What with so many of the mods suddenly having an onslaught of bright ideas, I'm going to take this moment to let you, the player, know what the hell is going on. I'm also going to use this thread to post/update rules changes OTHER MODS, including me, have proposed. This thread is not to discuss problems people have had with mods or disagreements- those are better done via PM. I am currently working with James and Vels to make the rules they are proposing less restrictive, and less of a bother. I am also working on rules of my own- some of which may or may not be well-received.
This thread is constantly updated as our changes continue.
WHAT IS TRYING TO BE DONE
A full reboot, causing Caphori to be less of an OP playground with aimless and pointless time wasted in RP plots that will go nowhere, etc etc etc. Basically, starting from Square 1 with modified (heavily) rules.
PROPOSED RULES
-Immortality/Immunity to most damage becomes a bannable offense, after attempts to negotiate are made.
-Character Profiles are a necessity. (Working with Vels to reduce requirements for Character Profiles)
-No Gods/Deities RP'd as characters.
-1 HM item limit per character, regardless of past gifts.
-Faction districts (IMO, I'm hoping this doesn't happen.)
-Enforced building limit, unless given express permission due to building skill.
-1 Non-item RP power per character maximum, unless character receives permission to add another power due to excellent roleplay (This 1 power can be an immunity to one type of damage, a spell Terraria does not support, etc. Requires a mod to appraise power or ability proposed, and give permission before use.)
-Anti-Item-Whoring policy. Players will be asked to not pick up multiple copies of items they already have- this includes breaking heart crystals when HP is already 400, raiding chests when contents are what the player has already, etc. If an item in a chest has better prefix than an otherwise identical item they already have, players will be asked to replace- not simply loot.
PROPOSED CHANGES
-New Map (I think someone's gonna go in with TEdit and add stuff before we go to it, if at all, though.)
-New world Lore (Working on it)
-Forced New Character policy for map transfer
-Server Shop no longer sells items for cash only- most single-drop weapons/armor require IC expenses that should be RP'ed. (Working on it)
-Merged Rules threads, fewer stickied threads.
-Cleaned up Factions
-An end to this fucking insanity that is five people with ping-pong ideas.
We are NOT trying to fuck you, the player, over. ALL of these changes and rules will have polls, and you will be given the opportunity to remove any detrimental problems these rules could inflict- but more than half the mods are unhappy with one or more aspects of Caphori as it is, and as far as we know, players have echoed those concerns. If you have questions or complaints about these rules and changes, THIS IS THE THREAD TO DO IT IN. Your answer will be given prompt response by me, if no one else, via message modification (meaning we'll edit your post to add out answers), to keep post count low.
I'm new but I like almost all of the proposed rules so I'm only going to ask a couple questions and hopefully see what you guys are talking about.
1) Roughly (with understanding of the variable discussion/implementation/lore creation time) how long are we talking until the server resets? No idea. -Kami
2) Need a clarification on the Immunity/Immortality ban. Is this in a character background sense (ie, I'm a vampire so I'm immortal) or in a "The person never turned PvP on and isn't cooperating" sense for roleplay? Negotiate with who, the admin talking to the player or the players interacting between themselves for roleplay? Age-based immortality won't be affected. The issue is 'I can't die ever' immortality.
That's it for now. :)
Quote from: Yiphyin on 12-06-2012
I'm new but I like almost all of the proposed rules so I'm only going to ask a couple questions and hopefully see what you guys are talking about.
1) Roughly (with understanding of the variable discussion/implementation/lore creation time) how long are we talking until the server resets?
2) Need a clarification on the Immunity/Immortality ban. Is this in a character background sense (ie, I'm a vampire so I'm immortal) or in a "The person never turned PvP on and isn't cooperating" sense for roleplay? Negotiate with who, the admin talking to the player or the players interacting between themselves for roleplay?
That's it for now. :)
I believe it's more of the "I'm a vampire and so i'm immortal" I'm only guessing that as a few people have been rping vampires a lots of other things like that.
I'm all for it as long as us Mods also have to abide by these rules (Ideally? Yes, for RP purposes. Don't expect me to use a wooden hammer when I'm building something like a bridge or an event area, though.). I'm tired of seeing players stuck with Iron gear while mods run around with Hamdraxes and Mythril armor like it's no big deal. (Hopefully, with the newly-written Server Shop, iron-only will no longer be a problem.)
Quote from: Kamimaia on 11-06-2012
A full reboot, causing Caphori to be less of an OP playground with aimless and pointless time wasted in RP plots that will go nowhere, etc etc etc. Basically, starting from Square 1 with modified (heavily) rules.
Sounds good, but a few things:
Quote from: Kamimaia on 11-06-2012
-1 HM item limit per character, regardless of past gifts.
I don't quite get it, so I can't use my Cobalt Armor? Or is it only weapons? Because it makes no sense to me. Okay, so my inventory: Fairy Bell, Cobalt Sword, full Cobalt armor, Cobalt Naginata. Irdc about the Mythril halberd, as I don't use it much, but you're saying I can only pick ONE of these things? -If it passes, yes. Well then.
Quote from: Kamimaia on 11-06-2012
-Forced New Character policy for map transfer
Wow, really? Not trying to bitch here, but that's the third time this has happened, and I'm getting sick of mining to get crap stuff over and over again. Not to mention having 5+ cleared characters on SP under my belt, it's just annoying and cumbersome to do it ALL OVER AGAIN. -Then vote against it when it pops up. I will be.
