The Mosin Question

[Otto]

Do any of you even own a mosin?

yes

and I always see at least one other person with one every time I go to the range, they are insanely common (and kickass at that)

[Maxi96203]

Do any of you even own a mosin?

Well Sharrock, thank you for doing the polar opposite of what is constructive.

[Sharrock]

Well you're all saying it needs to be low-tier. Go use one, and yes frost I do own one.

[Maxi96203]

35 million~ produced
(Wikipedia)

May not be low tier, certainly common.

[deluxulous]

Do any of you even own a mosin?

Well Sharrock, thank you for doing the polar opposite of what is constructive.

such is the way of him and his people.

You guys have to stop looking at purely the statistics with this particular weapon, and rather at the other implications with it.
The way the weapon was designed when I first made it was basically on point with everything mentioned: high damage, high accuracy, low ROF and I believe the reload time was decently long (however long the animation was.) I actually tried using it during a firefight once and it wasn't very effective due to the way people actually do STK fights in the server - lots of strafing and moving between cover. It was extremely difficult to hit moving targets as well. Since automatic weapons are by far the most popular action in weapons already on the server, using the Mosin actually presents you with a disadvantage. Suppressive fire is almost nonexistent, and you only get one shot off before you probably have to duck behind cover. Your enemie(s) (who probably have automatics) will know this, and use it against you. It will be easier for them to keep you pinned in one spot, and if you run, it will be easier for them to hit you while you're moving. If you fire a shot, duck behind cover, then peek out, you'll probably get immediately cut down by someone waiting for you to peek again.

You might say, "OH BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SVD?!?" The SVD is semi-automatic, has a scope, and I'm assuming will do similar damage to the Mosin which may or may not have just as good accuracy.

That's my stance on the issue. 1v1 firefights it will be very shit depending on the weaponry of your opponents. The tactics that you would have to apply with this weapon for it to be effective can also be very effective with any other weapon, which again, presents it with a disadvantage.

I don't have a particularly strong opinion on it, but I think it should be a low-mid tier weapon for the reasons listed above.

[Tom]

Brandon I hope you realize "30% protection" still is pretty shit. It's also a Flak Vest too.

[Steven :D]

Do any of you even own a mosin?

Well Sharrock, thank you for doing the polar opposite of what is constructive.

such is the way of him and his people.

You guys have to stop looking at purely the statistics with this particular weapon, and rather at the other implications with it.
The way the weapon was designed when I first made it was basically on point with everything mentioned: high damage, high accuracy, low ROF and I believe the reload time was decently long (however long the animation was.) I actually tried using it during a firefight once and it wasn't very effective due to the way people actually do STK fights in the server - lots of strafing and moving between cover. It was extremely difficult to hit moving targets as well. Since automatic weapons are by far the most popular action in weapons already on the server, using the Mosin actually presents you with a disadvantage. Suppressive fire is almost nonexistent, and you only get one shot off before you probably have to duck behind cover. Your enemie(s) (who probably have automatics) will know this, and use it against you. It will be easier for them to keep you pinned in one spot, and if you run, it will be easier for them to hit you while you're moving. If you fire a shot, duck behind cover, then peek out, you'll probably get immediately cut down by someone waiting for you to peek again.

You might say, "OH BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SVD?!?" The SVD is semi-automatic, has a scope, and I'm assuming will do similar damage to the Mosin which may or may not have just as good accuracy.

That's my stance on the issue. 1v1 firefights it will be very shit depending on the weaponry of your opponents. The tactics that you would have to apply with this weapon for it to be effective can also be very effective with any other weapon, which again, presents it with a disadvantage.

I don't have a particularly strong opinion on it, but I think it should be a low-mid tier weapon for the reasons listed above.

i like what this guy thinks

[Khorn]

I don't really see what's left to discuss.

This is a gun that's only going to help if you plan to get the first shot off on an unsuspecting target.

A Makarov wielding player could easily take down a Mosin user.

[Spades_Neil]

(Extensive reason why the Mosin should be lower-mid tier)

This is how I felt about it.

[nKe]

Ill need to agree with the aboves. It is indeed roleplay rather than simulation, but the Mosin is also the single most mass produced weapon in existence. Theyre everywhere, and theyre as cheap as a dinner at Olive Garden for two people.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080704143238AAcBPSR
40 US Dollar equals
1208.36 Russian Ruble

Oh cool, I can farm one in three hours of playing SRP

Implying that SRP's Ruble = Real life Rus. Ruble.

[lolKieck]

Ill need to agree with the aboves. It is indeed roleplay rather than simulation, but the Mosin is also the single most mass produced weapon in existence. Theyre everywhere, and theyre as cheap as a dinner at Olive Garden for two people.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080704143238AAcBPSR
40 US Dollar equals
1208.36 Russian Ruble

Oh cool, I can farm one in three hours of playing SRP

Implying that SRP's Ruble = Real life Rus. Ruble.

yes
it is
russia pretty much owns ukraine

[TheAndyShandy]

The Ukrainian hryvnia is actually worth more than the ruble, FYI.

[Spades_Neil]

Ill need to agree with the aboves. It is indeed roleplay rather than simulation, but the Mosin is also the single most mass produced weapon in existence. Theyre everywhere, and theyre as cheap as a dinner at Olive Garden for two people.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080704143238AAcBPSR
40 US Dollar equals
1208.36 Russian Ruble

Oh cool, I can farm one in three hours of playing SRP

Implying that SRP's Ruble = Real life Rus. Ruble.

yes
it is
russia pretty much owns ukraine

lolKieck, you say a lot of dumb things, but this is easily one of the dumbest things I've yet read from you. That's like saying the US "pretty much owns" Cuba. I'd go into a lengthy explanation of why you're wrong, but you'll probably deflect it all so I'll not waste my breath.

