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on: 31-08-2010
So ACTA, the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade agreement, is an international agreement to try and stop internet piracy by curtailing the rights of ordinary citizens, law breakers or abiders, by basically doing this:

3 Strike rule
3 Strikes, you're out, you're familiar to this. 3 Strikes from your ISP if you've been caught with illegaly acquired stuff, and no more internet for you.

Warrantless searches
In order to search a property, law enforcement requires a warrant, acquired from a court of law. When ACTA is passed (1/9/2010), police can search anything which holds data without your permission or without permission from the court.

Countries effected
The European Union, The Commonwealth, North America, and Japan.

Score 1 Corporations. Advice: Put any of your illegal stuff onto an external HDD, and hide that HDD under the floor boards.

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Reply #1 on: 31-08-2010
The EU survives, the three strike policy will not be enforced. Everything inside this agreement is against the EU privacy laws which are agreed on by every single country. The Netherlands has said themselfs they will not follow this agreement and will only break the privacy of the users that cause too much damage to the companies.

Basically, most of the European countries survive this retarded shit.



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Reply #2 on: 31-08-2010
The EU survives, the three strike policy will not be enforced. Everything inside this agreement is against the EU privacy laws which are agreed on by every single country. The Netherlands has said themselfs they will not follow this agreement and will only break the privacy of the users that cause too much damage to the companies.

Basically, most of the European countries survive this retarded shit.

I fucking hope the UK is one of those countries.
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Reply #3 on: 31-08-2010
The EU wants all the agreements public, also they will not enforce the three strike policy, the data collect shit AND the border controls. That would be against the law of privacy, thus we're safe. Unless some idiot suddenly changes his mind.



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Reply #4 on: 31-08-2010
Activities that would become illegal under Bill C-61 include:
-circumventing any “digital lock” (e.g. - unlocking a cell phone, viewing DVDs bought overseas);
-making a backup copy of a DVD or CD on disc or on your computer; -transferring a DVD to your iPod;
-distributing any software or equipment that can be used to unlock digital content (e.g. - software that can burn a copy of a "locked" DVD);
-circumventing any lock, even for repair or other legitimate purposes;
-making copyrighted material available to others (e.g. - posting a video on YouTube to which you do not own all the rights, using a song on your website to which you do not own the rights, sharing through peer to peer networks);
-allowing any electronic library materials to be checked out for more than 5 days;
-copying digital materials for research or educational purposes;
-allowing distance education students to keep course materials that contain copyrighted material after the class is finished

Breaking these new laws could result in a fine of up to $20,000 per infringement. Though Bill C-61 died on the table in parliament when an election was called on September 7, 2008, the Conservative Party has promised to reintroduce the bill.


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Reply #5 on: 31-08-2010
C61 is for North America / Canada only, silly. It's different over here in Europe.

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Reply #6 on: 31-08-2010
Oh well, was going to leave North America anyways...



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Reply #7 on: 31-08-2010
Oh well, was going to leave North America anyways...

Try Iceland. ACTA is non-existant over there.

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Reply #8 on: 31-08-2010
Oh well, was going to leave North America anyways...

Try Iceland. ACTA is non-existant over there.

then again...iceland is always said to be the place that just gets overwhelmed with the Zombie outbreak....yes....i am scared of the outbreak more than a copy right law.


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Reply #9 on: 02-09-2010
Here's an idea: Don't fucking pirate shit and BUY IT. OMFG you won't get arrested for actually legally obtaining something. Who knew?

Although C-61 is fucked up.



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Reply #10 on: 02-09-2010
Here's an idea: Don't fucking pirate shit and BUY IT.

why
none's going to arrest you unless you download and seed shit non-stop.

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Reply #11 on: 02-09-2010
Here's an idea: Don't fucking pirate shit and BUY IT. OMFG you won't get arrested for actually legally obtaining something. Who knew?

Although C-61 is fucked up.

That's not the thing people are annoyed about. Instead of ISP's investigating irregular daily packet patterns (Torrents and downloads), police can just come in and look at your stuff.
Many people hate the idea because their illegal downloading lifestyle is under threat, like people who hate the police just because they took away their weed.

