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Title: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: meetdadoom on 23-10-2011
We have all heard this debate. Is Islam a religion of peace? Our leaders say that Islam IS a religion of peace and that the Taliban and Alqueda are only small extreme sectors. Yet, we still hear about Islamic nations going over board. A key reason for nations going overboard is an Islamic term called Sharia. Sharia is a punishment code. Whenever someone commits a crime, Sharia will tell you what needs to be done. So if Islam is claimed to be the Religion of peace then why do they go overboard when it comes to punishing people? I still can't tell if Islam is a religion of peace my self. Many moderate Muslims I've met are really nice people (more nice than the Jews in my neighborhood) but, I still hear stories of Islamic Nations going overboard.


Discuss!


btw: the reason why I am wondering this is because my English teacher this year is a Former Navy soldier, former CIA agent, and currently interrogates for the CIA. And currently we are reading books about puritan society back in the 1600s and their punishment and he tells stories about MiddleEastern nations and Sharia. This really got my mind going.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Iam333 on 24-10-2011
I think Islam is religion of peace, truth is there is several organizations which fight in name of Islam, but thats mostly just guise and self excuse for deeds they do. If somebody thinks Islam isnt religion of peace because of them, he might also think all Christians fuck with children because thats what some priests do. I dont think in modern society there is place for unpeaceful religion and I dont think that any of these global religions is not based on peace.
And that Sharia, to be honest I dont know what it is but if its what you say its similiar to Christian hell. We do bad things we go to hell, we do good things we go to heaven, we are between it we go to purgatory. Every religion have something to scare people from not doing sins.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: ThY on 24-10-2011
I believe Islam is a peacefull religion, but they are influenced to treat those who don't share the same beliefs differently, radicly portraying their emotions. I do believe many customs and thaughts they live by are quite backword in the modern world.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Silver Knight on 24-10-2011
Islam is not a religion of peace. Anyone who thinks that clearly does not know the history of the religion. It's a false, fake religion founded by a warmongering pedofile who wanted to use religion to pray on the weak minds of the time. To unite them under his banner so he could conquer and take over anything, under the name of god.

In those times, like the threat christanity posed (Heaven\hell) Sinning, eternal damnation and fire. People were and some still are today, slaves to their religion, following it to the very text written in the book.

The quaran is very much a copy of the bible, it came after the bible, he saw how successful christanity was and he duplicated it, the "great" muhammad. He declared god told him to write a book and then showed everyone and then lead armies to battle in the name of god (lol? - peace?) for the rest of his life time. Enslaving, conquering, mass killing. All in the name of god.

Did i mention he was a pedofile too? Taking a 6 year old girl to be his play thing, later marrying  her at 12?

The main basic difference between christanity and Islam is that christanity was born through a kind, generious man who gave a shit about people rather than some hateful cunt who used religion to wage war and unite people under his banner.

There you have it. Islam in a nutshell. It's a book of bullshit, more so than the bible. It's a book of enslavery, injustice and laws which bind the people under his mindset and alot of stupid people, the muslims follow it, even to the death.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: lolKieck on 24-10-2011
Lol, pedophile part is invalid, it wasn't uncommon for a 20-years old man to be in love with a 7-year old maiden.
Not to mention later when Arabs had Jerusalem they were talking how Islam and Christianity Gods are the same. Maybe it's because they got loads of money made by serving the Christians going there.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Paintcheck on 24-10-2011
Every modern religion wants to be a religion of peace but no religion is peaceful. The problem with religion is that by its very nature it is exclusive and people will attack others because of this. I would bet there exists a militant Buddhist faction out there somewhere. When you start making things up about the meaning of life you're going to get crazy, stupid morons who think that because it's religion it is true and everything/everyone else is wrong/evil for not believing that. Christianity is of course an excellent example of this with the Crusades in the...think it was the 1100s-1200s and religious persecution in England and France in the 1600s and a lot of that were different sects of Christianity killing each other. It's the same thing in Islam; the vast majority of Muslims are fine, normal, well-adjusted people. Unfortunately there exists several useless countries full of crazy idiots who think their God wants them to blow themselves up in marketplaces on weekends. That's a function of those people, not of their religion. I promise you the Quaran does not say anywhere in it "And thou shalt detonate thyself in the most crowded market thou can find in My name," but crazy people are crazy people.