Quote from: Kamimaia on 11-06-2012
-1 Non-item RP power per character maximum, unless character receives permission to add another power due to excellent roleplay (This 1 power can be an immunity to one type of damage, a spell Terraria does not support, etc. Requires a mod to appraise power or ability proposed, and give permission before use.)
Okay, this confuses me. So if you RP good and nice, you get special powers? As in IC, PvP powers? -Doesn't need to be PVP. Some abilities can and should be non-combat related. 'Good and nice' relates to: Not ignoring viable RP, creating or contributing to storylines, typing in a clear manner, etc. Oh, got it.
Quote from: Kamimaia on 11-06-2012
-New Map (I think someone's gonna go in with TEdit and add stuff before we go to it, if at all, though.)
Will my powers be transferred over -Depends.? As in Snow-Biome owning powers -That'll be a negative, unless you do something like make one underground, or turn a floating isle into snow, or create an isle of snow yourself. The idea of full ownership of a biome by a single person is ridiculous. Yes, it is, but in my defense, the biome wasn't all that big :3 it was only two or three screens long, and public. I will be making an isle.
These are just a few things I would like to clarify. If you have the time, Kami, please reply with your fancy red text.
Thanks for replying.
Quote from: Kamimaia on 11-06-2012
-Forced New Character policy for map transfer
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Wow, really? Not trying to bitch here, but that's the third time this has happened, and I'm getting sick of mining to get crap stuff over and over again. Not to mention having 5+ cleared characters on SP under my belt, it's just annoying and cumbersome to do it ALL OVER AGAIN. -Then vote against it when it pops up.
I'm pretty certain we didn't force a full character wipe during the first map transfer and, unless this was done TWICE during the time I was gone (which I sort of doubt), then I don't see how it could have happened that often.
A character wipe is not as big a deal as people thing. Items and equipment CAN be obtained again and, if it's to help use make the server better and help the roleplayers on the server improve, a little mining isn't going to hurt you.
Besides: It's a game. Even on an rp server, it's meant to be played.
But, I do side with Kami. If you don't agree with it, there will be a poll you can vote in so that we can take
everyone's opinion into account.
Quote from: Velspera on 12-06-2012
I'm pretty certain we didn't force a full character wipe during the first map transfer and, unless this was done TWICE during the time I was gone (which I sort of doubt), then I don't see how it could have happened that often.
Nope, since you've been gone there has not been a single character wipe of any discription.
Also referring to the statement that Mods go around with hamdraxes and such, we use that to moderate, we get nothing from having better items other than the ability to control situations faster and better.
I have some issues with this wipe chars and mine all your stuff again idea. For one if everyone starts again the map is going to get completerly fucked in about 6 hours of people franticaly mining before everything dissappears (This was the problem i had when i joined a year ago. All ore was gone and so was stone really). Everyone mining will spoil the landscape even worse than the current maps landscape is. Basically we will be having a few new maps in a matter of weeks or so, either that or mods are going to get pissed off really quickly repairing everything and spawning more ores.
Quote from: Velspera on 12-06-2012
Quote from: Kamimaia on 11-06-2012
-Forced New Character policy for map transfer
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Wow, really? Not trying to bitch here, but that's the third time this has happened, and I'm getting sick of mining to get crap stuff over and over again. Not to mention having 5+ cleared characters on SP under my belt, it's just annoying and cumbersome to do it ALL OVER AGAIN. -Then vote against it when it pops up.
I'm pretty certain we didn't force a full character wipe during the first map transfer and, unless this was done TWICE during the time I was gone (which I sort of doubt), then I don't see how it could have happened that often.
A character wipe is not as big a deal as people thing. Items and equipment CAN be obtained again and, if it's to help use make the server better and help the roleplayers on the server improve, a little mining isn't going to hurt you.
Besides: It's a game. Even on an rp server, it's meant to be played.
But, I do side with Kami. If you don't agree with it, there will be a poll you can vote in so that we can take everyone's opinion into account.
Yes, but it does get annoying when you play the normal game on a regular basis. I come on to RP and make the place better for everyone. Also, I've been gone since I was banned, until late last year. I played when I got here on a new char, making the count 1. Then I made an alt, making the count 2. And the first time I was here makes it 3.
And I play SP quite often, and play on other servers as well. It gets old. But then again, I sound like I'm bitching, and I'm sorry for that.
Quote from: INA7HAN on 13-06-2012
I have some issues with this wipe chars and mine all your stuff again idea. For one if everyone starts again the map is going to get completerly fucked in about 6 hours of people franticaly mining before everything dissappears (This was the problem i had when i joined a year ago. All ore was gone and so was stone really). Everyone mining will spoil the landscape even worse than the current maps landscape is. Basically we will be having a few new maps in a matter of weeks or so, either that or mods are going to get pissed off really quickly repairing everything and spawning more ores.
I agree completely. Not about the ore/etc being gone, but the map looking like crap because of it. It really will murder the map and the map's underground.
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Quote from: Velspera on 12-06-2012
I'm pretty certain we didn't force a full character wipe during the first map transfer and, unless this was done TWICE during the time I was gone (which I sort of doubt), then I don't see how it could have happened that often.
Nope, since you've been gone there has not been a single character wipe of any discription.
Also referring to the statement that Mods go around with hamdraxes and such, we use that to moderate, we get nothing from having better items other than the ability to control situations faster and better.
