get picked off by Grozas and VSSs.

Bandits and Mercs are about the closest thing we can find to enemie factions, and people are complaining that us enguaging them is "Un-cannon". But you know what? What about SRP IS cannon? Not much, that's for sure. I sure dont recall there being "Rookies" with Abakans and Spas-12s in SoC or CS (CoP they can get them VIA looting, but thats not the point), do I? One of the only cannon things I can think of off the top of my head is the wepons the factions use. If cannon really means so much to people, play the original games, you'll drown in cannon.

It's not that engaging bandits and mercs is "uncanon" it's that those bandits and mercs combined number all of 8 people with probably 5 guns between them. Freedom has SKATs, L85s, LR300s, G36s. So you're complaining that Military will beat you in a fight so you decide to go do the same thing military is going to do to you to someone else and you don't understand why those "someone elses" are annoyed by it?

The grand totaly of mercs/bandits may only amount to 8 people, but you have to realise that it's a miracle to see more then 4 Freedomers on at one time. And no, banits/mercs have Abakans, Lr300s, SPAs-12s and other mid to high tier guns aswell. And I'm not complaining about the military winning, I was stating the fact that, they most likely would, although they're AFK 99% of the time they're on, which even then, isn't very often, which means that, like all faction conflict related events, they seem to happen once-in-a-blue-moon.

"And no, banits/mercs have Abakans, Lr300s, SPAs-12s and other mid to high tier guns aswell."

Wait, when? Did I miss some free giveaway for mercs and bandits? Damnit I want MY mid to high tier stuff!

...Seeing as I RUN the bandit group you speak of I know what our equipment level is. And seeing as the mercs bought all their shit from me I know what their equipment level is too. The mercs have LR300s and 1 Sig 550. The suits they have are just models, not actual suits. Freedom has Skats and shit. You still think our little 8 person band can stand up against you?

Lets use the Wolf Squad for example. They have merc suits, which give better protection than the Wind of Freedom suit. They also have weapons that are just as good. So, although Freedom mgiht a have a slight numerical advantage, they're still just as well armed, if not better. As for Bandits, look at any Loner on the server. Odds are they're packing serious firepower, aside from the occasional one with a TOZ or Makarov.

They're just models? Not actual suits? Well, this kinda voided any argument I had. Although my point about the "Rookies" armed with AKms n shit still stands.

Yeah so shut up and fight other factions please. Rookies have nothing to do with Freedom's ability to engage in fights.

And AK74Ms are worse than the LR300s Freedom all has anyway. So just stop arguing and fix the faction please (not necessarily you personally zero)

But thats exactly the thing! NONE of the other factions are ever on. Duty is never on, Monolith is dead, and Military is never on, but when they are they seem to always be AFK. I would know, I had a Milimerc for a while. Theres litteraly no one to fight EXEPT player-based groups.

I would be on more as my mono, but I'm limited to weekends only.

Hopefully Dug takes over the Duty faction and revives it.
As for military, if they are AFK, attack them. They shouldn't go on and be AFK at all. If you plan to leave your computer for more then an hour, get off SRP.

I think this entire thread is a grief attack to Freedom thats spiraled out of control by anger and immaturity. All I've read in this thread is "OMFG HE HAS GUNZ" or "OMFG WE HAD SHIT GUNZ KILL SOMEONE ELSE!". SRP is a -game-, please treat it as such and stop acting like its the end of the world if you get killed IC. At least you weren't DM'd. The valid point is there is RARELY another faction online with the strength to fight Freedom. And when there is, its usually an out numbering amount for one side. In the Zone it does not matter who the fuck you are, if you attack a Major Faction or their resources you get fucked up, end of story.

Not really, If you pay attention to the jobs freedom and Duty give through out the games they always send STALKERs or Trusted friends who are not dutiers out to fuck up whomever they do not like, Since With duty they where busy guarding their checkpoints, Bases, and killing mutants. Freedom was always busy eitther A) Getting wasted B) Guarding Base or C) Fucking duty up and stuff. The bottom line is they are ussaly too busy and shit to send there own guys to take care of shit like bandits and Mercs since Duty and Freedom where ussallly way to busy doing either the listed above or shooting the other faction. Sooo. . . Yeah. . . and most of the time when you guys kill ICly you kill oocly as well. And NLRing is often times REALLY fucking annoying, especailly after you get some decent RP started up with whomever only to have random Major faction come in and shoot/capture then shoot everyone. Also, I fail to see how it is fun for ANYONE to either A) Grab 8 people and go out and kill 1 or 2 people, Or B) Get "Rofl Stomped" by 8 plus people. Its like punching Puppies, or getting punched as a little kid by a teenager, neither are entertaining OR fun.

And No one has raged or flamed Freedom, There is such things as using Curse words as modifiers, like I do at times.

Quote from: OBrian on 28-10-2010
In the Zone it does not matter who the fuck you are, if you attack a Major Faction or their resources you get fucked up, end of story.

That's the thing my bandit group DID NOT ATTACK THE MAJOR FACTION and does not feel like getting DM'd (since it would be DMing for Freedom to kill us for no IC reason).

Here's also an idea DON'T BRING EVERYONE AND THEIR BROTHER TO EVERY GUNFIGHT this isn't that hard. If, say, Duty has 3 people on and Freedom has 8, send 3 Freedomers to fight Duty. There you go, even fight and the player counts don't matter and people are less bored.

And the reason I am "picking" on Freedom is because you have the longest history of being a faction that refused to do anything. Duty is inactive but when they do get on I see them on patrol and shit. Monolith is pretty active and they also patrol and shit (hell I even traded with a mono earlier). Military hangs out at their checkpoint and interacts with STALKERS and probably would go out on patrol if they wouldn't get bitched at by doing so by everyone else. Freedom sits at their checkpoint or in their bar. Period. See the difference?

Yay. Freedoms thread is being posted in 24\7.. Too bad it's the complaints thread ;\

If you don't like what Freedom does, ignore it, or don't be a part of it. Theres you're solution, please stop whining.

This thread is called "SUGGESTIONS and complaints" saying "ignore it" is exactly the reason the factions all suck, because they don't take action to FIX what is wrong with them. Sorry you are too defensive to understand the definition of "Constructive criticism". Getting all defensive and making excuses doesn't actually fix the problem now does it?

Quote from: Paintcheck on 28-10-2010
This thread is called "SUGGESTIONS and complaints" saying "ignore it" is exactly the reason the factions all suck, because they don't take action to FIX what is wrong with them. Sorry you are too defensive to understand the definition of "Constructive criticism". Getting all defensive and making excuses doesn't actually fix the problem now does it?

Just let Freedom do shit until it falls apart.

Well, theres really nothing Freedom can do about Duty and everyone else being so innactive. THis is probably one of the only scenarios I've seen where being the most (or one of the most) active faction seems to be almost a bad thing. If you don't like the fact that we don't go on "patrols" every 5 minutes, and have 100s of jobs for people to do then, well, thats too bad. Traders are for jobs, and we don't have enemie factions up our asses (aside from player based ones, the other majors ones, as I've stated many times, are innactive as fuck) so theres really no need for patrols. Although it should be noted that whenever Duty is actualy on, we do shit. A couple Duty-ers had a activity-streak and where on two days in a row. Both those days we shot up thier main gate and actualy did stuff. The reason for innactivity and i guess you could call it lazyness of the faction in general is that theres just nothing to do if theres no enemie factions around.

Seeing as this is going no where, Negative zero stop posting useles shit, and jake GTFO you fucking troll.

Quote from: Goose on 28-10-2010
Seeing as this is going no where, Negative zero stop posting useles shit, and jake GTFO you fucking troll.

Touche.
Yes, well, patrol the gate and the whole place, it's not so hard to go through the checkpoint and kill anybody on the way to the bar.
EDIT: And I'm damn sure you can make a bloodsucker alarm, like a can which pulls a bottle, which falls down and cracks, making a noise.

Freedom now = Military (http://www.forums.hypergamer.net/military/). This should be your new board.
Freedom before = cool cats.
You guys search people, like you are the most hated faction in the world. What happened with the cool cats who liked to talk, sit around campfire, while having one guy sit and watch over the horizon ?

Quote from: lolKieck on 12-11-2010
Freedom now = Military (http://www.forums.hypergamer.net/military/). This should be your new board.
Freedom before = cool cats.
You guys search people, like you are the most hated faction in the world. What happened with the cool cats who liked to talk, sit around campfire, while having one guy sit and watch over the horizon ?

Blame the stalkers who sold us out to military and the ones who shot us during a raid on duty twice? Not to mention everyone fails to see that we are at WAR. Freedom can't tell whos a duty spy and whos an innocent stalker. God forbid smart people check to be safe. The last thing we need is a stalker carrying in a bomb and planting it in our bar or somthing.

Quote from: Rebel6609 on 12-11-2010

Quote from: lolKieck on 12-11-2010
Freedom now = Military (http://www.forums.hypergamer.net/military/). This should be your new board.
Freedom before = cool cats.
You guys search people, like you are the most hated faction in the world. What happened with the cool cats who liked to talk, sit around campfire, while having one guy sit and watch over the horizon ?