And before I get a bunch of people pointing out the Quaran passage about "Taking the sword to the unbelievers" or however that goes the Bible and the Torah both also advocate violence towards nonChristians/Nonjews. That's a staple of most religions and not unique to Islam.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Ragolution on 24-10-2011
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Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: jaik on 24-10-2011
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Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Overwatch on 24-10-2011
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I know this is a serious thread and all, But cartoons actually portray religion pretty well in my opinion


Family Guy - Getting along without religion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmwBPsB0oaE#ws)
Futurama Explains Religion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK7ZDSUvB6E#)
Christianity in a nutshell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n16PpvdpMXo#)


The world would be better off by a minor amount without religion.
Sure we'd still have a war over something, cause were humans, It's in our nature to fight over a patch of dirt to call it ours. But religion seems to have been abused as an excuse for war.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: lolKieck on 24-10-2011
Isn't it funny how the oldest people are the most extremist? Well, most of them.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Ragolution on 24-10-2011
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And it's funny because, even chimpanzees and other monkeys have wars so the people from PETA who go "ONLY HUMANS HAVE WARS" are entirely wrong. Sure we're the only ones who use guns, but theoretically it's only a matter of time until Monkeys start to use clubs.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Maxi96203 on 28-10-2011
Islam is not a religion of peace, the earlier entries in the Quran are now invalid, as opposed to the later, war-like, entries in the Quran. It encourages lying to progress Marshal Law and such.


Islam is a religion to deceive those who don't follow it.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Silver Knight on 28-10-2011
Islam isn't really a religion, it's the middle east's version of a satanist's cult.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: jaik on 28-10-2011
Quote from: Last.Exile on 28-10-2011
cult.

Silver said everything in his previous post, I can only add that the cunts should stop making demands about their religion everywhere. Fuck these immigrants.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Spades_Neil on 16-01-2012
I love how the opposition to Islam is completely uneducated nonsense. Did you know that people in Al Qaeda and the Taliban have largely never read the Qur'an? But why do they call themselves Muslims, then? Well, why do Tea Party fanatics call themselves Christian? You tell me, because the shit don't make sense.

But back to Islam. If anyone knows what they're talking about here, it's me.

Quote from: Maxi96203 on 28-10-2011
Islam is not a religion of peace, the earlier entries in the Quran are now invalid, as opposed to the later, war-like, entries in the Quran. It encourages lying to progress Marshal Law and such. Islam is a religion to deceive those who don't follow it.

Have you read the Qur'an? The whole Qur'an? No.

Quote from: Last.Exile on 24-10-2011
Islam is not a religion of peace. Anyone who thinks that clearly does not know the history of the religion.

Funny, I took a college course on it and came to exactly the opposite conclusion. In fact, the Islamic world used to be the most glorious thing humanity had to offer--until the west started fucking them over first for land and trading, and eventually for oil, until eventually all the prosperous empires that once blessed humanity were utterly destroyed.

Now today all that's left is a desert shithole full of bullet holes and craters thanks to us.

Quote from: Last.Exile on 24-10-2011
It's a false, fake religion founded by a warmongering pedofile who wanted to use religion to pray on the weak minds of the time. To unite them under his banner so he could conquer and take over anything, under the name of god.

Wrong. Believe it or not (and I didn't believe it when I first heard it), the expansion of Islam was largely conversion rather than conquest in its earliest days. It expanded all the way up into Spain before the Crusades showed up and went all genocidal on their asses.

Somewhere along the line, the Vatican started feeling rather threatened by it. So guess what they did? Started a war. If anyone looks like warmongers here, it's the Christians.

And don't even get me started about the Jews when it comes to war...

Quote from: Last.Exile on 24-10-2011
In those times, like the threat christanity posed (Heaven\hell) Sinning, eternal damnation and fire. People were and some still are today, slaves to their religion, following it to the very text written in the book.

You must be talking about the Dark Ages.

Also known as the Golden Age (for Islam). While most of Europe is busy killing each other over border disputes and/or calling one-another heretics, a certain Islamic empire is busy inventing algebra, inventing new means of navigation, building cities, eating healthy, not suffering from The Plague...