I agree with this. If you're jealous that you can't use it to RP(directed at members), then have fun being OP and getting banned for bringing in/being OP. The only reason they use these things is to build creations that we can RP in or on, to improve
our experience. I know one thing though; if the one HM item thing passes, I'll be taking a long LoA.
Retarded question of idiotness'n'shit: Did we wipe already? Too lazy to look because of these papers I have to give to my boss.
-Nope, the wipe won't happen until we have made all the decisions and as a community discussed and finalised all of the concepts ~ JRParadox
Quote from: max0596 on 13-06-2012
Yes, but it does get annoying when you play the normal game on a regular basis. I come on to RP and make the place better for everyone. Also, I've been gone since I was banned, until late last year. I played when I got here on a new char, making the count 1. Then I made an alt, making the count 2. And the first time I was here makes it 3.
And I play SP quite often, and play on other servers as well. It gets old. But then again, I sound like I'm bitching, and I'm sorry for that.
What you do in SP or on other servers should have no bearing on what is done on this particular server as we have no control over what you or any of those other servers may do.
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I agree completely. Not about the ore/etc being gone, but the map looking like crap because of it. It really will murder the map and the map's underground.
Am I the only person that thinks this state of mind is one of the main issues we have in the first place?
Quote from: JRParadox on 13-06-2012
Nope, since you've been gone there has not been a single character wipe of any discription.
Also referring to the statement that Mods go around with hamdraxes and such, we use that to moderate, we get nothing from having better items other than the ability to control situations faster and better.
Other than building, how is having a hamdraxe going to help you control situations in any way?
If you're building or demolishing OOC, then use an OOC acct reserved specifically for that and keep your HM equipment strictly on that account. If it's an IC situation, then having OP equipment is a
personal preference and is entirely unnecessary.
Any admin should be fully capable of handling OOC situations with players breaking rules without the use of any specialized equipment whatsoever. That is why we have access to Console Commands through an account we can login to at any time.
Quote from: Velspera on 13-06-2012
Other than building, how is having a hamdraxe going to help you control situations in any way?
If you're building or demolishing OOC, then use an OOC acct reserved specifically for that and keep your HM equipment strictly on that account. If it's an IC situation, then having OP equipment is a personal preference and is entirely unnecessary.
Any admin should be fully capable of handling OOC situations with players breaking rules without the use of any specialized equipment whatsoever. That is why we have access to Console Commands through an account we can login to at any time.
That is the only time when I use my hamdrax, is to demolish buildings which need demolishing OOC, sadly I do not have a free character slot to make purely for OOC stuff but if we make that a rule that mods must have OOC accounts I will happily abide. I have
never used my hamdrax for anything other than OOC use, I believe that it is justifiable to have it on my characters if only used for OOC things but if you do believe that I should make an OOC account then please do say so.
Quote from: Crow793 on 12-06-2012
I'm tired of seeing players stuck with Iron gear while mods run around with Hamdraxes and Mythril armor like it's no big deal.
...Even though you have adamantite?
Also, where have you been D:
Sounds interesting, but I'll need to work had until have my potions again.
Yes, I'll still be an alchemist.
You read good. Alchemist, not whorechemist.
People have been questioning what is meant by 'Forced new Character policy'. All it means is that Gear and HP/MP are reset. If you want to play the same character that you're playing now, that's fine- so long as they're tweaked to all the new rules, IF or WHEN they pass.
Alright, I have had problems with my DNS for the last week or so, but i'm trying to make this as clear as possible.
I want to get rid of the Caphori Lore, and Start from Scratch.
for Caphori to be a bit more normal.
Immortality is... acceptable. But Immortality as in "able to live forever, but still die from certain things."
Like a knife wound to the gut.
Forced districts, I don't like the sound of. But I'd like there to be set Cities/Towns/Villages, instead of houses all over the landscape.
also as I have Said before. A Full Set of HM Armor still counts as 1 item.
I Will try to continue to fix up this mess "if my pc/internet stops being an Asshole. Pest.
Also, screw the forced character stuff. HP/MP doesn't matter. but you should get rid of all items except for 5 Regular items you like/1HM item.
Feel free to suggest things. Anything that fits the Idea of making Caphori feel more like a RP inclined server instead of being a HGN Laughingstock.
Quote from: James Almasy on 13-06-2012
HGN Laughingstock.
Is that what this is about? Fuck that. We don't need to seek their approval.
We are improving ourselves for ourselves, not the rest of HGN.
Quote from: VonXeno on 13-06-2012
Quote from: James Almasy on 13-06-2012
HGN Laughingstock.
Is that what this is about? Fuck that. We don't need to seek their approval.
We are improving ourselves for ourselves, not the rest of HGN.
Keep telling yourself that.
That's uncalled for. The lot of you, can we NOT degrade this into a shitfest of flaming and trolling? It would be nice, considering this is meant to be an adult discussion of the new rule propositions and NOT high school? -Kami
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Quote from: James Almasy on 13-06-2012
HGN Laughingstock.
Is that what this is about? Fuck that. We don't need to seek their approval.
We are improving ourselves for ourselves, not the rest of HGN.
Keep telling yourself that.
That's uncalled for. The lot of you, can we NOT degrade this into a shitfest of flaming and trolling? It would be nice, considering this is meant to be an adult discussion of the new rule propositions and NOT high school? -Kami
I don't see any point in arguing with them. They've been doing this for about a year now and our fussing at their flaming isn't going to make them stop because either they like prodding the members of the community that don't know how to spot flaming and ignore it, it makes them feel better, or they'd rather we continue mucking around so the other areas of HGN continue to look that much better.