Blame the stalkers who sold us out to military and the ones who shot us during a raid on duty twice? Not to mention everyone fails to see that we are at WAR. Freedom can't tell whos a duty spy and whos an innocent stalker. God forbid smart people check to be safe. The last thing we need is a stalker carrying in a bomb and planting it in our bar or somthing.

Make it clear that you'll shoot everybody who will get to restricted areas. /end

Because clearly the bar is a restricted area.

Quote from: Goose on 12-11-2010
Because clearly the bar is a restricted area.

Hmm, so how you'd get money ?
The bar 1st floor should be restricted.
Or 2nd floor, if you're living in Russia and think that the ground floor is 1st one.

Freedom and bandits should be neutral, like in the games. They are sort of bandits/criminals themselves.

Agree with predu.

Quote from: Predu on 06-12-2010
Freedom and bandits should be neutral, like in the games. They are sort of bandits/criminals themselves.

You should play clear sky. "Damn I thought it's an other bandit attack."

Quote from: Dug on 06-12-2010

Quote from: Predu on 06-12-2010
Freedom and bandits should be neutral, like in the games. They are sort of bandits/criminals themselves.

You should play clear sky. "Damn I thought it's an other bandit attack."

But at the same time when you either join bandits or freedom, you are neutral to each other. And the bandits don't raid freedom and vise versa. But yeah, the games make a lot of difference. In CoP bandits aren't bothered at all and are considered as normal stalkers. And in SoC they are pretty much the enemy of everyone.
This is why taking an example from the games is hard, they change from game to game and they keep changing, I can only wonder what it will be like in stalker 2. :S

Quote from: Predu on 06-12-2010

Quote from: Dug on 06-12-2010

Quote from: Predu on 06-12-2010
Freedom and bandits should be neutral, like in the games. They are sort of bandits/criminals themselves.

You should play clear sky. "Damn I thought it's an other bandit attack."

But at the same time when you either join bandits or freedom, you are neutral to each other. And the bandits don't raid freedom and vise versa. But yeah, the games make a lot of difference. In CoP bandits aren't bothered at all and are considered as normal stalkers. And in SoC they are pretty much the enemy of everyone.
This is why taking an example from the games is hard, they change from game to game and they keep changing, I can only wonder what it will be like in stalker 2. :S

I think you should leave that up to the faction leaders to decide how they act towards bandits.
I mean if bandits are doing something that's upseting freedom you can expect freedom not to like them.

I agree with Dug although like people have said before: "Neutral does not mean allied". Meaning Freedom would probably not be supplying bandits and would probably attack bandits robbing people in their territory. They just probably wouldn't be actively hunting them like Duty would.

It's a shame there are almost no Bandits, I can walka round with no fear of being robbed.... I tryed banditing on my loner once, but the sheer ammount of metagmaming and LOOC bitching it caused made me stop.

Quote from: Predu on 06-12-2010
But at the same time when you either join bandits or freedom, you are neutral to each other. And the bandits don't raid freedom and vise versa.

Freedom DOES raid Bandits in CS.

Maybe more bandits are needed? Or do Freedom and Bandits not communicate at all?

In CS i joined bandits,and when you join them not EVERY bandit is friendly to you..so maybe freedom raids another bandits?:D

There is only one group of bandits now..and they are barelly online

No one wants to bandit due to the huge amount of metagaming and DMing that occurs whenever a bandit group tries to get up and running. When HGN first switched to Nexusscript it was Freedom that was metagaming all the bandit groups, now it is Duty and Loners doing it. The amount of whining and bullshit bandits have to put up with makes it not any fun.

Quote from: knife_cz on 07-12-2010
In CS i joined bandits,and when you join them not EVERY bandit is friendly to you..so maybe freedom raids another bandits?:D

In CS there were bandits and renegades. Renegades hated everyone else.

Quote from: Khorn on 07-12-2010
In CS there were bandits and renegades. Renegades hated everyone else.

No, renegades were neutral towards bandits.

Doesn't mean they don't hate you. You can be neutral and still hate people.

Stopping both of you there, keep this on track we really don't care who the renegades hated or liked, so please keep this freedom related.

Quote from: Goose on 08-12-2010
Stopping both of you there, keep this on track we really don't care who the renegades hated or liked, so please keep this freedom related.

Good point.

Anyways, what's up with Freedom's activity?

Activity fluctuates, can't be active all the time and people need breaks. It will pick up again soon probably.

Personally I've had a lot of shit to do recently as well as i find its becoming a chore to come onto the server and listen to people bitch in OCC or LOOC about who's right and who's wrong, Or who's more bad-ass then others but i will try to be more active or as active as i can be.

I've been having trouble getting on due to having a coach that i'm somewhat sure literally wants to kill me. I can barely raise my arms high enough to type this.

What sport?

It's football, and we're doing the winter conditioning stuff. On top of that, i'm also taking two gym fitness classes. Basically, I do weight training and conditioning for an hour and a half during the school day, then after school i'm going back into it for another hour and a half. It's pretty brutal, but at this rate there's no way I won't be on varsity next year.

Football....I am disappoint.

You do know that exersizing too much does more harm then good for your muscles, right?

Quote from: N3gativezero on 10-12-2010
You do know that exersizing too much does more harm then good for your muscles, right?

:\ You're talking to someone who's been lifting weights for 3 years, mate. I know all dat shizzlenit. There's a difference between really hard and too much though, especially if you balance it out with light days and heavy days.

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You do know that exersizing too much does more harm then good for your muscles, right?

:\ You're talking to someone who's been lifting weights for 3 years, mate. I know all dat shizzlenit. There's a difference between really hard and too much though, especially if you balance it out with light days and heavy days.

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Okay... That's enough about that.... And turkey don't spam this thread.

I think freedom should be awarded a bulldog. They've been very active, and all the other factions are running around with exo's and PKms and bulldogs.. While freedom just has one exo.

Silver won't give them one because he has no concept of what "balance" means. Freedom could afford to buy one outright but Silver won't let them.

its annoying we cant get bulldog or pkm, yesterday we got in a fight against military and we all died because someone with a bulldog spammed it and killed everyone

That was Doom burger, Just so yea know, And yea not likely of us getting either, So maybe we should just give everyone skats,Exos, and Berills i dont see why not.

give all freedomers exos and FN's yeah !

I'd say giving everyone FN2000s, or at least G36s would balance things out slightly. It wouldn't even be that un-canon either. In SoC 9/10 Freedomers have a G36 or a SIG, all the others have an SVU.

Quote from: N3gativezero on 11-12-2010
I'd say giving everyone FN2000s, or at least G36s would balance things out slightly. It wouldn't even be that un-canon either. In SoC 9/10 Freedomers have a G36 or a SIG, all the others have an SVU.

"Superior NATO weapons balance out explosives." My ass, only the leaders even have them. Otherwise it's just a bunch of LRs.
It's true, Freedom is really bad equipment wise.

Please take note of the fact that I said SLIGHTLY. We'd still get creamed even if the entire faction had FNs or G36s.

And we need far more high grade suits going around.

If stalkers will help you defend the base, don't pay only 90 RU for that.

Well when they run infront of us reducing our effectiveness we aren't going to pay much, Especially if they act like fucking morons and get themselves killed.

Quote from: Goose on 12-12-2010
Well when they run infront of us reducing our effectiveness we aren't going to pay much, Especially if they act like fucking morons and get themselves killed.

It's still good to pay them at least for the ammo they wasted, and maybe extra if they got one stick carved into their AK.

True, But they do like to just chill in one spot and die about 90% of the time, 10% of the time we get a good one who will get a couple kills.

I'd suggest not allowing traders to trade at Freedom camp, as we already got a Freedom trader, AND realisticly, they won't just go in and start selling stuff there.

Quote from: Blackflunk on 17-12-2010
I'd suggest not allowing traders to trade at Freedom camp, as we already got a Freedom trader, AND realisticly, they won't just go in and start selling stuff there.

That's ridiculous. Unless you can get our trader on 24/7, no.

Yeah, and then we'd get raided even more, I think we should boot haven out of our old base, as We are in a horrible spot for defence, as all anyone has to do is get on that hill to Roflpwn anyone

Sounds like a plan.

The old base is crap, wut. Really hard to defend beacuse they can attack from all directions and its really small.

And that hill infront of our base is really crap to shoot from, you're really exposed and you're going to die if you stick your head up on that hill. I tried it myself when Monolith attacked our base, our current base can be defended quite well.

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I'd suggest not allowing traders to trade at Freedom camp, as we already got a Freedom trader, AND realisticly, they won't just go in and start selling stuff there.

That's ridiculous. Unless you can get our trader on 24/7, no.

Its not ridiculous, its basicly just realism. You see, why would Freedom let anyone just trade in the camp? And yes, maybe the trader is not active, then I'd vote for a new trader.

A new trader would be good, and they can take over the majority of trading done in Freedom base. But we shouldn't bar other traders from setting up, it brings people to Freedom.

If push comes to shove and we need a new trader, I suppose I could fit the bill. I'm active and my character has IC contacts, I also dont mind skipping out of fights, becuase they only lead to OOC bitchfests.

Who's the current trader?

We don't actualy have a trader. OBrian used to be our trader, but he was innactive as fuck and has been removed.