Quote from: Last.Exile on 24-10-2011
The quaran is very much a copy of the bible, it came after the bible, he saw how successful christanity was and he duplicated it, the "great" muhammad. He declared god told him to write a book and then showed everyone and then lead armies to battle in the name of god (lol? - peace?) for the rest of his life time. Enslaving, conquering, mass killing. All in the name of god.

lol wrong. Read the Qur'an and look up on the history of it instead of bigoted crap.

Quote from: Last.Exile on 24-10-2011
Did i mention he was a pedofile too? Taking a 6 year old girl to be his play thing, later marrying  her at 12?

And I suppose this was any different than the rest of the world at the time? Though really, you think this is bad? You should have seen the Middle East BEFORE Islam showed up. Islam actually dramatically improved rights for women. Early Islam outlawed practices that turned women into property. The Qur'an in fact has an entire chapter dedicated to women.

Meanwhile in The Bible, you tell me what The Bible says about women. Go on. Amuse me.

Quote from: Last.Exile on 24-10-2011
The main basic difference between christanity and Islam is that christanity was born through a kind, generious man who gave a shit about people rather than some hateful cunt who used religion to wage war and unite people under his banner.

Again this is how I know you haven't checked up on your facts, because the teachings of Muhammad outlawed the old tribal ways of justice--and in fact, real Islam respects both Judaism and Christianity and recognizes them as its predecessor--and in fact acknowledges Jesus as another, earlier prophet.

What you see on television about Muslims is about as accurate to Islam as the Ku Klux Klan and Neo Nazis The Tea Party are to Christianity.

Quote from: Last.Exile on 24-10-2011
There you have it. Islam in a nutshell. It's a book of bullshit, more so than the bible. It's a book of enslavery, injustice and laws which bind the people under his mindset and alot of stupid people, the muslims follow it, even to the death.

Again, have you read it for yourself? The whole thing. Not just a few out of context passages. I could do that with any religious scripture.

When I started studying Islam, I knew from the get go that Muslims could just be putting up a nice show to settle my possible fears. I'm not stupid enough to fall for that. I did my own research, and very rarely took my questions to the Imam unless I was completely stumped.


On a final note Exile, from what I've chatted with you on Teamspeak in the past regarding Islam, I've concluded that your problem with "Islam" is really just a problem with immigration. I have a similar problem where I live. Growing up, I (falsely) hated Hispanics/Blacks and grew so racist I viewed them flat out as subhuman for a while. Really, how could you not? You guys have seen the hell hole of a school I attended, and a large population of that school was simply not white. So I connected dots that weren't there.

Then I grew up. Not sure when, not sure how. I just did. Maybe because I eventually realized I hated white people as much as I hated blacks and hispanics. No, it wasn't race I hated. It was stupidity I hated--and stupidity knows no religion or ethnicity. Stupidity is universal. People are too quick to judge, and I had grown up my whole life being falsely judged. The irony of it was I found myself looking into the mirror after that and realized what a fucking hypocrite I was the whole time. Here I was wrongly judging others before taking the time to learn what they were really like.

Also, if Islam was a religion of war, my neighborhood would be a crater. I'm surrounded by Muslims. Really I'm glad they showed up. They drove out all the drug addicts, drove up property value, fixed the local school, and completely turned around a neighborhood that was a ghetto before full of hispanics and white trash. Then again, these guys are Turkish Muslims. Not Pakistani or Iranian. Islam across the world is vastly different because the Qur'an is interpreted differently. Iranian Muslims are STRONGLY conservative, to the point where I feel that it breaks their own religious laws. Meanwhile, other versions of Islam such as Turkish Islam, or American Islam, is far more liberal in its views. Likewise, you go to the American deep south, it's like a 3rd world country in some places, and they are so staunchly conservative that it makes Christians in places like New England throw up a little in their mouth at how sick their view of God is twisted.




tl;dr Do your homework before telling us to do it, because I know the history and that's how I know you're wrong. I took a college course specific to this topic, and the class was run by a white, Christian male who was born in the United States and formerly taught American History, so I'm pretty sure he's not full of shit. Also religion is never to blame. Religion is just an excuse that politicians use on the idiotic masses to fuel their agenda. See Arab / Israeli conflict, which we also learned about. There's A LOT more than just religion in that war.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Ragolution on 17-01-2012
Jesus christ I'm having issues neiling with this necropost.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Tom on 17-01-2012
God DAMNIT SPADES. I didn't read a word of what you said. . . But I did see your post date. Son I am dissappoint.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: meetdadoom on 17-01-2012
I got banned for this comment
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Spades_Neil on 17-01-2012
Quote from: meetdadoom on 17-01-2012
Jokes on you Spades, everyone knows that Silver is an ignorant racist and won't listen, have fun having a pretty biased essay on why SIlver is wrong!