Whatever the reason, they're not helping so I'd rather just continue pretending they don't exist unless they have something constructive to say and I suggest everyone else do the same.
We should just focus on Caphori right now.
Quote from: Velspera on 14-06-2012
We should just focus on Caphori right now.
Thank you, Vels.
Also, In all Seriousness. We are trying to make Caphori better.
Banter aside, should we consider making character sheets now if the "force new character" rule gets passed?
Quote from: Khyris on 15-06-2012
Banter aside, should we consider making character sheets now if the "force new character" rule gets passed?
This character sheet thing seems rather excessive.
If I wanted to play D&D, nWoD or something I would go do that.
Quote from: Ragolution on 15-06-2012
Quote from: Khyris on 15-06-2012
Banter aside, should we consider making character sheets now if the "force new character" rule gets passed?
This character sheet thing seems rather excessive.
If I wanted to play D&D, nWoD or something I would go do that.
Character sheets were proposed to keep tabs on OP equipment and to help players realize that, realistically, their character can't just pick up every weapon that falls from the sky and wield it like an expert.
Also, it's especially important since everyone seems so hesitant to allow the map to transition into Hardmode.
What their character does, what race their playing, their alignment, backstory happens to be...that stuff used to be important when we were more intent on creating specific character classes, races, and other such things. But, since we've scrapped those things divulging that information is something that should be done IC. Still: there are players out there that do like to write up character histories and include them because it's just what they do.
The higher level equipment they do decide to obtain and equip, however, is.
We're not asking them to divvy up karma points into FASE RIP stats or pick powers and talents from a list or roll dice. We just want to know whether we should expect to see them in a set of flaming armor at some point and help them understand that their character can't be "the absolute best at everything ever done".
Quote from: Velspera on 15-06-2012
We're not asking them to divvy up karma points into FASE RIP stats or pick powers and talents from a list or roll dice. We just want to know whether we should expect to see them in a set of flaming armor at some point and help them understand that their character can't be "the absolute best at everything ever done".
Aw.
Back on topic. . .
Faction districts. . . TERRIBLE idea. From what I understand, how that will work is Faction A will get a section of the map, Faction B will get a section of the map, and Faction C will get a section of the map, Anything in between will be "No build neutral zones" Which would suck terribly. If we are aiming to regulate people building things, we should find another way. -I agree. Simply enforcing building limits should be enough. -Kami
I disagree with the character profiles, I don't understand the purpose that is served there. -It is so mods can see, at a glance, whether a character is OP or not. However, I believe it takes some of the mystery out of the hands of the player and removes a lot of fun- not to mention the time it takes to compose a profile, which some would rather not do. If it *IS* implemented, I think it should still be reduced from what it is already reduced to. -Kami
and the 1 HM item thing I said I agree'd to it in the "POLL" thread, but I'm not entirely sure about what its greater importance is. -It effectively ensures we don't have old members who are running around in full adamantite or full cobalt gear, OP to the gaze: Right now Nathan, Max and Garagan all have cobalt armor- removes the attraction and differences between them. One HM item per character makes people think what one item could define who/what their character is. -Kami
The "Anti Gear whore" rule is another thing I'm curious about. It would be great, so long as it makes sense/is executed correctly or whatever. Basically, as I check chests and whatnot, I'll see who has more than one band of regen (or any other equip item) and such (such as three stacks of iron ore they'll never use, etc)- if its a first offense, I'll take the weakest of the bunch and toss it in an underground chest somewhere (Unless its a material-type item, in which case I'll ask them what they're planning to do with it). If its the second time, I'll inform the player of the rule and then repeat step one. The more often an individual player does it, the further I'll take action. It'll keep people from raiding chests underground for items they don't need, mining out any and all ore they find just because, breaking heart crystals when they have 400 hp etc. In my experience, when a player intends to hand out the items to newbs, they either A: never do or B: aren't allowed to, as giving a player only one day old a sunfury isn't something I endorse.
Quote from: Tom on 15-06-2012
and the 1 HM item thing I said I agree'd to it in the "POLL" thread, but I'm not entirely sure about what its greater importance is. -It effectively ensures we don't have old members who are running around in full adamantite or full cobalt gear, OP to the gaze: Right now Nathan, Max and Garagan all have cobalt armor- removes the attraction and differences between them. One HM item per character makes people think what one item could define who/what their character is. -Kami
Only quarrel I have about this is saying that me and the others who have full Cobalt are the same. Gara's a demon and wears his all the time, Nathan is...generic to say the least and wears his as actual equip(you can see it) and I wear Familiar everything. It really evens it in PvP because, go ahead and quote this- I can't PvP in Terraria for ****. People with gold stuff could kill me most of the time. I think people know what one item defines Rukino; Ice Rod. I use the armor and weapons for strictly RP use or having fun Battle Royaling with Zub and the gang XD and I still lose in that. And since you know, a Cobalt/Mythril Sword isn't as strong as a Night's Edge, it makes no sense to say it's OP. Everyone still runs around in Molten, and here's a comparison;
Cobalt(w/Helm) Molten
DEF 26 25
SET +15% Melee SPD +17% Melee DMG
STOCK
Cobalt Sword Night's Edge
DMG 35 42
SPD Fast Average
LEGENDARY
Cobalt Sword Night's Edge
DMG 39 56
SPD Fast Fast
In regards to the forced new character, I still think that's a pointless concept. People will just rush to get life crystals and good items the first few days, and there's nothing stopping people from changing their character's backstory in the event of a Lore reset. I will be very disappointed if a forced character restart is implemented.