Oh so we don't even have a trader even better  ;D

I thought Cutch was your new trader?

I had this hole long post made up that somehow deleted  so here it is.Cucth is our trader if you are interested in the position ask him if he still wants it because he has been fairly inactive with respect to him working on FORP anyway ask him about it, but I garuntee that if you horde the Money then run off like all our other traders have done you -will- be pk'd so don't fucking do it and donate regularly so we can arm freedom.

Maybe I can come back to Freedom and take over Trader business.

Though, I'm not sure about how active I can be.

I've been noticing that for the most part, our equipment really, really, really sucks.
Let me lay out some examples.

Also, the Wind of Freedom's model sucks, the lower-end version that no one uses (15% protection) and actually uses the game's textures is much better. It'd be crazy awesome if they could get switched.

In the game (Let's go by SoC), there were only three Freedom ranks. Seedy, Wardog, and Ace.
Let's say Seedy is SRP's Rookies and Seedy guys. They used Wind of Freedoms, LR300s, and L85s. All good.
Now let's say Fighters are a mix of Seedy and Wardog, and Vets are Wardogs. Do you know what Wardogs used in the game? Guardian of Freedoms (Both variants), SiG550s, and G36s. Now something felt wrong when I saw Erin looking like a rookie. And G36s. We have... two of them, and the owners are Seth and Goose. Something's wrong. If you look back to the game, G36s really aren't all that rare. They make up about 20% of Freedom's weaponry, and all Aces (Wardog - Ace - Leader) used them.

Here's what I'm getting at:
Rookie - Seedy: Wind of Freedoms, possibly a Stalker version of the Guardian of Freedom for Seedy LRs and L85s.
Fighter: Both Guardian of Freedom variants, L85s, SiGs, possibly a G36.
Veteran: Both Guardian of Freedom variants, mostly Berills, SiGs, G36s.
Wardog - Ace: Berills, SKATs, Exo. G36s.

>Important<
You may hate me for going on about items so much, thinking that "this isn't a Stalker RPG, it's not about items."
Well whether you like or not, items do matter. If they didn't we'd just run around in leather jackets. It's still a big part of Roleplay, and keeping equipment to the canon is also good.

And before you call my a hypocrite for posting this when I'm the seedy with a Berill and SiG, eff you, I was a well-off stalker beforehand. And I'd be more than willing to give my Berill to a higher-up.




Now tell me your thoughts. Idea is gud or I'm a fool.

I personaly think it is a good idea, the only problem is the sheer cost of weapons in SRP. The NATO weapons are probably the most expencive. We start off with the L85 at around 2500 Rubles. Then, the price doubles, and we have the LR. The price jumps up 4k and we have the SIG. Finaly, the price doubles to 18K, and we have the G36 (from what I've been told, is worth every penny). High-end suits are also quite expencive, and though I dont know what our budget is like, I kind of doubt we'll be able to arm everyone with high-end suits and weaponry. If you'll recall is SoC, money was easy to come by. By the time you leave the Cordon, it's not uncommon (at least for me) to have 10K+, aswell as about 20K more worth of artifacts by the time you reach the bar. Needless to say, 18K for a G36 was nothing by the time they where availible in-game, high-end guns seemed to be a dime-a-dozen kind of thing. In SRP money is much, much, MUCH harder to come by, even with fat $300 paychecks.

First of all, those L85 prices are wrong. I only wish they were that cheap.

Also, we're the smallest major faction I believe, and the most inactive one as well.
Five people on the Roster are inactive/not supposed to be there. If we're small, we should at least be well equipped.

Sorry, thats what happens during the holidays, Us freedomers with family and friends that love us go inactive due to it, Ill get the others active ASAP, and as far as equipment I need cash, I can't simply asspull funds

and as for the G36 thing they are 20K a pop We can't exactly pump out 20K for ALL of our higher ranks, If we did we would have no money for suits. I'd rather have Everyone armed with at least some sort of gun and some sort of suit, rather then a ton of people floating around with g36's and no suit. Not to mention the exo we did buy costed 100Kish, the SKATS costed like 50K each so thats anouther 100K, the G36 costed 40K (Since we hace two) and Sigs cost 7.5K the L85s 7K Lr300 6K

The WoF "Duty" variant that everyone has is like 1250 for 5, the next suit up, is like 5K and then the one after that is 6K and then the Berill is like 18-19Kish

We have 2 Berills, 2Skats, an Exo, most people armed with Sig550's, LRs, or L85's and everyone eles with the 17% protection suits or better, We also have 2 G36's, I say we are somewhat well armed, I just need to hand the other Berill to someone.

Quote from: Tom on 27-12-2010
Sorry, thats what happens during the holidays, Us freedomers with family and friends that love us go inactive due to it, Ill get the others active ASAP, and as far as equipment I need cash, I can't simply asspull funds.

Har-har-har.
Again, I'll actually give my Berill to some higher up, but I'm saying that this should be more of a focus. Arming 5 members to the brim is worth more than one Exo. As for those inactive guys, I'm talking about the really inactive ones. Possibly left.

Anton/Ghost373,
That other Serhiy,
Midnight,
Red Khezu,
and good ol' nargotah.

Here's some stats of members (active, though I'm not 100% sure on Duty and Mili)
Military: 26
Duty: 16
Freedom: 11

Quote from: Tom on 27-12-2010
and as for the G36 thing they are 20K a pop We can't exactly pump out 20K for ALL of our higher ranks.

Depends... We're also the only Faction that doesn't paycheck whore to a certain extent.

So heres the root of our problem:

1. People are innactive as fuck.

2. Not enugh money.

A possible for solution for #1 could be creating more events, that way people would go more often, so they could participate in fun events. This would also partialy solve problem #2. If people are on, they generate paychecks, paychecks means more money, more money means better gear, thus, the whole thing is solved.

Well Military apps are now closed so now we won't have every single new player going "Holy shit Mili is powerful  and awesome and has GUNZ!"

We may recieve more people, and as for the event thing want to offer suggestions as to what kind of freedom events?

One example could be a squad gone on patrol hasn't come back. after looking around for a while, the participants will come across a few Freedom corpses AKA ragdolls, after giving them a few seconds to look around, the participants get ambushed by a bloodsucker, or several, depending on the number of participants.

They dont even neccecarily have to be big organised events, even something as little as a couple Monolith snipers on the roofs could help get people on, and keep them on, as theres nothing more boring than going on to play a game, knowing that you're going to be guarding a gate for an hour or so before you finaly leave out of boredom.
Things like STK fights (If they're well organised) also keep people on, because they're fun for both sides. I recall the fight with the military, which started out as a 2 VS 2, but before long, became an 8 VS 8 as the word spread thrugh SF. People enjoy shooting the shit out of other people, and it certainly got both factions active for the rest of the day. Also, I recall Military and Duty doing STK fights among themselfs with "rubber bullets". Other factions don't neccesarily have to be active for an STK event to happen.
In short, I think events occuring more often, and more STK fights could help keep people active.

Quote from: Tom on 27-12-2010
Well Military apps are now closed so now we won't have every single new player going "Holy shit Mili is powerful  and awesome and has GUNZ!"

We may recieve more people, and as for the event thing want to offer suggestions as to what kind of freedom events?

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Lol, nice Turkey xD

Quote from: N3gativezero on 27-12-2010
So heres the root of our problem:

1. People are innactive as fuck.

2. Not enugh money.

A possible for solution for #1 could be creating more events, that way people would go more often, so they could participate in fun events. This would also partialy solve problem #2. If people are on, they generate paychecks, paychecks means more money, more money means better gear, thus, the whole thing is solved.

You know if we had an active faction trader there'd be income from selling stuff to Stalkers.

Quote from: Yorty on 28-12-2010

Quote from: N3gativezero on 27-12-2010
So heres the root of our problem:

1. People are innactive as fuck.

2. Not enugh money.

A possible for solution for #1 could be creating more events, that way people would go more often, so they could participate in fun events. This would also partialy solve problem #2. If people are on, they generate paychecks, paychecks means more money, more money means better gear, thus, the whole thing is solved.

You know if we had an active faction trader there'd be income from selling stuff to Stalkers.

Faction traders don't sell stuff to STALKERs, at least they aren't supposed to. If other factions have been doing that they need to stop.

SoC says something else about faction traders.

I don't see any real harm in faction traders selling to Loners. About the worst they could do is sell them a faction suit, which they arent allowed to do anyways.

The prices are different for faction traders than for normal traders in order to allow factions to sell stuff to their own members for cheaper than doing so from a normal trader. That is why they aren't supposed to sell to loners because they would have an unfair advantage in prices (Ie Freedom trader can sell LRs for a lot less than a normal trader could).

At least that is how it worked on the old system, I am not entirely sure what the faction traders price lists look like but if the values someone said above for the LR and L85 are true then those are indeed much lower than what a normal trader can offer.

An L85 costs (Censored) in the faction trader menu, and an LR costs (Censored). So I think faction traders, and normal traders have the same prices.

EDIT: I was wrong.

You sure Paint?

EDIT: Either it did in fact change or I was thinking of a different gun. Never mind.

I have come to the conclusion that Freedom isn't dead. We have members, people come on, shit happens, etc.

But the leaders are.

its been a time since i saw the leaders on the server.