[lolKieck]

Ill need to agree with the aboves. It is indeed roleplay rather than simulation, but the Mosin is also the single most mass produced weapon in existence. Theyre everywhere, and theyre as cheap as a dinner at Olive Garden for two people.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080704143238AAcBPSR
40 US Dollar equals
1208.36 Russian Ruble

Oh cool, I can farm one in three hours of playing SRP

Implying that SRP's Ruble = Real life Rus. Ruble.

yes
it is
russia pretty much owns ukraine

lolKieck, you say a lot of dumb things, but this is easily one of the dumbest things I've yet read from you. That's like saying the US "pretty much owns" Cuba. I'd go into a lengthy explanation of why you're wrong, but you'll probably deflect it all so I'll not waste my breath.

Ever heard of Donetsk? For your information, it's one of the most industrialized areas of Ukraine and it's inhabited mainly by Russians. Ukraine does something not cool for Russians and whoops! Suddenly Ukraine gets a plebiscite in which most people declare Soviet(not joking)/Russian identity and they lose at least 1/3 of their industry, not to mention their natural gas deposits. And guess what, even if Ukraine is independent from Russia, their economy is still too weak and too dependant on Russia. So...

[Rebel6609]

Ill need to agree with the aboves. It is indeed roleplay rather than simulation, but the Mosin is also the single most mass produced weapon in existence. Theyre everywhere, and theyre as cheap as a dinner at Olive Garden for two people.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080704143238AAcBPSR
40 US Dollar equals
1208.36 Russian Ruble

Oh cool, I can farm one in three hours of playing SRP

Implying that SRP's Ruble = Real life Rus. Ruble.

yes
it is
russia pretty much owns ukraine

lolKieck, you say a lot of dumb things, but this is easily one of the dumbest things I've yet read from you. That's like saying the US "pretty much owns" Cuba. I'd go into a lengthy explanation of why you're wrong, but you'll probably deflect it all so I'll not waste my breath.

Ever heard of Donetsk? For your information, it's one of the most industrialized areas of Ukraine and it's inhabited mainly by Russians. Ukraine does something not cool for Russians and whoops! Suddenly Ukraine gets a plebiscite in which most people declare Soviet(not joking)/Russian identity and they lose at least 1/3 of their industry, not to mention their natural gas deposits. And guess what, even if Ukraine is independent from Russia, their economy is still too weak and too dependant on Russia. So...

So what your saying is, We'll keep it at a low-mid tier gun with what pistol said and be happy with this topic, right? Right, lets do that.

[Paintcheck]

For the accuracy question the easiest way to justify that ICly is the Mosin is WW2 surplus. Most guns don't shoot very well after 50 years of neglect in a Russian bunker.

And Spades the SVD was designed as what we now call a "designated marksman's rifle". It was always a specialists' weapon, it was never supposed to create "a literal army of snipers".

[Plunger]

Ill need to agree with the aboves. It is indeed roleplay rather than simulation, but the Mosin is also the single most mass produced weapon in existence. Theyre everywhere, and theyre as cheap as a dinner at Olive Garden for two people.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080704143238AAcBPSR
40 US Dollar equals
1208.36 Russian Ruble

Oh cool, I can farm one in three hours of playing SRP

Implying that SRP's Ruble = Real life Rus. Ruble.

Stop implying in every topic you post in.

Just make the Mosin Nagant an unscoped mid tier weapon.

[Spades_Neil]

For the accuracy question the easiest way to justify that ICly is the Mosin is WW2 surplus. Most guns don't shoot very well after 50 years of neglect in a Russian bunker.

And Spades the SVD was designed as what we now call a "designated marksman's rifle". It was always a specialists' weapon, it was never supposed to create "a literal army of snipers".

Well, when I say "snipers" I'm referring to what most people call snipers when they mean marksmen.

A true sniper usually works in a team of two, spends days getting to their objective, deep behind enemy lines, etc. etc. etc... No I'm aware that the appropriate term is 'Marksman'. A designated marksman is just the guy in the squad who shoots with a scope on his gun to engage over (I think) 500 meters.

As for the Mosin, yea, that's the same justification I was going to use.

[Plunger]

For the accuracy question the easiest way to justify that ICly is the Mosin is WW2 surplus. Most guns don't shoot very well after 50 years of neglect in a Russian bunker.

And Spades the SVD was designed as what we now call a "designated marksman's rifle". It was always a specialists' weapon, it was never supposed to create "a literal army of snipers".

Well, when I say "snipers" I'm referring to what most people call snipers when they mean marksmen.

A true sniper usually works in a team of two, spends days getting to their objective, deep behind enemy lines, etc. etc. etc... No I'm aware that the appropriate term is 'Marksman'. A designated marksman is just the guy in the squad who shoots with a scope on his gun to engage over (I think) 500 meters.

As for the Mosin, yea, that's the same justification I was going to use.

Gee Spades, when did you take your tour of duty.

[Ragolution]

If I could chart the amount of stupid in this thread, it would be an exponential curve.

[Spades_Neil]

Eh, Rag's right. I got the info I needed. Mosin shall be low-mid tier.