Quote from: Crow793 on 16-06-2012
In regards to the forced new character, I still think that's a pointless concept. People will just rush to get life crystals and good items the first few days--
Keep in mind, Crow, that this is not directed specifically at you but a broad statement to the Caphori community as a whole. I'm not calling you, or anyone specific, out. I'm saying this because I've already seen 3 or so comments about players worrying about this exact same thing:
People here need to get it through their heads that the point of the forced character restart is not to start a fucking mining rush. It's to place characters on an even plane and encourage new roleplay without these constant worries over who is OP and who is not OP. The more people understand this, the better we will be IF the forced character restart is actually put in place.
The fact that there are people who have even said on the board that going straight into mining would be the first thing they would do makes
me feel really disappointed in the players if they don't understand why we're proposing the idea in the first place.
Yeah, I understand that mining and fighting monsters is fun. It's Terraria. It's supposed to be fun and even the admins have moments where they just want to run around like idiots and chat.
However, that is not why this server was started.
This is not a PVP or free-build server. It's a roleplay server. ROLEPLAY should everyone's main drive whenever they log on, not getting the best armor.
And I'm certainly not sorry for saying this, but if that IS anyone's main goal then
maybe they don't need to be here.
Or, at the very least, they should ask themselves why the hell they decided to join Caphori in the first place.
Quote from: Crow793 on 16-06-2012
--and there's nothing stopping people from changing their character's backstory in the event of a Lore reset.
In direct response to
this, however:
So what? I don't see how starting a new character with new history to suit the primary lore on the server is a BAD thing.
New Lore means entirely NEW Caphori
that has no ties whatsoever to whatever happened before. A brand new character would suit the Lore better than taking an old one what was based in old Caphori, dropping them in, and just hoping they fit.
Quote from: Tom on 15-06-2012
Back on topic. . .
Faction districts. . . TERRIBLE idea. From what I understand, how that will work is Faction A will get a section of the map, Faction B will get a section of the map, and Faction C will get a section of the map, Anything in between will be "No build neutral zones" Which would suck terribly. If we are aiming to regulate people building things, we should find another way. -I agree. Simply enforcing building limits should be enough. -Kami
I suggested them because a few people mentioned having specific areas reserved for towns and wilderness instead of having buildings randomly scattered all over the map. With building limits alone: Sure the buildings will be smaller, but they will still be EVERYWHERE and the map will still eventually turn out to look as cluttered and discombobulated as it does now.
It has nothing to do with minor factions like Warrior Guilds and Merchant Guilds but everything to do with major factions such as opposing kingdoms with separate agendas.
Quote from: Tom on 15-06-2012
I disagree with the character profiles, I don't understand the purpose that is served there. -It is so mods can see, at a glance, whether a character is OP or not. However, I believe it takes some of the mystery out of the hands of the player and removes a lot of fun- not to mention the time it takes to compose a profile, which some would rather not do. If it *IS* implemented, I think it should still be reduced from what it is already reduced to. -Kami
If that's the case, why not just bring back the auths roster, start it up from scratch, and add more items that we think need to be kept track of? Now that I think about it, the character sheet was more important when we were concerned about defined character classes.
Quote from: Velspera on 16-06-2012
And I'm certainly not sorry for saying this, but if that IS anyone's main goal then maybe they don't need to be here.
Or, at the very least, they should ask themselves why the hell they decided to join Caphori in the first place.
Quote from: Crow793 on 16-06-2012
--and there's nothing stopping people from changing their character's backstory in the event of a Lore reset.
In direct response to this, however:
So what? I don't see how starting a new character with new history to suit the primary lore on the server is a BAD thing.
New Lore means entirely NEW Caphori that has no ties whatsoever to whatever happened before. A brand new character would suit the Lore better than taking an old one what was based in old Caphori, dropping them in, and just hoping they fit.
Well also realize that many of Caphori's players are nobs, and just want to roleplay the best character with the best gear. I'd be all for it if we had a community that would actually abide by these restrictions. I'm also looking at my fellow mods, who hoard high-tier armor "Just because they're mods".
And you misunderstood what I meant about the backstory thing. I mean there's no point in forcing new characters, when people can just take their existing characters, and alter the backstory to fit with current lore, rather than disallow existing characters just because they were part of old Caphori. -As has already been stated, 'Forced new characters' refers to health/mana/items only- not characters. You're arguing a nonexistant point. -Kami
I think you all may be misunderstanding what people mean by "OP characters".
Quote from: Tom on 16-06-2012
I think you all may be misunderstanding what people mean by "OP characters".
I know what it means.
But, there is definitely a problem in Terraria RP where people who have OP equipment immediately think that gives them the right to have an OP character in RP as well.
If someone has a Night's Edge, Full Molten Gear, and the best accessories they can get their hands on and runs into another player that has full silver armor, a silver sword, and an enchanted boomerang, there's a high chance that person in Molten is going to think that they can RP whatever they want in an altercation with the other person just because they have a better chance at beating them into the ground if it evolves into a PVP battle.