In all honesty Tasker took over my position while i take a L.O.A to figure out if im done with SRP or not, Mostly because of my basic training for the military now i am probably not comming back but we will see what happens, anywhom it's not my job right now to make sure you lot remaine active it's taskers i've spent the better part of a year + here and honestly am just flat out bored of it, and i have no intentions of trying out crussaria and have not fucking idea whats going on with fallout so for now i will only be on fourms TS and steam if you want to or absofuckinglutly need to talk to me.

Well Tasker is "Bored of SRP" as well, so yeah, we're dead.

I has a complaint, I am tired of the confusion between freedom hunting bandits, and liking them. Because in the STALKER game, Bandits didn't care about freedom, Freedom didn't care about bandits.

Well, in CS both factions fought/fight eachother, and sitting around doing nothing while people get robbed blind doesn't make much sence.
On the note of innactivity among our leaders, perhaps that means a change in leadership is in order? I'd gladly take over for leader, or Ace if Tom and Goose are both bored of SRP. I've been practicaly leading the faction for the last two weeks or so.

Quote from: N3gativezero on 17-01-2011
I've been practicaly leading the faction for the last two weeks or so.

You wish, mang.
But yeah, all three of our leaders (Tom, Goose, and Tasker) have either quit, are inactive, or left for Crussaria. Cough.

Seeing as you and Negative pretty much make up the entirety of Freedom right now lul, I'd say one of you could take over temp leadership or something, unless Tom has a different idea.

Military infiltration: I think your all just stuck changing your diapers. In all seriousness though, I agree the Freedom leadership has vanished from the Zone and the faction seems to be decaying. Having had a character in the Freedom ranks (for a whole week lol) I agree that a temp leadership be proposed until further notice. Cant very well have you bozo's die out on all of us now can we. With No-Homo love, Deity.

L85 should be removed from Medic's loadout. I'm not sure that a Medic would want to run with extra 4 kg rather than with 3 kg. Also, change the L8 to L85.

Tweeked the specialisation kits slightly and clarified things a little. The specialistation system is still new, so if anyone has any suggestions on how I could improve it further, I'm open.

My suggestions is simple

Instead of being like this.
Sad Violin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIuotFZnBtk#)

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Why doesn't freedom act more like this?

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If you get my message..

Our current active population is 6-7, and 2 of us are captured. We have other things to work on.

It's kind of hard to make people happy-go-lucky when they're part of the most incompetent faction on SRP and they know it.

Quote from: N3gativezero on 27-01-2011
It's kind of hard to make people happy-go-lucky when they're part of the most incompetent faction on SRP and they know it.

It's truly not that hard. Maybe if you guys stopped hunting bandits. Started treating stalkers like brothers, and checked who you let into your base. Things would change..
I dunno just a suggestion, Don't take it personally.

Quote from: Turkey on 27-01-2011

Quote from: N3gativezero on 27-01-2011
It's kind of hard to make people happy-go-lucky when they're part of the most incompetent faction on SRP and they know it.

It's truly not that hard. Maybe if you guys stopped hunting bandits. Started treating stalkers like brothers, and checked who you let into your base. Things would change..
I dunno just a suggestion, Don't take it personally.

It truely is that hard when you're captured and as a result, can't lead your faction.

Quote from: N3gativezero on 27-01-2011

Quote from: Turkey on 27-01-2011

Quote from: N3gativezero on 27-01-2011
It's kind of hard to make people happy-go-lucky when they're part of the most incompetent faction on SRP and they know it.

It's truly not that hard. Maybe if you guys stopped hunting bandits. Started treating stalkers like brothers, and checked who you let into your base. Things would change..
I dunno just a suggestion, Don't take it personally.

It truely is that hard when you're captured and as a result, can't lead your faction.

How could you be captured? A smart leader doesn't leave the base. lol

Quote from: Turkey on 27-01-2011

Quote from: N3gativezero on 27-01-2011

Quote from: Turkey on 27-01-2011

Quote from: N3gativezero on 27-01-2011
It's kind of hard to make people happy-go-lucky when they're part of the most incompetent faction on SRP and they know it.

It's truly not that hard. Maybe if you guys stopped hunting bandits. Started treating stalkers like brothers, and checked who you let into your base. Things would change..
I dunno just a suggestion, Don't take it personally.

It truely is that hard when you're captured and as a result, can't lead your faction.

How could you be captured? A smart leader doesn't leave the base. lol

A smart leader left the base and made a peace-treaty with Duty. But then the Miltiary abushed said leader, now he can't do diddly shit.

Quote from: N3gativezero on 27-01-2011

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Quote from: Turkey on 27-01-2011

Quote from: N3gativezero on 27-01-2011
It's kind of hard to make people happy-go-lucky when they're part of the most incompetent faction on SRP and they know it.

It's truly not that hard. Maybe if you guys stopped hunting bandits. Started treating stalkers like brothers, and checked who you let into your base. Things would change..
I dunno just a suggestion, Don't take it personally.

It truely is that hard when you're captured and as a result, can't lead your faction.

How could you be captured? A smart leader doesn't leave the base. lol

A smart leader left the base and made a peace-treaty with Duty. But then the Miltiary abushed said leader, now he can't do diddly shit.

That blows dude.
This is where those donations come in handy. "Hai mili, 10k, leave me lone pls!"
All I am saying is, When you do get back into a working shape, Don't sit around on roof's, crying and talking about life, Instead party hard? eh?

crying and talking about life

give an example m8

How about this.

No drama shit.
No party hard.


And get this...


Be Freedom. Fight for Stalkers, fend the zone off from Duty and others wishing to cut the Zone off.
Be aggressive and take a stand. Keep a foot in the door and keep pushing yourself.


SRP shouldn't have a single major faction that only exists to smoke and drink. If you want a faction like that, make a new PBG. Freedom shouldn't be based solely on being the easy life.


Also, the quote at the top of Freedom should be changed from

QuoteThe easy life, Booze, Weed and a brother to watch your back.

To something that doesn't make Freedom seem like highschool potheads.

Quote from: Khorn on 27-01-2011
How about this.

No drama shit.
No party hard.


And get this...


Be Freedom. Fight for Stalkers, fend the zone off from Duty and others wishing to cut the Zone off.
Be aggressive and take a stand. Keep a foot in the door and keep pushing yourself.


SRP shouldn't have a single major faction that only exists to smoke and drink. If you want a faction like that, make a new PBG. Freedom shouldn't be based solely on being the easy life.


Also, the quote at the top of Freedom should be changed from

QuoteThe easy life, Booze, Weed and a brother to watch your back.

To something that doesn't make Freedom seem like highschool potheads.

We can't. Apparently for even firing at the Military out Leader HAS to be captured as revenge. We're small, and the Military makes it their job for crushing us for even touching them. Freedom was a formidable faction in the game, and the Military was a bunch of grunts with AK74s. Of course its understandable to twist gear around, but the Military was far from an unstoppable doomforce. The Ukrainian Military isn't all that strong, in real life as well. Yet look where we are?

Freedom did make a stand once. They fought for Stalker's and the Military and Duty drove their faces into the ground with a curb stomp. We dont -have- to be easy on this faction. We dont -have- to let you get back on your feet. We're doing it so you guys can stand back up, wipe off the blood and dust and decide what your going to do next. If you dont like the Military or Duty kicking your balls into your throats then figure out a way to do something about it. Military is armed to the teeth because we worked to be that way. Duty is armed to the teeth because they worked to be that way. Freedom use to be armed to the teeth because they worked to be that way. Up to you to do whats in your factions best interest. Duty and Mili are still here, they are not going anywhere, and we are not backing down any further, you picked to join the war, now you need to face the reality of that.

Sad Violin Song + All your posts = Me sheeding a tear,

Obviously we just have to try harder, and act more like the Freedom in Stalker?

Mrtasker already tried that, he didn't succeed.

Every leader has tried.

Celtic needs to lead Freedom.

Maybe it's not the leader but the followers.


People may join thinking this faction is the easiest to run since its about smoking weed and drinking.

The fact is, it's not about smoking weed and drinking.

Anarchists and daredevils who declare themselves to be fighting for free access to the Zone
These freedom fighters believe that information about the Zone must not be hidden from humanity, and challenge the state's monopoly over the Zone's secrets and wonders.

I don't even know why is drinking and druging your self to lala land even a part of freedom.
Because in freedom base a guy tells you "Come back later! We should roll a joint together!". Is that it?
Well if you all think that way, consider your faction helpless.

The current mindset needs to change.
You guys are fighting for this:
Anarchists and daredevils who declare themselves to be fighting for free access to the Zone
These freedom fighters believe that information about the Zone must not be hidden from humanity, and challenge the state's monopoly over the Zone's secrets and wonders.

You aren't fighting over who will smoke more weed nor drink more alcohol.

EDIT: And it certainly isn't about who is the bigger badass.

Quote from: Dug on 28-01-2011
The fact is, it's not about smoking weed and drinking.

Anarchists and daredevils who declare themselves to be fighting for free access to the Zone
These freedom fighters believe that information about the Zone must not be hidden from humanity, and challenge the state's monopoly over the Zone's secrets and wonders.