Ah, but who am I really trying to convince? Both of us are set in our ways. My argument is for the naive newcomer whose opinion could be sway either way depending on who gets the better argument in.

Also yea, necro. Lock it if you don't like it. Not much I can do now.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Mr. Pink on 17-01-2012
Quote from: Spades_Neil on 17-01-2012
Quote from: meetdadoom on 17-01-2012
Jokes on you Spades, everyone knows that Silver is an ignorant racist and won't listen, have fun having a pretty biased essay on why SIlver is wrong!

Ah, but who am I really trying to convince? Both of us are set in our ways. My argument is for the naive newcomer whose opinion could be sway either way depending on who gets the better argument in.

Also yea, necro. Lock it if you don't like it. Not much I can do now.


I personally am against religion in its many forms. Eleminate them all, then they can no longer fight over idealogies that no one will ever be able to prove. I say fight over resources instead, at least there there's a legitimate reason to fight (And profits to be made). (Keep in mind this is from the guy who's life-goal is to lead the U.S. arms industry as Krupp had in Germany during the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries.)
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: lolKieck on 18-01-2012
Quote from: Mr. Pink on 17-01-2012
Quote from: Spades_Neil on 17-01-2012
Quote from: meetdadoom on 17-01-2012
Jokes on you Spades, everyone knows that Silver is an ignorant racist and won't listen, have fun having a pretty biased essay on why SIlver is wrong!

Ah, but who am I really trying to convince? Both of us are set in our ways. My argument is for the naive newcomer whose opinion could be sway either way depending on who gets the better argument in.

Also yea, necro. Lock it if you don't like it. Not much I can do now.


I personally am against religion in its many forms. Eleminate them all, then they can no longer fight over idealogies that no one will ever be able to prove. I say fight over resources instead, at least there there's a legitimate reason to fight (And profits to be made). (Keep in mind this is from the guy who's life-goal is to lead the U.S. arms industry as Krupp had in Germany during the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries.)
Did you read what Spades posted? Religion is a scapegoat. NOBODY would be so stupid to fight over a religion.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Knife_cz on 18-01-2012
I am againts every kind of religion, if there was none, there wouldnt be such hate, ea againts homosexuals.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Madcombat on 18-01-2012
All forms of Religion is quite potentially dangrous, but its only dangrous when one takes the religion and twists it.  See Both Christiantity promote peace however like we've experianced from wars and the Crusades, all it takes is one man with enough influence to say "These people threaten us, lets kill them" rather then stay by there code and say "These people threaten us, lets open diplomacy."

Would getting rid of it really do anything?  After much thought the reasons wars ocure (Aparently over religion.) is actually because of the country and leadership of that country.  Religion is just a escape goat, take for example the Nazi's, they could've gone "Oh, but the bible said if anyone attempted to sway your view of religion, they should be beaten with a rock." (Yes, it says that in the bible.)  There gentlemen is a nice escape goat for Nazi's to use for the murder of so many jewish familys.

What do I dislike about religion?  That its false, and people try to force it on others and thats about it.  The truth lies behind the genius who uses it to bend people to his will.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: jaik on 18-01-2012
Quote from: Madcombat on 18-01-2012
There gentlemen is a nice escape goat for Nazi's to use for the murder of so many jewish familys.

I was agreeing with your post until you had said the shortened term for national socialist and the reference to the genocide theory.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Madcombat on 18-01-2012
Quote from: Jake on 18-01-2012
Quote from: Madcombat on 18-01-2012
There gentlemen is a nice escape goat for Nazi's to use for the murder of so many jewish familys.

I was agreeing with your post until you had said the shortened term for national socialist and the reference to the genocide theory.