And, people who START OFF with OP characters will likely want to go out and get the best gear in the game immediately anyway.
Quote from: Crow793 on 16-06-2012
Quote from: Velspera on 16-06-2012
And I'm certainly not sorry for saying this, but if that IS anyone's main goal then maybe they don't need to be here.
Or, at the very least, they should ask themselves why the hell they decided to join Caphori in the first place.
Quote from: Crow793 on 16-06-2012
--and there's nothing stopping people from changing their character's backstory in the event of a Lore reset.
In direct response to this, however:
So what? I don't see how starting a new character with new history to suit the primary lore on the server is a BAD thing.
New Lore means entirely NEW Caphori that has no ties whatsoever to whatever happened before. A brand new character would suit the Lore better than taking an old one what was based in old Caphori, dropping them in, and just hoping they fit.
Well also realize that many of Caphori's players are nobs, and just want to roleplay the best character with the best gear. I'd be all for it if we had a community that would actually abide by these restrictions. I'm also looking at my fellow mods, who hoard high-tier armor "Just because they're mods".
And you misunderstood what I meant about the backstory thing. I mean there's no point in forcing new characters, when people can just take their existing characters, and alter the backstory to fit with current lore, rather than disallow existing characters just because they were part of old Caphori. -As has already been stated, 'Forced new characters' refers to health/mana/items only- not characters. You're arguing a nonexistant point. -Kami
On noobs: New players agree to follow the rules when they apply. If they can't follow the restrictions, that counts as not following the rules and they'll be held to it. I love helping new players learn how to RP and make good characters, but I also want them to understand that best gear doesn't necessarily equal best character.
On OP mods: I've agreed wholeheartedly.
On Character Reset: What Kami said.
Suggestion-
Making a Mineshaft that is restocked with (ore type) every week or so?
that way, there isn't as bad of a shortage of ores for the new players
Quote from: James Almasy on 16-06-2012
Suggestion-
Making a Mineshaft that is restocked with (ore type) every week or so?
that way, there isn't as bad of a shortage of ores for the new players
Have one mineshaft in the area where nothing is built so that is completely neutral and so that anyone can visit it, I'll happily take charge with this and run it
There's already a rather large hole in the corruption that can suit this purpose marvelously, if you feel particularly dickish.
Also: There will be a system set in place to discourage OP playing, and encourage better play overall, using the Fates and RPRating.
I think that all these ideas for a new world are great and maybe need some tweaking here and there. The one rule I completely agree with is the 1 HM item. Sure some people may want a sword, gear, and like a fairy bell, but soon that will turn from cobalt to adamantite. So really I'm sure later on things like this will change, but really I'm just happy to see this whole all mods are gods thing being dealt with. It got to a point where I had to rage quit because of the ludicrousness of what was happening on the server.
There are certain HM items that don't really give you any op strengths like the fairy bell. If you have time could you tell me if those will count as your 1 HM item. Sounds reasonable enough to me.
Quote from: Crow793 on 16-06-2012
-As has already been stated, 'Forced new characters' refers to health/mana/items only- not characters. You're arguing a nonexistant point. -Kami
First, I'd appreciate if you just reply. Responding by editing my post doesn't get me any sign of response through emails or otherwise.
Second, what is resetting people's health/mana/items going to accomplish? I mean, honestly? People are just going to say "Oh, I'm weak. Better get some health crystals and farm some shooting stars."
And I know you say that's not the point, but face it.
That's what people are going to do. I really feel like this can be avoided by just letting people keep their maxed out characters, or at the very least, their health and mana (But force them to get rid of their equipment.). Avoid the threat of tunnel raiding of items.
(What 'prices' people pay in the Server Shop will be affected positively or negatively by the quality of RP that player gives, and what equipment they have/use, as well as their health totals. Other things that will be affected include certain 'random events' I will be spreading underground, to spice things up. Other things that affect the Shop and Events that occur include: Whether they are actively mining, or RP'ing, whether they mine constantly or barely at all, whether they mine in groups or solo, etc etc etc. Its a little system called RPR (RolePlayRating), and it works. A thread will be posted on it come friday. Side note: Stop talking as if the lot of us are children. It does nothing to help our judgment of your opinions. -Kami)
Quote from: Crow793 on 17-06-2012
(What 'prices' people pay in the Server Shop will be affected positively or negatively by the quality of RP that player gives, and what equipment they have/use, as well as their health totals. Other things that will be affected include certain 'random events' I will be spreading underground, to spice things up. Other things that affect the Shop and Events that occur include: Whether they are actively mining, or RP'ing, whether they mine constantly or barely at all, whether they mine in groups or solo, etc etc etc. Its a little system called RPR (RolePlayRating), and it works. A thread will be posted on it come friday. Side note: Stop talking as if the lot of us are children. It does nothing to help our judgment of your opinions. -Kami)
I'm not talking as if you're children. I'm merely speaking as to what I've observed being a member of Caphori since the first server. And frankly if anybody is acting childish, it's the way you're responding to my harmless suggestions, as well as ignoring my request to reply instead of edit my posts. I'll have no way of knowing when you reply when you do this. (This is a better option than padding posts with quotes before answers, or solely answers with no real way to attribute it to questions asked. If a simple refusal to do as you ask is childish, then you must be forever surrounded by children. Also, you are; your word choice in many of your recent posts give off the air that you have a sense of entitlement over all of us- and I, for one, do not appreciate it.)