I don't even know why is drinking and druging your self to lala land even a part of freedom.
Because in freedom base a guy tells you "Come back later! We should roll a joint together!". Is that it?
Well if you all think that way, consider your faction helpless.

The current mindset needs to change.
You guys are fighting for this:
Anarchists and daredevils who declare themselves to be fighting for free access to the Zone
These freedom fighters believe that information about the Zone must not be hidden from humanity, and challenge the state's monopoly over the Zone's secrets and wonders.

You aren't fighting over who will smoke more weed nor drink more alcohol.

EDIT: And it certainly isn't about who is the bigger badass.

1. Dug you are not the Freedom Leader so you have no say in how the faction is run.
2. As far as I know you've never had a Freedomer so your analysis of all we do is "smoke weed and drink" is horribly mistaken. In fact my character is probably the only drug user in Freedom that I know of, this is because of his drug-related history IC. Most Freedomers that I know of don't even use drugs, perhaps rarely smoke pot, or drink. What YOU don't seem to get through your thick skull is that Freedom isn't like DUTY or Military, its not a "LOLCOD LETS SHOOT PPLZ" faction. Freedom is much more about Passive, which is why I believe it to be better as it increases much more in-depth character development. So you say we need to learn "tactics" and how to "shoot" better by "training", well we don't. We can be the source of role-play for the server while you can continue to be the source of e-drama and shooting. Now stop making useless threads/posts proclaiming we need new leaders when you yourself know absolutely nothing about Freedom. You may lead DUTY and be a server admin but that in no way qualifies you to determine whom should lead another faction, especially one that you clearly know so little about.

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Quote from: Dug on 28-01-2011
The fact is, it's not about smoking weed and drinking.

Anarchists and daredevils who declare themselves to be fighting for free access to the Zone
These freedom fighters believe that information about the Zone must not be hidden from humanity, and challenge the state's monopoly over the Zone's secrets and wonders.

I don't even know why is drinking and druging your self to lala land even a part of freedom.
Because in freedom base a guy tells you "Come back later! We should roll a joint together!". Is that it?
Well if you all think that way, consider your faction helpless.

The current mindset needs to change.
You guys are fighting for this:
Anarchists and daredevils who declare themselves to be fighting for free access to the Zone
These freedom fighters believe that information about the Zone must not be hidden from humanity, and challenge the state's monopoly over the Zone's secrets and wonders.

You aren't fighting over who will smoke more weed nor drink more alcohol.

EDIT: And it certainly isn't about who is the bigger badass.

1. Dug you are not the Freedom Leader so you have no say in how the faction is run.
2. As far as I know you've never had a Freedomer so your analysis of all we do is "smoke weed and drink" is horribly mistaken. In fact my character is probably the only drug user in Freedom that I know of, this is because of his drug-related history IC. Most Freedomers that I know of don't even use drugs, perhaps rarely smoke pot, or drink. What YOU don't seem to get through your thick skull is that Freedom isn't like DUTY or Military, its not a "LOLCOD LETS SHOOT PPLZ" faction. Freedom is much more about Passive, which is why I believe it to be better as it increases much more in-depth character development. So you say we need to learn "tactics" and how to "shoot" better by "training", well we don't. We can be the source of role-play for the server while you can continue to be the source of e-drama and shooting. Now stop making useless threads/posts proclaiming we need new leaders when you yourself know absolutely nothing about Freedom. You may lead DUTY and be a server admin but that in no way qualifies you to determine whom should lead another faction, especially one that you clearly know so little about.

Only one phrase must be used here:
-NO U.
Dug had Freedomer, and lol at your first post, isn't the suggestion post for suggesting and discussing ? You are not in USSR in Stalin's time. Here we can discuss what we want other than something REALLY not on-topic. And he was a Freedomer before you, so ktybb.
EDIT: On a side note, Dug here is longer in HGN than you, so it'd be very possible he was in every faction here.
EDIT NO. 2: Though going "Celtic must be the leader" is not fair for Negative. Give him some time, we gotta see if Freedom is gonna live again.

Quote from: OBrian on 28-01-2011

Quote from: Dug on 28-01-2011
The fact is, it's not about smoking weed and drinking.

Anarchists and daredevils who declare themselves to be fighting for free access to the Zone
These freedom fighters believe that information about the Zone must not be hidden from humanity, and challenge the state's monopoly over the Zone's secrets and wonders.

I don't even know why is drinking and druging your self to lala land even a part of freedom.
Because in freedom base a guy tells you "Come back later! We should roll a joint together!". Is that it?
Well if you all think that way, consider your faction helpless.

The current mindset needs to change.
You guys are fighting for this:
Anarchists and daredevils who declare themselves to be fighting for free access to the Zone
These freedom fighters believe that information about the Zone must not be hidden from humanity, and challenge the state's monopoly over the Zone's secrets and wonders.

You aren't fighting over who will smoke more weed nor drink more alcohol.

EDIT: And it certainly isn't about who is the bigger badass.

1. Dug you are not the Freedom Leader so you have no say in how the faction is run.
2. As far as I know you've never had a Freedomer so your analysis of all we do is "smoke weed and drink" is horribly mistaken. In fact my character is probably the only drug user in Freedom that I know of, this is because of his drug-related history IC. Most Freedomers that I know of don't even use drugs, perhaps rarely smoke pot, or drink. What YOU don't seem to get through your thick skull is that Freedom isn't like DUTY or Military, its not a "LOLCOD LETS SHOOT PPLZ" faction. Freedom is much more about Passive, which is why I believe it to be better as it increases much more in-depth character development. So you say we need to learn "tactics" and how to "shoot" better by "training", well we don't. We can be the source of role-play for the server while you can continue to be the source of e-drama and shooting. Now stop making useless threads/posts proclaiming we need new leaders when you yourself know absolutely nothing about Freedom. You may lead DUTY and be a server admin but that in no way qualifies you to determine whom should lead another faction, especially one that you clearly know so little about.

Lol you just failed hard. I had freedomers. I actually enjoyed the faction until the last wave of new freedomers came and so I left. Last time I was there people were competing who was a bigger badass.
Which made me ultimately leave it.
Get off your high horse please, this is a suggestion thread not a thread where you can insult me as much as you want.
I don't start E-drama, I reply when offended.
Tl;dr can't be bothered with your attitude.
It's the military who rapes you all the time. 90% of duty time is spent in their own sector, training, passiving, telling stories, guarding territory etc. Don't know if your leaders tell you anything but we made a ceasefire.

It really doesn't matter what it was like and why you left, because that's not Freedom as it is now.

"Last time I was there people were competing who was a bigger badass."
"You aren't fighting over who will smoke more weed nor drink more alcohol."

No, that's not us. At the moment, we really don't do anything at all, being near dead and such.
So we get it, Freedom's weak.  And any of this helps how?

Well, here's what Duty does.
We get all the members we have, get them on, collect a lot of cash.
If it stays that way, 10k every day.

That's tip number one.

Tip number two is. I watched you do attacks.
You don't complain about your enemy abusing not to mention making rediciolus defenses.
If you see something wrong, then fucking report it.
Not to mention, your tactical and strategical way of doing things could improve.

Latest military attack , that was horrible.
Most of you just went rambo where you shouldn't have.
More situational awareness would help you out. More planing, more tactics.
Participating in profitable events is an other good idea (those are rare these days unfortunetly, but I get around doing some of them when I can).

If you see you can't win, then retreat, what's the point in wasting valueable ammo.

Lets face it , most mercs work for the military because they are swiming in cash. However there are other mercenaries willing to accept contracts or perhaps stalkers. You should develop your relations with stalker and mercenary groups if you can. It never hurts to have an ally.

To respond to Kiecks post, I ain't got nothing against Negative. I remember freedom in it's gold age when Celtic was around. That's all I'm trying to say. Hopefully Negative can bring that back.

Well, here's what Duty does.
We get all the members we have, get them on, collect a lot of cash.
If it stays that way, 10k every day.
Top priority: Get active members. We already know that, not that simple.


Tip number two is. I watched you do attacks.
You don't complain about your enemy abusing not to mention making rediciolus defenses.
If you see something wrong, then fucking report it.
Not to mention, your tactical and strategical way of doing things could improve.
]Not my problem. I tried, I failed. I'm trying to deal with all the specialists, but that's two people inlcuding me. Back to problem number one.

Latest military attack , that was horrible.
Most of you just went rambo where you shouldn't have.
More situational awareness would help you out. More planing, more tactics.
Participating in profitable events is an other good idea (those are rare these days unfortunetly, but I get around doing some of them when I can).
Same as before. Also, wasn't my idea to go rambo. *Cough cough*

If you see you can't win, then retreat, what's the point in wasting valueable ammo.
I lived, I retreated. Now it's hard to get things like this in everyone's head when we have no one to do so. Problem number one.

Lets face it , most mercs work for the military because they are swiming in cash. However there are other mercenaries willing to accept contracts or perhaps stalkers. You should develop your relations with stalker and mercenary groups if you can. It never hurts to have an ally.
We have (had?) a few allies. They're never on. Hard to make more allies when you don't even have an leadership. Problem number one.

I think you have the men and the leadership you just need to do it.

Be strict, enforce your own rules.
Organize it more strictly with weekly chats where everyone can suggest what they want.
I mean that what Duty did until it took off.