I'm against ACTA because it's an intrusion of private space. Just imagine, police can come in, and start scrolling around your phone, your laptop, your PC, without a warrant or clearance of some sort from the courts and you can't stop them.
Zero'ing your HDD (Wiping it in some way) doesn't get rid of the data previously on it, even though 'My Computer' says it's empty; and the police have technology which can view data which wasn't deleted.

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Reply #12 on: 02-09-2010
Then don't give them a reason to search your HDD? They aren't going to systematically go block by block breaking into your house and looking at your HDD. If you get caught pirating and that is what sends up the flag that is your own fucking fault.

If you steal a car and hide it in your garage, the Police are allowed to search your house to find it right? So why is it wrong for them to search your hard drive to find the stolen movies and games you've been pirating? Granted they need a warrant for the car but if you just follow the law they won't have any reason to check your devices for pirated shit.

Granted the "warrantless search" aspect is a gross violation of civil liberties but at the same time the only reason they are going to be looking in your HDD will be if they have probable cause to believe you've been downloading a fuck ton of stuff. So other than setting up a whole bunch of scary precedents for other warrantless searches, if you actually obey the law and don't steal stuff you won't have anything to worry about.



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Reply #13 on: 02-09-2010
Luckily I can do whatever I want on my PC in my country. Because, we have no laws about it.
And if we did have any. I'd format my Hard Disk/Drive.
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Reply #14 on: 02-09-2010
Scary, though I don't think I have anything illegaly downloaded on my computer.




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Reply #15 on: 02-09-2010
Same...at least I hope, ive never done it purposfully, thought I dont think it matters, if its illegal and on your computer, they will find some way to get ya.



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Reply #16 on: 02-09-2010
A famous qoute from "The Sopranos".
Police coming to check our house, better wipe the porn off of your computer.
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Reply #17 on: 03-09-2010
I torrent shit, but I generally buy it if I feel it's worth _supporting the devs_.

Anyone, ANYONE who payed 59.99 for...say Other M and was thoroughly dissapointed with it because they didn't get to try it first, and or had forecasted different mechanics in the trailers, would understand where i'm coming from.

If I torrent something, i'll buy it on steam if it's good. If there's a really good anime I like, i'll buy all the manga (currently like $320 into to series alone). Though, it's a completely different story when it comes to alot of imported stuff.

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Reply #19 on: 04-09-2010
Anyone, ANYONE who payed 59.99 for...say Other M and was thoroughly dissapointed with it because they didn't get to try it first, and or had forecasted different mechanics in the trailers, would understand where i'm coming from.

APB, am I right?

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Reply #20 on: 04-09-2010
Anyone, ANYONE who payed 59.99 for...say Other M and was thoroughly dissapointed with it because they didn't get to try it first, and or had forecasted different mechanics in the trailers, would understand where i'm coming from.

APB, am I right?

Exactly. Also, Other M was what I was initially talking about.

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Reply #21 on: 09-09-2010
Good news:

"Today 377 members of the European Parliament adopted a written declaration on the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) in which they demand greater transparency, assert that ISPs should not up end being liable for data sent through their networks, and say that ACTA "should not force limitations upon judicial due process or weaken fundamental rights such as freedom of expression and the right to privacy."

The "written declaration" has no binding force; any MEP can issue one (there's a 200-word maximum), which is adopted when more than half of all MEPs sign on. If adopted, "written declarations are printed and posted on a board at the entrance to the Chambers in Strasbourg and Brussels." They also go up on the Web and get passed on to the European Commission.
But the declaration does give the ACTA negotiators a sense of the parliamentary will; in this case, Parliament has many concerns about both substance and process.

Some of these have already been addressed; the most recent leaked ACTA draft shows that ISP liability has been removed, for instance. Others, like concerns of access to medicines, especially those in transit from countries with looser patent systems, continue to be areas of concern—and have been for some time.
La Quadrature du Net, a French group that heavily backed the declaration, sees it as a sign that ACTA is doomed.

"Written Declaration 12 is a strong political signal sent by the EP to the Commission that ACTA is not tolerable as a way of bypassing democratic processes. Legislation related to Internet, freedom of speech and privacy cannot be negotiated in secrecy under the direct influence of entertainment industry lobbies," said spokesperson Jérémie Zimmermann. "Full rejection of ACTA is the only option."

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