BACK ON TOPIC:
Consideration: Making the '1 HM item' rule apply to each CATEGORY of HM item, rather than 1 HM item period.
CURRENT HM ITEM RULE: You may have only 1 HM item at all, armor sets count as 1 item.
PROPOSED CHANGE: You may have 1 HM armor PIECE (Not a full set), 1 HM accessory, and 1 HM weapon/activated item (fairy bell included).
Legit question. IF old characters are allowed to be recycled, would supplies be allowed to come along? *dont care about armor, sold them and have plans to pitch the nightsedge*
Quote from: Minion on 17-06-2012
Legit question. IF old characters are allowed to be recycled, would supplies be allowed to come along? *dont care about armor, sold them and have plans to pitch the nights edge*
if you mean stuff like dirt,sand,wood, and stone. maybe.
If this were simply a roleplaying server that didn't depend on basic look that you wish your character to have then this wouldn't apply, but it is. Some if not a great many use armor not just as a tool, but as a fashion and I can see only being allowed one HM armor piece to go poorly. You could allow people to use a full set and have them put it in their fashion slots, which give no bonus stats; but that would require you to trust them to be honest and not lie about it. Since there isn't any good way to see whether they put it on as a fashion or not this would probably be a very risky and hard thing to allow people to do. Because one second they could have iron armor and the next they could have adamatite armor and simply say its a fashion item.
My proposal is that you allow people to have a full HM armor set and the choice to have two accessory/weapon/item. (Can not have two of one category)
The switch of putting accessory in the same section of weapon and item is because for some people none of the HM accessories are really worth while for their character and would rather have a weapon and a item. (Like a fairy bell) For me personally I don't care about having fancy armor, but would much rather have a magic staff of some sort and a item like a fairy bell then have a accessory.
Why does this HM armor limitation exist, exactly? I know I haven't been on the server all that long (nor am I all that active) but it seems to me combat is almost never resolved in actual PVP shootouts. Rather people use /me and rolls and what not so armor and items are basically cosmetic only. The only thing the high end armor and weapons allow for is beating the shit out of NPCs easily but why would that be a problem? It's not unbalanced in PVP combat so long as people aren't idiots and go "I have [insert HM epic sword here] and you just have an iron sword therefore I win" which would be very easy to police.
Quote from: Crow793 on 17-06-2012
And I know you say that's not the point, but face it. That's what people are going to do. I really feel like this can be avoided by just letting people keep their maxed out characters, or at the very least, their health and mana (But force them to get rid of their equipment.). Avoid the threat of tunnel raiding of items.
Your suggestion only magnifies the problem further. Sure, they won't be farming for heart crystals or fallen stars, but that will STILL start a mining war on regular and gold chests, ores, and other materials they'd need for armor, weapons, etc.
Only it COULD be considerably worse because they'd have higher health that allows them to mine MORE materials faster without having to worry about dying as often as a completely new character would have to.
But, to be very honest: Starting new characters probably has nothing to do with whether or not the map will suffer a mining rush anyway.
Why?
Quote from: Crow793 on 17-06-2012
I'm not talking as if you're children. I'm merely speaking as to what I've observed being a member of Caphori since the first server. And frankly if anybody is acting childish, it's the way you're responding to my harmless suggestions, as well as ignoring my request to reply instead of edit my posts. I'll have no way of knowing when you reply when you do this.
Because you cannot legitimately say that you've witnessed ANYTHING that has to do with tunnel raiding after a full character reset on Caphori because
Caphori has never done a full character reset before.Caphori went through mining rushes in the past because new maps were implemented, not because there was a forced character reset. To Terraria players, new maps are like cold cans of soda.
When you open a new one it's crisp and new and freaking delicious. But, if you set that soda down for half an hour to do something else and come back later, you find that it's lukewarm and has lost its fizziness. Suddenly, it's gross. You don't want it anymore. You want a new one that's fresh and fizzy and cold just like when you opened it the first time. So, you pour the rest of the warm soda out and get a new one even though it's probably a waste.
Whether we forced a character reset or not, players would want to rush the map. And not just currently active players. Players that have applied to Caphori and played once or two or even not at all sometimes come back and notice on the forums "Holy crap, we have a new map".
A map with fresh resources and tons of open lands and a virgin dungeon. Suddenly, those old players want to come back and play again and mine and roleplay and the first thing they do is make a rush for resources.
If the server was merely confined to the players that are mostly active now, that we all recognize immediately when we log on, then
this would be a non-issue because there would be more than enough resources to accommodate.
But it's not. It's a huge server and you never know who is going to suddenly decide they want to come back or who is going to join because there are new players joining on new characters who will need brand new equipment ever day.
So: I'm sorry, but I'm disregarding this argument. It makes no sense.
What I truly believe is that people are arguing against the character reset because 1) they don't want to lose their character and 2) they don't want to lose their stuff and NOT because they're truly worried about whether or not the server is going to run out of resources and problem #1 is ALSO a non-issue because we're NOT forcing people to get rid of characters: Just stuff and stats.
Quote from: Paintcheck on 18-06-2012
Why does this HM armor limitation exist, exactly? I know I haven't been on the server all that long (nor am I all that active) but it seems to me combat is almost never resolved in actual PVP shootouts. Rather people use /me and rolls and what not so armor and items are basically cosmetic only. The only thing the high end armor and weapons allow for is beating the shit out of NPCs easily but why would that be a problem? It's not unbalanced in PVP combat so long as people aren't idiots and go "I have [insert HM epic sword here] and you just have an iron sword therefore I win" which would be very easy to police.