It's not just about the leader, or just about the members.
It's about you overall working as a team.

Quote from: Dug on 28-01-2011
I think you have the men and the leadership you just need to do it.

Negative's captured. We only have MrTasker, who's bored of SRP as it is.
Have the men?
We have about 3-4 people who come on every day, and everybody else is inactive.
Pruney, never came on. Duran, never came on. RezziK, inactive and I believe leaving. Bran Flakes and MrSmiley? Inactive. Yeah...
No we don't.

Quote from: Yorty on 28-01-2011

Quote from: Dug on 28-01-2011
I think you have the men and the leadership you just need to do it.

Negative's captured. We only have MrTasker, who's bored of SRP as it is.
Have the men?
We have about 3-4 people who come on every day, and everybody else is inactive.
Pruney, never came on. Duran, never came on. RezziK, inactive and I believe leaving. Bran Flakes and MrSmiley? Inactive. Yeah...
No we don't.

I haven't been on because I COULDN'T get on. If the constant join/disconnects that would happen for five minutes didn't get that through. I just recently fixed my problem.

I started off with four guys? Rest of the faction was inactive, I had no cash but still held back Freedom attacks. I didn't get shit from Nitro and managed to do it. I think you can too.
Negative being captured that's toff luck. You need to do something about it.

A Lot of our members CAN'T get on cause the fucking map is so incredibly "Crash" prone.

Saying "Well do something about it" Doesn't say shit. unless you have something useful to say STOP POSTING and SF that sort of shit.

Quote from: Dug on 28-01-2011
I started off with four guys? Rest of the faction was inactive, I had no cash but still held back Freedom attacks. I didn't get shit from Nitro and managed to do it. I think you can too.
Negative being captured that's toff luck. You need to do something about it.

They tried, I would imagine that is what their attack on mili was about. Kind of hard when the guy's captured by a faction with 8 times Freedom's members and 100 times Freedom's GDP.

Celtic doesn't want to lead Freedom, it's not that Freedom hasn't given the option to him, it's that he doesn't want to do it He doesn't play SRP much as it is and having to deal with the constant shit Freedom always has to will not help that cause at all.

Here's a thought. Round up your guys, round up some well equiped stalkers and mercs you can trust. Pay them. Attack.

They did but Mili threw up 391283 defences and hired every merc within a 38129038 mile radius.

Not saying they shouldn't do neither but from what I heard they did it RIGHT before the fight.

Quote from: Tom on 28-01-2011
They did but Mili threw up 391283 defences and hired every merc within a 38129038 mile radius.

Now that shouldn't happen and should be prevented from asspulling defenses in matter of five seconds.
Ah hell I don't have words for this anymore.

Realise that I've been doing everything I can do adress and fix these problems, but I can't do shit about anything now that the milifags have me captured. When I eventualy do get freed (although a PK seems more likely knowing Doom) I'll resume doing everything I can.

Doom will not be allowed to PK you, not as long as I am SR.

Quote from: Tom on 28-01-2011
Doom will not be allowed to PK you, not as long as I am SR.

Hoora

Quote from: Dug on 28-01-2011

Quote from: OBrian on 28-01-2011

Quote from: Dug on 28-01-2011
The fact is, it's not about smoking weed and drinking.

Anarchists and daredevils who declare themselves to be fighting for free access to the Zone
These freedom fighters believe that information about the Zone must not be hidden from humanity, and challenge the state's monopoly over the Zone's secrets and wonders.

I don't even know why is drinking and druging your self to lala land even a part of freedom.
Because in freedom base a guy tells you "Come back later! We should roll a joint together!". Is that it?
Well if you all think that way, consider your faction helpless.

The current mindset needs to change.
You guys are fighting for this:
Anarchists and daredevils who declare themselves to be fighting for free access to the Zone
These freedom fighters believe that information about the Zone must not be hidden from humanity, and challenge the state's monopoly over the Zone's secrets and wonders.

You aren't fighting over who will smoke more weed nor drink more alcohol.

EDIT: And it certainly isn't about who is the bigger badass.

1. Dug you are not the Freedom Leader so you have no say in how the faction is run.
2. As far as I know you've never had a Freedomer so your analysis of all we do is "smoke weed and drink" is horribly mistaken. In fact my character is probably the only drug user in Freedom that I know of, this is because of his drug-related history IC. Most Freedomers that I know of don't even use drugs, perhaps rarely smoke pot, or drink. What YOU don't seem to get through your thick skull is that Freedom isn't like DUTY or Military, its not a "LOLCOD LETS SHOOT PPLZ" faction. Freedom is much more about Passive, which is why I believe it to be better as it increases much more in-depth character development. So you say we need to learn "tactics" and how to "shoot" better by "training", well we don't. We can be the source of role-play for the server while you can continue to be the source of e-drama and shooting. Now stop making useless threads/posts proclaiming we need new leaders when you yourself know absolutely nothing about Freedom. You may lead DUTY and be a server admin but that in no way qualifies you to determine whom should lead another faction, especially one that you clearly know so little about.

Lol you just failed hard. I had freedomers. I actually enjoyed the faction until the last wave of new freedomers came and so I left. Last time I was there people were competing who was a bigger badass.
Which made me ultimately leave it.
Get off your high horse please, this is a suggestion thread not a thread where you can insult me as much as you want.
I don't start E-drama, I reply when offended.
Tl;dr can't be bothered with your attitude.
It's the military who rapes you all the time. 90% of duty time is spent in their own sector, training, passiving, telling stories, guarding territory etc. Don't know if your leaders tell you anything but we made a ceasefire.

I didn't fail hard at all, I've had 3 Freedom characters, under Tasker, Negative, Celtic and Tom. You've been in HGN 2 months longer then me, want a fucking cookie? Furthermore you start more e-drama then anyone I know. Simply by posting "Celtic should be leader again" could be taken as offensive and demeaning to the current leadership. Now unless you have anything constructive to say instead of ranting and stroking your e-penis about how you "made DUTY great from the shit Nitro left you" then gtfo.

You talk about in every one of your posts how you're making "suggestions" all you've "suggested" is that we conform to what the fuck you think should be done. Which is whatever you're doing with DUTY. Clearly my last post went right past you. Freedom = DUTY is false. That equation does not compute. Each post you've made is about how you "made DUTY from 4 active players and no money and no help from Nitro". I don't give a flying fuck what you did with DUTY, go stroke your fucking e-penis on another thread and YOU get off your high horse.

Quote from: Tom on 28-01-2011
Doom will not be allowed to PK you, not as long as I am SR.

Not much of my business, but what's the specific reason for him to NOT do it ? Hell, you have a guy who keeps Freedom organized, a criminal and a terrorist. Dunno you but those people get killed without thinking twice.


But anyway back on topic, I rember when Freedom was active, so were the other factions.. well excluding Duty. Mili and Freedom didn't fought so much because Doom and Tasker had some sort of ceasefire.
Most of the tiem I spent with Freedom was in passive RP, which I enjoyed. the only problem back then were the constants attack from super guys but hey, it was good.
So from what I'm seeing here that the main problem is getting attacked by other factions, well you could simply agree with them to cut it for awhile ? They are humans afterall.

Stay on topic, for the love of god.

Why does every topic in HGN have to dissolve into pointless flaming and wagging E-dicks. Grow up.

Quote from: Aresty on 29-01-2011

Not much of my business, but what's the specific reason for him to NOT do it ? Hell, you have a guy who keeps Freedom organized, a criminal and a terrorist. Dunno you but those people get killed without thinking twice.

wat

Quote from: Aresty on 29-01-2011

Quote from: Tom on 28-01-2011
Doom will not be allowed to PK you, not as long as I am SR.

Not much of my business, but what's the specific reason for him to NOT do it ? Hell, you have a guy who keeps Freedom organized, a criminal and a terrorist. Dunno you but those people get killed without thinking twice.


But anyway back on topic, I rember when Freedom was active, so were the other factions.. well excluding Duty. Mili and Freedom didn't fought so much because Doom and Tasker had some sort of ceasefire.
Most of the tiem I spent with Freedom was in passive RP, which I enjoyed. the only problem back then were the constants attack from super guys but hey, it was good.
So from what I'm seeing here that the main problem is getting attacked by other factions, well you could simply agree with them to cut it for awhile ? They are humans afterall.

Because if you think about ti for OOC reasons for a second you will realize that it is a horribly retarded idea. For the past week people have been whining about Freedom being inactive and not fighting and now you think it's a good idea to CK one of the only Freedomers left? Jesus christ no wonder this server is so unplayable. Think beyond your own faction when you do shit like that. Will save everyone else a lot of agony and arguing later.

People say Freedom is inactive but it isn't anymore. They are all mostly americans and I'm pretty sure it's europeans saying they are inactive because they don't see them on during their playtime.

However I went further from that stereotype and thought ahead of my faction, hence why I gave suggestions and my trader sticks around Freedom base, I already made an event in which I payed them, probably will make more to help them out. Not to mention the ceasefire I made.