Did they really make a theory saying thats why they did it?  Well, just proves it then doesnt it.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: jaik on 18-01-2012
Quote from: Madcombat on 18-01-2012
Did they really make a theory saying thats why they did it?  Well, just proves it then doesnt it.

Sure, they voluntarily convinced in killing 6 millions jews if we ignore the fact that they were made to say that.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: nKe on 18-01-2012
I was afraid if i might get punished for necroing this but...
Thank you for saying what i was going to say, spades.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Steven :D on 18-01-2012
fuck religion
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Spades_Neil on 18-01-2012
Quote from: lolKieck on 18-01-2012
Quote from: Mr. Pink on 17-01-2012
Quote from: Spades_Neil on 17-01-2012
Quote from: meetdadoom on 17-01-2012
Jokes on you Spades, everyone knows that Silver is an ignorant racist and won't listen, have fun having a pretty biased essay on why SIlver is wrong!

Ah, but who am I really trying to convince? Both of us are set in our ways. My argument is for the naive newcomer whose opinion could be sway either way depending on who gets the better argument in.

Also yea, necro. Lock it if you don't like it. Not much I can do now.


I personally am against religion in its many forms. Eleminate them all, then they can no longer fight over idealogies that no one will ever be able to prove. I say fight over resources instead, at least there there's a legitimate reason to fight (And profits to be made). (Keep in mind this is from the guy who's life-goal is to lead the U.S. arms industry as Krupp had in Germany during the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries.)
Did you read what Spades posted? Religion is a scapegoat. NOBODY would be so stupid to fight over a religion.

Religion, mind you, also falls into much more than, "My God is better than your God." It establishes a way of life. That way of life can be positive or negative. Some religions enforce healthy, hygienic lifestyles. Others enforce a work ethic and self integrity. For Islam, for far greater part of history, I've seen many positive things come out of Islam that the modern world relies on. Would those things still be there without the Qur'an? The Qur'an claimed to hold scientific truths in it. The Qur'an says that there is no disease God has created that there is no cure for. It speaks about things as great as the universe and the warping of time and space to something so small as the dividing of cells in a new fetus. The Qur'an actually promoted scientific research, which is more than I can say about the Bible. If you like, I can dig up the Qur'an verses I'm talking about that have been later proven by modern science.

Without religion, science alone however still cannot answer certain questions. A world without spirituality at all is nigh impossible. Even without religion, it is impossible not to have philosophy and spirituality or else life feels meaningless in the very end. Even Atheists must maintain a form of spirituality whether they recognize it as such or not. A world without organized religion may be possible, though. Organized religion is what I want to see the end of. However, Islam is not organized (unless you live in Iran... and I don't like Iranian Islam >_>). Judaism isn't organized either. Neither of these religions have a universal hierarchy that Mosques / Synagogues refer to. Only Christians have that. It's called the Vatican. All Jews and Muslims have are groups of scholars who interpret their religion differently all over the world.

Sadly, in places like the rural Arabic world, those "scholars" are so-called Islamic tribes. No one else in the community knows how to read, so these folks can make up whatever bullshit they want and use it to fuel their real goal: Power. Those are the places the terrorists come from. You want to end terrorism forever? Instead of bombing towns, build schools. Google an organization called Pennies for Peace and you'll find that this idea has already had major success in places like Pakistan.

But anyway, back to the Vatican. Now, I used to be a hardcore conspiracy theorist. By "hardcore" I really mean "believed whatever the fuck you told me because I was young and stupid." You've all heard of the Illuminati, I'm sure. Well I'll tell you one thing about the Illuminati right now. The only conspiracy about it is the conspiracy its self. The Illuminati is just another scapegoat. Look at history, and look around you today. Look at the people who believe the Illuminati is out to get them. Look who their enemies have been in the past. It all swings back to Christianity. Look who's in power. Look who isn't in power. Look at what the Illuminati stood for. Look at what Christianity stands for. I'll tell you right now, if there's a battle still to this day between Illuminati and Christianity, the Illuminati certainly aren't winning. That however doesn't stop a few people from pushing that false information.