Easy to police, but it can still happen. Especially with players that may join and wind up roleplaying for the first time but are used to non-RP, PVP servers.
Also: There's really no point to having HM equipment since Caphori's not an HM server in the first place. If Caphori was allowed to advance into HM, it'd be a different story.
On the flip-side: It could also be because, previously, A LOT of conflicts on Caphori used to be resolved in PVP and not in RP because some players would bitch if they went into PVP and you refused to because you wanted to RP the fight to keep it fair.
But, I dunno. Maybe the rules will let up a little in the future.
Personally: I'd love to see Caphori advance into HM for good, even IF it is harder for new players, but I really think I'm the only mod with that opinion at this point.
Personally: I'd love to see Caphori advance into HM for good, even IF it is harder for new players, but I really think I'm the only mod with that opinion at this point.
I would also love to see the server be put in HM. A lot of good roleplayers have been stuck with the same equipment since hell version and its not like its bad gear, but it is very... boring when other people have new shiny stuff and wave it around a lot. If it was in HM summoning the new bosses would actually be something we could use in events, but at the moment no one with their none HM gear can even kill them. Without a shit load of planning and basically making an arena where you don't die and can continually deal damage to the boss.
Quote from: Velspera on 18-06-2012
Personally: I'd love to see Caphori advance into HM for good, even IF it is harder for new players, but I really think I'm the only mod with that opinion at this point.
You aren't alone there. I don't think keeping us in normal forever is exciting at all, and I really hope things lighten up regarding hardmode. Just keep limits on hardmode boss summon items, making souls difficult to collect.
Although, I really don't want to see drills or chainsaws on the server.
Quote from: VonXeno on 18-06-2012
Although, I really don't want to see drills or chainsaws on the server.
same here
The thing about hardmode is that there are no positives to it, all it does is make new players interrupted more often by dying from overpowered mobs and means that people will care more about gear. Also the hard mode items allow us to reward people for good RP as the old shop system is gone for good, now people will be rewarded/punished based on their quality of RP. I'm trying to keep hush hush about that for now as I think it is a mod only secret for now as we are just bringing it all together so no spoilers for now.
Basically hardmode is more useful for us turned off, this is until someone gives enough positives for it
Quote from: Crow793 on 17-06-2012
(This is a better option than padding posts with quotes before answers, or solely answers with no real way to attribute it to questions asked. If a simple refusal to do as you ask is childish, then you must be forever surrounded by children. Also, you are; your word choice in many of your recent posts give off the air that you have a sense of entitlement over all of us- and I, for one, do not appreciate it.)
Really? My 'word choice'? 'entitlement'? Everything I've said has only been based on observation. I'm not claiming to have entitlement over anybody. Also based on observation, the 'attitude' you claim to think I have is based only on your personal attitude of taking
everything in the wrong light. You've been this way since the beginning Kami, and that's why most of us didn't miss you. Do try to grow up, because the server will never work if you continue with this 'Iron Fist' crap.
Quote from: Crow793 on 18-06-2012
Quote from: Crow793 on 17-06-2012
(This is a better option than padding posts with quotes before answers, or solely answers with no real way to attribute it to questions asked. If a simple refusal to do as you ask is childish, then you must be forever surrounded by children. Also, you are; your word choice in many of your recent posts give off the air that you have a sense of entitlement over all of us- and I, for one, do not appreciate it.)
Really? My 'word choice'? 'entitlement'? Everything I've said has only been based on observation. I'm not claiming to have entitlement over anybody. Also based on observation, the 'attitude' you claim to think I have is based only on your personal attitude of taking everything in the wrong light. You've been this way since the beginning Kami, and that's why most of us didn't miss you. Do try to grow up, because the server will never work if you continue with this 'Iron Fist' crap.
Petty and useless bickering. Stop it.
I know both of you, and you're getting the wrong impressions of each other.
Kami, Crow is saying you should actually post instead of editing posts. I agree with him, quotes and answers are pretty much the most effective and clear response in a message board. The editing is really no better than Max typing in blue.
That's not what it is about VonXeno, first of all though I'm going to say that editing posts is the best way otherwise she would just end up having to spam these threads to replies to what people say or make a massive, threatening post which covers absolutely everything everyone says in clumps which once again spams and is not direct to whoever stated it. Also she is using the red not in the way which Max used it but instead to make it distinguishable what she says and what the original post says.
What is really happening here is that Kami used wording which Crow interpreted as a plain insult when in fact it was just her telling him to give more respect to the community (even if using the word childish was not really the best thing to say). Now their both being dickish so lets stfu about it and get back on track.
Any more e-drama and I'll have to actually take action.
Quote from: JRParadox on 18-06-2012
I'll have to actually take action.
*VonXeno pictures Hex, with guns. Many many guns.
Back on track then. Is there a time when the mods are able to talk about these changes in depth, together?
Because I'd like that.
Try avoid direct confrontations please.
On a personal note, this thread is to "clear things up.", I think it's done the contrary
Quote from: ThY on 18-06-2012
Try avoid direct confrontations please.
On a personal note, this thread is to "clear things up.", I think it's done the contrary
good work thy
Meh. I've said my opinions, now it's up to the higher-ups to do whatever they feel will work. I'm done arguing over pointless things.