Here's a suggestion to Freedom officers/leaders/soldiers.
When fighting in STK, do not expose your self so much otherwise you are dead meat.
Try not to fight where you will obviously lose. Example: A corner behind which already one of your mates died and that area is heavily fortified.
It's obvious you can't get trough that and need other ways of doing things.
Listening to someone with tactical knowledge of some sort is always good.
Working as a team to destroy your enemy utterly will help you all out a great deal.
If you want, we can have Duty vs Freedom practice fights. STK GR, and certainly no "LOL U GUYZ SUCK".

EDIT: Also when defending it's best to find chokepoints in your own base, where you can lure the enemy and kill them all without losing anything. Pure example are tunnels. Small corridors, dead ends which enemy is not aware off. Sure you might lose one man but it will end up with your victory. It is better to wait for the enemy to come to your ambush, rather than going rambo.

EDIT 2: Getting on top of something just makes you a target, pure example is your building. If someone is up there during an STK fight, first of all he is pinned, second of all he will probably be the first guy to get killed.

Quote from: DugEDIT 2: Getting on top of something just makes you a target, pure example is your building. If someone is up there during an STK fight, first of all he is pinned, second of all he will probably be the first guy to get killed.

Yep, the only thing that the building gives is the possibility of spotting the enemy before they'll attack you. So you should always run down from the building when fighting starts.

Update your roster.

I love Freedom! Everyone is so morose in this thread. I will be nice and say that it is awesome.

Suggestion: Spend five minutes a day meditating or something, and when you get good enough at that, do that when something is going on instead of throwing water towers at eachother. Our member problem isn't going to be fixed if they keep seeing us doing stupid shit.

Members are no longer a real problem. We consitantly had 5-6+ people on the server the whole day, even doubling Duty's population at one point on the server. I'm also trying to enforce dicipline a little more, although its hard to find the medium between drill-sergent-wanna-be, and being too lax.

Quote from: N3gativezero on 05-02-2011
Members are no longer a real problem. We consitantly had 5-6+ people on the server the whole day, even doubling Duty's population at one point on the server. I'm also trying to enforce dicipline a little more, although its hard to find the medium between drill-sergent-wanna-be, and being too lax.

I think that it is simple group mentality. One person starts having less chromosomes, and then soon, almost everyone does. It turns into OOC arguments, and I am forced to stare at a wall while I wait out the storm.

I have to agree, the discipline of Freedom is pretty sub-par. IC and OOC.

Quote from: MrSmiley on 06-02-2011
I have to agree, the discipline of Freedom is pretty sub-par. IC and OOC.

Like what just happened with Vasilli/Spartans in the abandoned outpost, cough.

Quote from: Yorty on 06-02-2011

Quote from: MrSmiley on 06-02-2011
I have to agree, the discipline of Freedom is pretty sub-par. IC and OOC.

Like what just happened with Vasilli/Spartans in the abandoned outpost, cough.

It takes a small man to look at others before looking at yourself. Before blaming other people, first ask yourself if you are at fault.

Quote from: eroticduck on 06-02-2011

Quote from: Yorty on 06-02-2011

Quote from: MrSmiley on 06-02-2011
I have to agree, the discipline of Freedom is pretty sub-par. IC and OOC.

Like what just happened with Vasilli/Spartans in the abandoned outpost, cough.

It takes a small man to look at others before looking at yourself. Before blaming other people, first ask yourself if you are at fault.

Easily done, I wasn't at fault. (This time, hoh.)

One thing I've noticed is that people would rather run and gun than roleplay. In every engagement I've been in with Freedom, there are people running around everywhere trying to shoot the baddies like it's an FPS. Then when they get shot, they bitch and moan in OOC before half-assing some injury RP that only lasts about five minutes.

If we were to cut down on running and gunning and actually use roleplay and tactics, we wouldn't seem so much like an incompetent brigade of minges. I realize this faction isn't a military faction, but certain elements of military life would have to be borrowed and emulated in order for Freedom to stand a chance against its foes. I think a stronger sense of leadership, more communication via radio, less running and gunning and maybe a simplified form of military bearing would bring some good to Freedom.

Indeed. Freedom needs to act like a guerrilla army unit that is sort of laxed.

Our member level has increased dramatically, may I suggest that we either re-instate squads or that a new system be worked on?

Quote from: Tom on 06-02-2011
Indeed. Freedom needs to act like a guerrilla army unit that is sort of laxed.

Key word is "sort". That means disciplined, and not dumbfaces who are dumb and have faces.

I can transform you into a Military unit. But we dont want that. However, as stated above, we can take some 'tools' of a military and put them into a "relaxed" use in Freedom. (Reiteration of Tom/Gnome/and Yorty) The squad idea was always something that gave Freedom a good organization in my eyes when I was with Mili, and the new Alpha and Bravo teams in the Military roster are sort of a bastard child offshoot, not entirely what I had planned on, but what seems to be working for them at the time being. The major issue is the LOOC. A lot of Freedom listens when theyre told to put a lid on the OOC, others dont. A lot know when to not even use LOOC in general, others do not. This needs to be addressed a bit more I think. If your asked to can it, then can it and dont continue or shoot a comment back after the fact. Its disrespectful. Dosnt mean you need to be a statue, theres In-Character, we arnt the Military, we have free speech, so if you want to bullshit, then put it In Character so you can make some conversation.

I actually had to go, I jumped off in a ragdoll because thats what I felt like doing..

Real life before RP, learn it, don't rag on others just cause you think a game is more important. I must admit though, I was overdoing the LOOC.

Quote from: SGT-Spartans on 16-02-2011
I actually had to go, I jumped off in a ragdoll because thats what I felt like doing..

Real life before RP, learn it, don't rag on others just cause you think a game is more important. I must admit though, I was overdoing the LOOC.

If you have to go, then go. Don't minge it up. Nobody cares if you felt like doing it, and nobody here thinks that the game is more important. We're here to have fun, we just don't like it when retards start fucking around when we're trying to have a good time.

If anything i could put to suggest, It would be to have a Roster of what times a Player MUST be on...... Of course this would have to fit to the persons Real life activities.
This way you will have ATLEAST one person on, ANd you won't be AS inactive.
Another things, Initiate squads....Send out small patrols, NOT too far.
Make it exciting so that others actually want to roleplay.
Recruit more people if you are lacking...? Thats all i can say for now.

Quote from: Smithy on 16-02-2011
If anything i could put to suggest, It would be to have a Roster of what times a Player MUST be on...... Of course this would have to fit to the persons Real life activities.
This way you will have ATLEAST one person on, ANd you won't be AS inactive.
Another things, Initiate squads....Send out small patrols, NOT too far.
Make it exciting so that others actually want to roleplay.
Recruit more people if you are lacking...? Thats all i can say for now.

Please post constructive responses towards this Post, As this is my suggestion/Oppinion.

We have like nine people on right now. The thing is, Freedom and DUTY have different time zones where we're active, so that kinda sucks.

Ah, Understandable now.
Well for now. Recruit people within Duty's timezone also? And they should do the same.

There's 10 of them on right now. Don't think they need any more. But that's up to them.

Quote from: Dug on 16-02-2011
There's 10 of them on right now. Don't think they need any more. But that's up to them.

It isn't common, and that was pretty much our whole faction.
Also, I'd like to push the re-instatement of squads some more, if anyone has ideas, talk to me if you will.
And about 3 of the pinned threads are still in "Work in Progress" stage. It's been what, a year now?

Oh yeah, those are the things blake tried to fail force in. I'll remove them.

After talking to Tasker a bit, I have a different idea for squads.
Every single "organized" squad system fails, or hurts more than helps. You shouldn't force people to work together, or make them act in a certain fashion. Squads should be completely optional, and only created when they have a purpose and a competent set of people willing and able to work together in it, along with a leader.
Certain tactics and protocols shouldn't be pushed on squads, people should form them because they can work together well, and want to. There should be a sense of mutual understanding and trust in a them.
Now that's a squad.

Organization seems a bit of an oxymoron in Freedom, does it not?

The whole reason Freedom worked in STALKER was because it was a game mechanic just as much as monolith was. The entirety of the situation when it comes to squads is ridiculous because it will inevitably come back to the original argument of "WELL ITS FREEDOM SO I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT! WE HAVE NO RANK STRUCTURE DERKA DERKA!" That, as unfortunate as it is, will recur in an almost seamless timeline.

That's why I'd hope squads would work differently. Think of it more of a "gang of friends" than a squad. They work well together, so they're put together.

I've been considering creating squads, but, for reasons stated already, I havn't. If I did, hoever, I'd probably create them based off peoples speciaization, for example each squad would consist of a Sniper, a Medic, a Specialist, and a few Assault troops, and be lead by either a Wardog or or a Veteran. So there would be two squads of roughly 4 or 5 people, with the A-Team being a separate third squad.

Could create squads that have no general purpose other than the fact that they are a team. Just be sure to have at least 1 medic in each, and some sort of "Badass" that the squad follows.

Sorta like this

Example

Greenland squad:
1.Some Vetran or other Officer (Squad lead)
2. Some other officer or fighter (Squad co-lead)
3. Member
4. Member
6. Member
7. (Potential medic)

Mad Cow Squad:
1. Some vetran or other officer (Squad lead)
2. Some other officer or fighter (Squad co-lead)
3. member
4. member
6. member
7. (Potential medic)

Let them name thier own squads and let them join as they please, but be sure to keep a balance in the squads. so that you don't have a massive super squad and a little midget squad

Also the numbering in the squad doesn't really cound for anything

And if all goes well your structure should look like this



The squaders communicate any ideas or complaints to the Squad Co-lead or leader, and they report up.