It's pretty damn clever, really. It reaches an audience that cannot be reached directly. I'd love to get more into detail on it in another debate thread about the existence of the Illuminati. For now, I fear if I continue for the moment I will sway too far from the original topic.

tl;dr Yes. Religion is a scapegoat. If we weren't fighting over religion, we'd be fighting over something else. Whether or not the world would be a better place without religion all together is debatable. Without globally organized religion (aka the Catholic Church) however, I'm fairly certain that history would have been far more pleasant.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Silver Knight on 18-01-2012
Quote from: Ragolution on 17-01-2012
Jesus christ I'm having issues neiling with this necropost.

Quote from: Tom on 17-01-2012
God DAMNIT SPADES. I didn't read a word of what you said. . . But I did see your post date. Son I am dissappoint.

Necroing is allowed if it holds sufficent valid information to be revived.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Bl★ck Star on 18-01-2012
Having a imaginative friend = mad
Several people having the same imaginativ friend = religion
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Ragolution on 18-01-2012
Quote from: Bl★ck Star on 18-01-2012
More than one person having an imaginary friend = Cult
Several thousand people having the same imaginary friend = Religion

Fixed
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Vortigoat on 18-01-2012
I dislike the Islamatic believe, Mostly because on  the school where i am on it force feeds you with muslim believe information...
Why would i want to learn stuff about diffrent religions...
I couldnt care less about religions.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Spades_Neil on 18-01-2012
Quote from: Vortigoat on 18-01-2012
I dislike the Islamatic believe, Mostly because on  the school where i am on it force feeds you with muslim believe information...
Why would i want to learn stuff about diffrent religions...
I couldnt care less about religions.

I'm confused by your English.

Where do you live? Is it an Islamic nation or school? Or are they just being liberal and making you learn all the different religious faiths? If the former, it makes sense and is not very different from what Catholic schools do. If the latter, well, Neil with it. Better to understand the religions and ethnicity around you instead of being an ignorant bigot. They don't want you to be a bigot is all. :P Doesn't mean you will be if they don't teach you, but they do it anyway to be sure.

Either way having something shoved down your throat is very unpleasant no matter what it is. Shove enough ice cream down my throat and I'll get a brain freeze, and then I won't like ice cream. Make sense?

Interestingly, as I recall, forcing Islam on others is actually quite un-Islamic. Though the Qur'an understandably (and this much is accurate) DOES say to be careful about fully trusting non-Muslims because through history they've been known to fuck them over. Such remains so even today. Very hard to trust the west considering what we've done to the Middle East. We basically started the Israel / Arab conflict ourselves.

Quote from: Last.Exile on 18-01-2012
Necroing is allowed if it holds sufficent valid information to be revived.

Thanks. Also I respect your ability to at hear out my argument and/or at least allow the discussion to continue by not locking the thread.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Mr. Pink on 18-01-2012
I would be much more ok with the way things are going if all these conflicts were openly over resources rather than religion. Fighting over religion is stupid. Fighting over resources is understandable.
Title: Re: Is Islam a religion of peace?
Post by: Otto on 20-01-2012
Quote from: Spades_Neil
Now today all that's left left is a desert shithole full of bullet holes and craters thanks to us.

By 'us' I assume you mean the United States.  The Soviet Union was in Afghanistan long before us and caused probably 99% of the damage there.  It was once a pretty different place, blame them for making most of it one big wasteland.


There was also one more little bit you said about how Islam was busy "inventing algebra" and other things while Europe was fighting and persecuting and shit like that.  Yeah, Europe was pretty messed up then, but the middle eastern empires weren't exactly innocent either.  They taxed non-Muslims heavily until they converted, or just outright killed them.  Remember how the Ottoman empire invaded Austria in the 1500s, then again in the 1600s in attempt to basically decimate Europe and convert all of it to Islam?  Oh, and by the way, you know who their best troops were?  Christian Serbian kids.  They went to villages in the Baltics and took away boys to indoctrinate them into Islam and make them part of their war machine. 
Pretty noble of them eh, taking advantage of kids?

Muhammad took advantage of an entire people and sent a shit message -  They don't convert?  Bring them to the sword.
Jesus? - Turn the other cheek. 

It seems to me that Jesus was a man and Muhammad was a little power-hungry prick.

You can pretty much blame the shithole the Middle East is now soley on Muhammad.  He started a cycle of death, created a backwards society chock-full of extremists and bigots, and drove much of the world to hate an entire race of people.