You also may want to hold regular officer meetings and squad leader meetings (Which the Co-leads may attend if they wish)

Therefore you have SOME form of organization yet its not too tight.

This is a WIP that I just came up with, so it may have flaws

Quote from: Tom on 16-02-2011
Could create squads that have no general purpose other than the fact that they are a team. Just be sure to have at least 1 medic in each, and some sort of "Badass" that the squad follows.

Sorta like this

Example

Greenland squad:
1.Some Vetran or other Officer (Squad lead)
2. Some other officer or fighter (Squad co-lead)
3. Member
4. Member
6. Member
7. (Potential medic)

Mad Cow Squad:
1. Some vetran or other officer (Squad lead)
2. Some other officer or fighter (Squad co-lead)
3. member
4. member
6. member
7. (Potential medic)

Let them name thier own squads and let them join as they please, but be sure to keep a balance in the squads. so that you don't have a massive super squad and a little midget squad

Also the numbering in the squad doesn't really cound for anything

And if all goes well your structure should look like this

Leader
|
Ace
|
Wardogs
|             |            |
Sqaud(L) Squad(L) Squad(L)
|               |              |
sqcl         sqcl         sqcl
|               |              |
Members  Members Members

The squaders communicate any ideas or complaints to the Squad Co-lead or leader, and they report up.

You also may want to hold regular officer meetings and squad leader meetings (Which the Co-leads may attend if they wish)

Therefore you have SOME form of organization yet its not too tight.

This is a WIP that I just came up with, so it may have flaws

Uh fucking this? I really have nothing to say other then I support this idea fully.

The flying Mongooses

Actually Agree with the above, I would like to Support that also.
The idea of the communication would be nice, But with our numbers i think we could only have on possible squad :|

There is quite a few of us you know It could work.

Wanting to get some opinions on this. I'm making a new non-officer rank after Fighter for certain reasons, but I need to think of a canonical name.
My idea was Change "Ace" into "Commandant", "Wardog" into "Ace", and "Veteran" into "Wardog." And then the ranks would go:

Officers/Leaders: Head-Commandant-Ace-Wardog   Members: Veteran-Fighter-Seedy-Rookie.

Thoughts?

Looks good, but i didnt like the co-leader rank name, if i think on anything better i will edit this.

That's what the co-leader was in Clear-Sky, so eh.
Either that or slip "Experienced" between Seedy and Fighter, or after Fighter.

I like my idea of Experienced.

I think it should be "Legendary, Ace, Wardog, Guerilla." as officers and then "Vetran, Fighter, Seedy, Rookie" as members

Quote from: Dug on 28-01-2011
Celtic needs to lead Freedom.

Lol worst freedom leader how about you convince Locke to run it again because old old freedom was the best.

Quote from: Welek on 06-03-2011

Quote from: Dug on 28-01-2011
Celtic needs to lead Freedom.

Lol worst freedom leader how about you convince Locke to run it again because old old freedom was the best.

"Old old Freedom" was the best because "old old SRP" was the best.

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Quote from: Dug on 28-01-2011
Celtic needs to lead Freedom.

Lol worst freedom leader how about you convince Locke to run it again because old old freedom was the best.

"Old old Freedom" was the best because "old old SRP" was the best.

Ya but old old duty sucked and old old ducky was invincible and it wasn't fun so just old old loner / old old freedom rp was the best.

I forgot to mention the furry incharge of monolith anybody remember grave surfing monolith? and the tank? oh god

i want it back :'(

Enforce a lil' bit of discipline, yapping and questioning orders = cleaning suits for a week or more. I don't know, but maybe it'll help with drama and such.

Quote from: Welek on 06-03-2011

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Quote from: Dug on 28-01-2011
Celtic needs to lead Freedom.

Lol worst freedom leader how about you convince Locke to run it again because old old freedom was the best.

"Old old Freedom" was the best because "old old SRP" was the best.

Ya but old old duty sucked and old old ducky was invincible and it wasn't fun so just old old loner / old old freedom rp was the best.

I forgot to mention the furry incharge of monolith anybody remember grave surfing monolith? and the tank? oh god

i want it back :'(

i remember how he built auto turrets around the base
they always killed me
i hate him
even now

Quote from: lolKieck on 27-04-2011
Enforce a lil' bit of discipline, yapping and questioning orders = cleaning suits for a week or more. I don't know, but maybe it'll help with drama and such.

Nah, we tried that before and it generally just started a different kind of drama, one that lasted even longer than the one before. We'll take care of it, no worries.

I advocate a return event in which we re-establish a base of operations in the second server (alpha map).

Quote from: trenchman on 13-01-2012
I advocate a return event in which we re-establish a base of operations in the second server (alpha map).

What.....

Quote from: FrostyFrosty on 13-01-2012

Quote from: trenchman on 13-01-2012
I advocate a return event in which we re-establish a base of operations in the second server (alpha map).

What.....

He means going to Server 2 and "Reclaiming" the Freedom Base, even though it's really not taken by anybody at the moment.

Quote from: Lent23 on 13-01-2012

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Quote from: trenchman on 13-01-2012
I advocate a return event in which we re-establish a base of operations in the second server (alpha map).

What.....

He means going to Server 2 and "Reclaiming" the Freedom Base, even though it's really not taken by anybody at the moment.

Server two is taken by Duty.

Quote from: HitMan5523 on 14-01-2012

Quote from: Lent23 on 13-01-2012

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Quote from: trenchman on 13-01-2012
I advocate a return event in which we re-establish a base of operations in the second server (alpha map).

What.....

He means going to Server 2 and "Reclaiming" the Freedom Base, even though it's really not taken by anybody at the moment.

Server two is taken by Duty.

What.. So the whole server there is DUTY's? I think I agree with Trenchman, we should reclaim a base there.

You very well can but that is up to CC to organize with me not involving any of you atm.

Quote from: Goose on 14-01-2012
You very well can but that is up to CC to organize with me not involving any of you atm.

Well, we sort of did a reclamation operation already; yesterday, we patrolled through server 2 and IC discussed reclaiming the base. Since there was literally no opposing force through the entire patrol and no one laying claim to the base, I think we may have already informally announced to the whole Zone that we're back in the sector. So we might as well stake our claim anyway.

Besides, this will get the war with Duty back in swing. And who doesn't love a good fight now and then, eh?

I think that faction bases should conflict with other factions the same way as with Mutants. Unless it's agreed upon, the defending faction is allowed to STK, the opposing faction able to STM and leave. It doesn't seem fair that something like Military should, for example, run up to Freedom base and suffer no losses, where Freedom has two deaths during what was supposed to be an "STM". Just an example, not like anything like that has ever happened....

Quote from: trenchman on 14-01-2012

Quote from: Goose on 14-01-2012
You very well can but that is up to CC to organize with me not involving any of you atm.

Well, we sort of did a reclamation operation already; yesterday, we patrolled through server 2 and IC discussed reclaiming the base. Since there was literally no opposing force through the entire patrol and no one laying claim to the base, I think we may have already informally announced to the whole Zone that we're back in the sector. So we might as well stake our claim anyway.

Besides, this will get the war with Duty back in swing. And who doesn't love a good fight now and then, eh?

NO. This is not how shit works CCand I have it worked out territory wars are agreed to and fought for, you met no resistance because there was no one fucking on, the base is not yours.

By your logic duty can stroll into server 1 when no freedoms on stroll into your base and be "hmm no resistance this is ours now HERP A DERP. " that is fucking retarded it's because of logic like that, that faction wars fucked up before and I swear to god I will murder you if you start that shit again. /rant.

Quote from: Goose on 14-01-2012

Quote from: trenchman on 14-01-2012

Quote from: Goose on 14-01-2012
You very well can but that is up to CC to organize with me not involving any of you atm.

Well, we sort of did a reclamation operation already; yesterday, we patrolled through server 2 and IC discussed reclaiming the base. Since there was literally no opposing force through the entire patrol and no one laying claim to the base, I think we may have already informally announced to the whole Zone that we're back in the sector. So we might as well stake our claim anyway.

Besides, this will get the war with Duty back in swing. And who doesn't love a good fight now and then, eh?

NO. This is not how shit works CCand I have it worked out territory wars are agreed to and fought for, you met no resistance because there was no one fucking on, the base is not yours.

By your logic duty can stroll into server 1 when no freedoms on stroll into your base and be "hmm no resistance this is ours now HERP A DERP. " that is fucking retarded it's because of logic like that, that faction wars fucked up before and I swear to god I will murder you if you start that shit again. /rant.

Calm down for a sec- no one is laying claim to the base. We should just reclaim it. That's all I'm saying.

Not sure if this is the right section but...




What happens to the old base? Are we planning to move back or something?

Quote from: KetChuup on 21-01-2012
Not sure if this is the right section but...




What happens to the old base? Are we planning to move back or something?

We took Yantar for a base.. So I would guess we are not leaving.

Okayum, but what happens to the old base? It get's captured or something?

It's still ours, man.